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post #1531 of 4832
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Originally Posted by sirjonsnow View Post

Seems a lot of people missed it, watch it again -they showed the cheek bleeding first, but the cut went through his forehead and ended at his cheek.

I can't imagine Tyroin won't survive...then again, Ned Stark lost his head!
post #1532 of 4832
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

The Hound is a multifaceted fellow. Although he is a monster in many ways, his commitment to Sansa's safety has been moving, as has his fear of fire. Roy McCann has done a great job portraying the Hound's complex character.

and another character that on initial appearance it seemed was only there to exist on the periphery, but now appears to be moving center stage to become a more important figure as he escorts Sansa back North.

It was something brought up a few episodes back by Xaro that those who seem least important to events are likely to be in positions of power at some point.
post #1533 of 4832
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

I also caught that it was a Gold Cloak that did it to him, and though Cersi might have done this, but at the same time it might have been Joffrey...This would have been an easy kill for payback, with no trace of whom actually commanded the deed...

tyrion had the original leader of the cloaks sent to The Wall and replaced him with Bronn. Plenty of cloaks probably want Tyrion dead. Either personally or as a favor.
post #1534 of 4832
What an excellent episode. I watched it again this morning. I hope I'm not wrong, but I don't think Tyrion is dead. It was a pretty nasty gash though so who knows.

On a side note, I just happened to look and the season finale is running an hour and ten minutes. I can't wait to see the season finale so hopefully all our questions are answered.
post #1535 of 4832
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

I havn't read the books but this seemed like a huge letdown after all the buildup...the worst part was they kept cutting away from the battle every minute or so to show a LONG extended scene with Cersai sitting in that room with the other women...I swear they showed more of Cersai then they did the battle

there were some cool moments like when the wildfire exploded and you saw the wide shot of the ships burning and also when Tywin came charging in but overall this was a MAJOR letdown...the way that Tyrion and the Lannister's so easily dispatched of the ENTIRE fleet of ships was absolutely ridiculous...and then sneaking in the tunnels and coming back behind the soldiers was corny

I love the show but the way that Blackwater was hyped I was expecting EPIC and got average instead

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Originally Posted by MatteoMS View Post

Not sure what you were expecting exactly but it vastly exceeded my expectations considering the budget restraints. Even without factoring in budget issues I thought it was an awesome episode.

Yes Matteo, it is pretty funny the "entitlement" attitude so many viewers seem to have these days when it come to TV. They expect Blockbuster Movie depth, execution and production values on TV budgets . A lot of these entitlement babies should appreciate the good things and be thankful for what they get instead of always moaning about what they don't get. The producers went to bat for the viewers to secure extra funds from HBO to even do that ep as it was. Here's a good and enlightening Q&A with the producers prior to last night's ep, covering how it transpired and the decisions/compromises they had to make to bring it off:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/05/20/ga...ageID=20470532


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post #1536 of 4832
Concerning who cut Tyrion:

I thought it was one of the king's guard--the one Joffrey ordered to fight for him...which I assume is the one that beat Sansa, and Tyrion threatened in the throne room?
post #1537 of 4832
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Originally Posted by JediMastr View Post

Concerning who cut Tyrion:

I thought it was one of the king's guard--the one Joffrey ordered to fight for him...which I assume is the one that beat Sansa, and Tyrion threatened in the throne room?

His helm was closed, but I think you're right. We probably find out next week (if they don't drop King's Landing altogether until next season ).
post #1538 of 4832
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Originally Posted by JediMastr View Post

the half-man survived, he was only cut across the face...unless he lost too much blood or something. Still, that had to hurt. And Tyrion has a squire worth his weight in gold.

