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post #211 of 4606
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Originally Posted by Flambe View Post

Yes, but what did Lady Stark think might happen? Even if Lysa Arryn wasn't crazy, didn't Tyrian have the right to ask for trial by combat, with a champion? I realize that the whole thing to have him seized wasn't exactly fully thought through, but ultimately all her choices led to his escape. Hence she seemed both impotent and a little stupid.

But maybe that's the point - both Ned & Lady Stark have now been humbled by the Lannisters.

She went to the Eyrie because otherwise Lannister bannermen would have caught them on the road. She didn't know her sister was nuts and would essentially steal him from her (Cat's) custody. This was all breezed through a little too quickly with just a couple lines :\\
post #212 of 4606
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Originally Posted by Vipfreak View Post

Gawd... I gave soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much away...

Doesn't matter how big, spoilers posted in the "No Spoilers" thread are deleted.
post #213 of 4606
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Since when do Kings have to be "noble" all of the time

With Johnathon Rhys Myers portrayal of King Henry VIII on "The Tudors" still pretty fresh in my mind, King Robert seems as noble as the last King I saw on the telly.....except he's hasn't seen ghosts yet has he?
post #214 of 4606
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Originally Posted by sirjonsnow View Post

She went to the Eyrie because otherwise Lannister bannermen would have caught them on the road. She didn't know her sister was nuts and would essentially steal him from her (Cat's) custody. This was all breezed through a little too quickly with just a couple lines :\\

Tyrion tried to warn her (have you seen your sister lately?)

You think public defenders have it rough? Try fighting to the death for your client. Quicker and more fun than the OJ trial.

Standards for evidence are not exactly vigorous. Ned escalated the war on pretty flimsy hearsay. I hope this is not going to be another story where the bad guys are smart and good guys are noble and dumb.
post #215 of 4606
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

Standards for evidence are not exactly vigorous. Ned escalated the war on pretty flimsy hearsay.

- The "evidence" that Jon Arryn and Ned Stark were researching was probably the best possible evidence. Lacking scientific DNA evidence, I would think that "The seed is strong" would be proof enough for anyone in the kingdom.

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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

I hope this is not going to be another story where the bad guys are smart and good guys are noble and dumb.

- It's definitely not.
post #216 of 4606
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Originally Posted by tokerblue View Post

- The "evidence" that Jon Arryn and Ned Stark were researching was probably the best possible evidence. Lacking scientific DNA evidence, I would think that "The seed is strong" would be proof enough for anyone in the kingdom.
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I wasn't referring to Joffrey; I was referring to Ser Mountain. Nobody else can chop off a horse's head? That's assuming the guy was even telling the truth.
post #217 of 4606
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

I wasn't referring to Joffrey; I was referring to Ser Mountain. Nobody else can chop off a horse's head? That's assuming the guy was even telling the truth.

- The person recognized Ser Gregor Clegane by his size alone. There isn't anyone in the kingdom even close to the Mountain's sheer size. He's close to 8 feet tall and would not be mistaken for someone else. The fact that they also left "fish" as a calling card left Ned in further doubt since Tully's house sigil is the fish. He knew that his wife's house would not be raiding and pillaging.
post #218 of 4606
They guy didn't even name the leader as The Mountain, he just said it was a huge man! By today's standards of evidence, that is pretty thin proof to justify a death warrant. In a place where they believe trial by combat is a valid means of determining guilt or innocence, though, it is enough. Tyrion ran into the same problem. He knew that once the little Lord Robin passed judgement on him, he'd be executed, lack of solid evidence be damned. That's why he had to roll the dice with trial by combat.

The eyewitness testimony of the horse beheading is, I believe, supposed to be the proof to the viewer that it really was The Mountain, and not some trick or mistake. Nice callback to the brutality from a couple weeks ago.
post #219 of 4606
Great episode last night, I really like the way the story is progressing. While there are a lot of characters to keep up with, for the most part right now they are only focusing on a select core group which makes it easier...I could see the "betrayal" happening so it wasnt that big of a surprise that it happened...

At least Lady Lanister finally admitted that her children were by her twin brother..a twisted way of thinking for sure but it seems to have happened within a few different clans in the story...


Looks like most people took this Sunday off
post #220 of 4606
I thought this latest episode was beautifully plotted and carried out. Right down to the showdown finale that didn't quite go as some may have expected. The explanation of Littlefinger's love interest while directing his female employees was very clever and Drogo's decision to take his army across the sea after the attack on his now-beloved bride was very powerful. Just great stuff. I understand that some may find the occasionally slow pace of exposition to be a bit tedious, but I find it necessary and well done. I've never lost interest due to that. The various story lines are beautifully balanced and maintain their individual interest while building toward inevitable conflict between them. I'm loving it!
post #221 of 4606
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

At least Lady Lanister finally admitted that her children were by her twin brother..a twisted way of thinking for sure but it seems to have happened within a few different clans in the story...

- The big difference is that the Targaryens follow the Valyrian royal custom of marrying brother and sister to keep the bloodline pure. Jaime and Cersie were raised in the Andal custom where incest is considered taboo.
post #222 of 4606
Drogo's in for a rude awakening if he plans on attacking on wooden horses.
post #223 of 4606
I too am enjoying the show. I'm not sure I'd say the show it slow anymore, quite a lot happened in the last hour.

But boy, once again the Starks get the short shrift. They're really bad at playing "the game of thrones." They need a win soon.
post #224 of 4606
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Originally Posted by Flambe View Post

I too am enjoying the show. I'm not sure I'd say the show it slow anymore, quite a lot happened in the last hour.

But boy, once again the Starks get the short shrift. They're really bad at playing "the game of thrones." They need a win soon.

Yep, if Ned had the benefit of some Earth history or had taken some good advice...everybody knows that unless the succession is stable, you grab the pretender and arrest the contendors before they get a chance to organize. Then the executions start along with the fealty oaths. He got his ass handed to him.
post #225 of 4606
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Originally Posted by flint350 View Post

I understand that some may find the occasionally slow pace of exposition to be a bit tedious, but I find it necessary and well done. I've never lost interest due to that. The various story lines are beautifully balanced and maintain their individual interest while building toward inevitable conflict between them. I'm loving it!

I caught up with the entire series this weekend and after the first couple of episodes and when the characters became more familiar I've found the whole thing compelling and addictive.

Unlike many other series I don't find any particular storyline or actor to be a weak link and even the kids are interesting and don't have me reaching for the FF button.

I'm finding this more engaging than HBO's other big new show Boardwalk Empire which I really liked. The quality level may be the same on both shows but Thrones is more intriguing and varied.
post #226 of 4606
For those of us who have never read the books (or heard of them before) the pieces of the puzzle are finally starting to fall into place.

I now understand the significance of the emblem at the show's opening, stag, dragon, wolf, bear(?)

The last 2 episodes were great! The "imp"'s confession was hilarious

Has it been confirmed yet if this will go on to a 2nd season?
post #227 of 4606
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

I found that scene laughable. Not only did it look fake but was so impossible that someone could do that with one swipe of a plain sword, regardless of how sharp it is, made the whole thing look bad.

Exceptionally strong guy with a huge broadsword in a fictitious universe? Hardly impossible.

Especially since small Japanese men in the real world had swords that could cut through multiple bodies in one swing. Torso-slicing ability was how they were rated.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...ith-one-stroke
post #228 of 4606
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post


Has it been confirmed yet if this will go on to a 2nd season?

It was renewed after the first episode.

HBO have obviously put so much money into this show that they want to get at least a couple of seasons out of it. Similar case with Boardwalk Empire.
post #229 of 4606
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Exceptionally strong guy with a huge broadsword in a fictitious universe? Hardly impossible.

Especially since small Japanese men in the real world had swords that could cut through multiple bodies in one swing. Torso-slicing ability was how they were rated.[/url]

- Note that Cold Steel swords aren't exactly the best when it comes to quality, but their Youtube video shows that a large size guy can cut through two pig carcasses hanging side by side. Someone the size of Gregor (close to 8' tall in the books) should be able to cut through a horse's neck. Even the actor who plays Gregor (Conan Stevens who is 7' 1/4" and 315 lbs.) should be able to do it.