He certainly does, and it was somewhat foreshadowed when asked whether he trusted him while getting dressed for battle, and he said "yes".
post #1539 of 4832
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Originally Posted by R11 View Post

Yes Matteo, it is pretty funny the "entitlement" attitude so many viewers seem to have these days when it come to TV. They expect Blockbuster Movie depth, execution and production values on TV budgets . A lot of these entitlement babies should appreciate the good things and be thankful for what they get instead of always moaning about what they don't get. The producers went to bat for the viewers to secure extra funds from HBO to even do that ep as it was. Here's a good and enlightening Q&A with the producers prior to last night's ep, covering how it transpired and the decisions/compromises they had to make to bring it off:

it has nothing to do with 'entitlement'...it has to do with the fact that HBO and the showrunners themsleves hyped this episode up to massive proportions...plus the fact that the entire season has pretty much been leading up to this point...I'm not saying the episode sucked or anything but I am saying that it didn't reach the 'epic' level I was expecting...maybe my expectations were too high

HBO already has blockbuster movie production values and execution with this show even before the Blackwater episode so this is not something new...the Jon Snow scenes filmed in Iceland have absolutely gorgeous cinematography

the thing that bothered me the most was the LONG extended scenes with Cersai that interrupted the battle almost every minute...I would have preferred to have seen more battle and less Cersai dialogue...I was also expecting some major deaths, which never happened (I don't believe Tyrion is dead)...I think Davos and his son were the only 'major' casulaties of Blackwater
post #1540 of 4832
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Originally Posted by JediMastr View Post

Concerning who cut Tyrion:

I thought it was one of the king's guard--the one Joffrey ordered to fight for him...which I assume is the one that beat Sansa, and Tyrion threatened in the throne room?

I think it was too which means Joffrey has some 'splainin to do.
post #1541 of 4832
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Spectacular fire FX this episode! The show must have been saving the entire budget for that sequence.

Which is a good thing because for the most part the battle appeared to be taking place between 20 men outside 10 feet of battlements. Pretty well executed for television however and copious amounts of rending and slicing.

The Hound had some surprisingly good character moments in between killing soldiers.

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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I agree with you on all counts. The sea battle, which ended with the ignition of the Wildfire was spectacular. It had about the best LFE I have ever heard on a TV show's soundtrack. My room shook. I also agree that the portrayal of the battle ashore was pretty cheesily done.

The Hound is a multifaceted fellow. Although he is a monster in many ways, his commitment to Sansa's safety has been moving, as has his fear of fire. Roy McCann has done a great job portraying the Hound's complex character.

I'll be replaying that Wildfire explosion several times over the next few days, I thought it was spectacular, my neighbors must have thought a bomb went off, great LFE workout!

Great scene when Tyrion looks back at the maker(don't recall his name) of the Wildfire, with a somewhat horrified look after seeing what looked like the Gates of Hell opening up before him, and the man smiles and laughs like a little kid, so proud of his creation, great stuff!
post #1542 of 4832
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Originally Posted by JediMastr View Post

the half-man survived, he was only cut across the face...unless he lost too much blood or something. Still, that had to hurt. And Tyrion has a squire worth his weight in gold.

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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

He certainly does, and it was somewhat foreshadowed when asked whether he trusted him while getting dressed for battle, and he said "yes".

I agree that, contrary to all expectations, Tyrion's squire, Podrick Payne, is turning out to be a hell of a soldier and Tyrion knows it. Podrick is young, not very big, and inarticulate to the point of muteness, but he can fight, and does.
post #1543 of 4832
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

maybe my expectations were too high

Yep. This is a TV SHOW, not a $250 million movie.

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the Jon Snow scenes filmed in Iceland have absolutely gorgeous cinematography

You shouldn't confuse cinematography with production values.

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the thing that bothered me the most was the LONG extended scenes with Cersai

Ok, so you like battle scenes, and don't like Cersei. I thought the balance was fine.
post #1544 of 4832
Did anyone else notice Neil Marshall directed last night's episode?

Will Tywin allow Joffrey to still sit on the throne?

Did The Hound pull off the biggest wimp-out of all time?

What will Tywin do about Tyroin's girly?

Questions, questions.....
post #1545 of 4832
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Did anyone else notice Neil Marshall directed last night's episode?

Will Tywin allow Joffrey to still sit on the throne?

Did The Hound pull off the biggest wimp-out of all time?

What will Tywin do about Tyroin's girly?

Questions, questions.....

Joffrey seems more pathetic and ridiculous than ever. The "half man" showed more leadership and fighting ability than he ever has, and it was all out there for everyone to see. I don't think of the Hound as wimping out so much as growing tired of the Lannister bullsh!t.
post #1546 of 4832
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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

Yep. This is a TV SHOW, not a $250 million movie.

You shouldn't confuse cinematography with production values

No, this is not a TV show...this is an HBO original series...huge difference...Law and Order and CSI are TV shows...if you watch HBO on a regular basis you would know that...watch Boardwalk Empire, the late great Rome, Band of Brothers, The Pacific etc...HBO's budget and production values are normally much higher then your typical TV show (even your typical cable TV show)

so again I expect this when watching Game of Thrones...pretty much everything they have shown so far this year from the deserts of Qarth, to the forests with Bran, the snowy mountains beyond the Wall etc all have lavish production values...so yes I was expecting HBO to reach higher then they normally do with Blackwater...and except for the initial wildfire scene this looked like a 'normal' episode of GoT...I'm not sure how it was in the book but the entire battle also took place at night to save some $$
post #1547 of 4832
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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

Joffrey seems more pathetic and ridiculous than ever. The "half man" showed more leadership and fighting ability than he ever has, and it was all out there for everyone to see. I don't think of the Hound as wimping out so much as growing tired of the Lannister bullsh!t.

The Hound got freaked out by the fire. It was revealed last season that his brother, the Mountain, held his face in a fire. Sure he was fed up with the Lannisters, but watch closely to his reaction everytime he gets close to a flame...and fighting burning men...that was the match that burned his bridges. He was out of there.
post #1548 of 4832
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

No, this is not a TV show...this is an HBO original series

Right, an HBO original TV series. Tell me, what do you think the budget was for this one episode? You think it compares with the budget for a major theatrical release?
post #1549 of 4832
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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

Right, an HBO original TV series. Tell me, what do you think the budget was for this one episode? You think it compares with the budget for a major theatrical release?

the only person comparing it to a theatrical release is you...I never said that GoT had the same budget as Lord of the Rings...the budget for a non-Blackwater episode of GoT is much higher then your average TV show was my point...and you still don't seem to get the point that HBO is not 'normal' TV...you do realize that there are no commercials during any of it's original programming right?
post #1550 of 4832
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

the only person comparing it to a theatrical release is you...

You said you were expecting the episode to be "epic". What you got was an episode with a (presumably quite expensive) big FX shot, and production values typical of the series, not of a movie. And this disappointed you somehow.
post #1551 of 4832
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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

You said you were expecting the episode to be "epic". What you got was an episode with a (presumably quite expensive) big FX shot, and production values typical of the series, not of a movie. And this disappointed you somehow.

Yes, epic within the scale of the show and HBO standards...not epic like a big budget Hollywood movie...so I guess your version of epic differs from mine...I already registered my complaints-- the show cut away too much for Cersai scenes and the battle seemed confined to a small space...besides the 'epic' wildfire scene I didn't find the rest of the episode to be so

I found last season's 9th episode 'Baelor' to be more epic then Blackwater
post #1552 of 4832
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

The Hound got freaked out by the fire. It was revealed last season that his brother, the Mountain, held his face in a fire. Sure he was fed up with the Lannisters, but watch closely to his reaction everytime he gets close to a flame...and fighting burning men...that was the match that burned his bridges. He was out of there.

Still....
He is there to kick-a$$ and chew bubble gum and when he went outside the wall, he should have been outta bubble gum.
post #1553 of 4832
hell production values on this ep good enuf for me. that battle scene was great and did not come off as cheaply done. just wish they had more stuff like this.

tyrion is severely wounded. he clearly was still alive after suffering the wound. i think he took more of a direct hit with the sword than appears after first viewing. i find it hard to believe they would kill off his character given his appeal, but they did, unambiguously, kill off ned last season, so if tyrion dies it should be clear.

not sure if the princess went with the hound, that was ambiguous, although she should certainly leave with him, she clearly lacks the wits of her sister.