I won't link it since it's graphic, but their "Chinese War Sword" shows it at around 5:00.
post #230 of 4606
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

I now understand the significance of the emblem at the show's opening, stag, dragon, wolf, bear(?)

It's stag, dragon, wolf, lion.

Stag = House Baratheon (notice the animal Tywin Lannister was skinning at the opening??)

Dragon = House Targaryen

Wolf (Direwolf, actually) = House Stark

Lion = House Lannister
post #231 of 4606
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Especially since small Japanese men in the real world had swords that could cut through multiple bodies in one swing.

That scene was very similar to when the ox was butchered near the end of Apocalypse Now. Yes, that animal getting sliced nearly in half was real. The local native extras were celebrating a festival, the sacrifice was going to happen anyway, they just included it in the movie. It was Coppola's wife who ran to get him when she saw what was going on, and the whole event was captured on film.
post #232 of 4606
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Originally Posted by David F View Post

It's stag, dragon, wolf, lion.

Thank you! Dragon was obvious as was stag but not as much the other 2.

I have no clue how the story ends since not read the novels but to me there's strong possibility of Stark or an alliance between Stark & Targaryen taking the throne in the end

I really like this series. Having not read the novels, it was a bit hard figuring out all the characters and relations. I can see buying this one when it comes out on Blu, but probably not Camelot.
post #233 of 4606
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Originally Posted by Shedrock View Post

That scene was very similar to when the ox was butchered near the end of Apocalypse Now. Yes, that animal getting sliced nearly in half was real. The local native extras were celebrating a festival, the sacrifice was going to happen anyway, they just included it in the movie. It was Coppola's wife who ran to get him when she saw what was going on, and the whole event was captured on film.

I guess that means the "no harm was done to animals" isn't in the credits
It did look real enough.
post #234 of 4606
Uhh... oh right... No Spoilers... So yeah... I watched it... Missed the Midget...
post #235 of 4606
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Originally Posted by Vipfreak View Post
Uhh... oh right... No Spoilers... So yeah... I watched it... Missed the Midget...
Not much to say if you can't say anything about story, characters, plot, other than it was in 1080i and looked good on a Kuro

I'm trying not to give too much reveal but it's difficult.
post #236 of 4606
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Originally Posted by flint350
I understand that some may find the occasionally slow pace of exposition to be a bit tedious, but I find it necessary and well done.
I'm actually starting to look forward to the exposition.
post #237 of 4606
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post
Not much to say if you can't say anything about story, characters, plot, other than it was in 1080i and looked good on a Kuro

I'm trying not to give too much reveal but it's difficult.
You can say whatever you want if it already aired - as long as it isn't about future events that haven't aired yet.

Nothing seen on HBO is a spoiler.
post #238 of 4606
I, too, am so in love with the show. A few episodes back I reported the show had a technical glitch, the image was skipping or jumping intermittently. A few commented they also saw the frame jumps, most said they did not. I said I would not comment again unless things changed. I am happy to say the last two episodes played perfectly here, Cablevision in Nassau County, Long Island, NY.

Can't wait for next week.
post #239 of 4606
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Originally Posted by CPanther95

You can say whatever you want if it already aired - as long as it isn't about future events that haven't aired yet.

Nothing seen on HBO is a spoiler.
I'm not sure why a few people are having a hard time with this. If you can't seperate yourself from discussing the book then there is a completely different thread where you.can discuss it to your hearts content. There's plenty to discuss about plot and characters ect with discussing only what's aired on HBO thusfar.
post #240 of 4606
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Originally Posted by ss9001

Thank you! Dragon was obvious as was stag but not as much the other 2.

I have no clue how the story ends since not read the novels but to me there's strong possibility of Stark or an alliance between Stark & Targaryen taking the throne in the end

I really like this series. Having not read the novels, it was a bit hard figuring out all the characters and relations. I can see buying this one when it comes out on Blu, but probably not Camelot.
An alliance will be needed. I don't think that they've discussed the kings forces or starks but with ~30000 Lanisters plus the Targaryen girl coming with a large army as well its going to be one hell of a fight. Ned is going to need to choose a side or get acquainted quickly with one powerful faction or he's toast. Time will tell but I am sure well see at least one alliance with multiple backstabs and betrayals in the future.
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