tyron should be rewarding tyrion given that he was was the one that won the battle. can't see daddy punishing his son after such heroism, especially given the cowardice of cercei and joffroy. if anyone should be subject to the wrath of tyron..............

don't see how joffrey can survive as king. the people clearly have lost all respect for him and don't see how tyron thinks he can continue to control the iron throne under joffrey.
post #1554 of 4832
I have no idea what the Blackwater episode cost in relation to the other episodes, but GoT has to be an expensive and difficult series to produce and shoot, with the location shooting, the costumes, the many characters, the elaborate sets, and so on. I'm just happy to get what we get. I think that they are all doing a great job.
post #1555 of 4832
Wow, I totally missed the fact that it was a Gold Cloak that slashed Tyrion. Tyrion's smile to the attacker makes more sense now; he was totally caught off guard. That's so low that Tyrion's own people would try to kill him when he was the one who stepped up to the plate to lead the attack.
post #1556 of 4832
The sword that cut the Imp defied the law of physics. the imp received a cut that started above his left eye downward nicking his nose and cutting deep into his cheek. last I saw the imps face was not convexed. if it was an uppercut it would be more believable. of coarse who gonna watch that scene five times.

I think he will live.
post #1557 of 4832
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

I'll be replaying that Wildfire explosion several times over the next few days, I thought it was spectacular, my neighbors must have thought a bomb went off, great LFE workout!

Great scene when Tyrion looks back at the maker(don't recall his name) of the Wildfire, with a somewhat horrified look after seeing what looked like the Gates of Hell opening up before him, and the man smiles and laughs like a little kid, so proud of his creation, great stuff!

I thought the wonderful look and sound of the Wildfire fit well with what we know to be the overwhelming power of the stuff. I, too, enjoyed the look of pride on the creepy little alchemist's face just before the Wildfire destroyed everything in its path.
post #1558 of 4832
The whores are the best..... best reason to not loose your head and save the city
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

hell production values on this ep good enuf for me. that battle scene was great and did not come off as cheaply done. just wish they had more stuff like this.

tyrion is severely wounded. he clearly was still alive after suffering the wound. i think he took more of a direct hit with the sword than appears after first viewing. i find it hard to believe they would kill off his character given his appeal, but they did, unambiguously, kill off ned last season, so if tyrion dies it should be clear.

not sure if the princess went with the hound, that was ambiguous, although she should certainly leave with him, she clearly lacks the wits of her sister.

tyron should be rewarding tyrion given that he was was the one that won the battle. can't see daddy punishing his son after such heroism, especially given the cowardice of cercei and joffroy. if anyone should be subject to the wrath of tyron..............

don't see how joffrey can survive as king. the people clearly have lost all respect for him and don't see how tyron thinks he can continue to control the iron throne under joffrey.

I'm looking forward to seeing how Tywin Lannister handles the Joffrey situation now that he is in Kings Landing. Clearly he thinks little of him, and Tywin is a no nonsense kind of guy. I'm still hoping to see Robb Stark or Ayra separate Joffrey from his head, but the boy king may not be around much longer, at least not on the Iron Throne.
post #1560 of 4832
Ok, the finale is going to be busy. I would think we'll have to at least visit each major character's arc even though I can't see any possible resolution with only a few minutes devoted to each.

Jon's deep in it with the Wildings...he'll have time to say hello and then on to next season.

Dany's still looking for her dragons...do they have time to get them back satisfactorily? I doubt it.

Arya's on the road with her friends...who knows where she's going. Maybe they'll tell us.

Robb's army is doing what now? Standing around or looking for Jaime. Kat still locked in her tent?

Jaime is on the road with Brienne. Will they get back to King's Landing without mishap?

Stansa and the Hound on the road too...

All the threads at Kings Landing...Tywyn's back with the support of Loras Tyrell, an interesting alliance, the Imp's status in question, Cersei and Joffrey...what happened to Stannis? Davos? What's going to happen to Shae? Ros?

Greyjoy and the Stark boys in Winterfell???

There's alot to cover in order to achieve a satisfactory season ender. I can't see how they pull it off.
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