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LOL, my bad....
Jaime hasn't been around in so long, I had forgotten their relationship and merely assumed.confused.gifrolleyes.gif


DAMN TEQUILA!

Well I think theres a difference between family duty and actually ahveing a good relationship wink.gif .....While they seems to get along fine there are still the quips and most likely divde between them....
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I agree that Cersei has what in a later age would be called "street smarts," but when it comes to honest to god mental horse power and analytical ability, I think Cersei is sorely lacking in every area except a strong instinct for self preservation. It seems to be universally agreed that she is a sociopath. Like her son Joffrey, Cersei is so emotional and crazy she is often her own worst enemy, despite herself.
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EXCLUSIVE: Peter Dinklage Replaced for Game of Thrones Season 4


EXCLUSIVE: Leading Game of Thrones actor and Emmy winner Peter Dinklage will not return to HBO’s flagship program for a fourth season in 2014. In a press conference the morning of April 1st, 2013 show creators David Benioff, Dan Weiss alongside George R.R. Martin made the announcement to stunned members of the media.
“Today is both a sad day and an exciting one for HBO’s Game of Thrones,” Benioff began. “Sad because we’ve all gotten to know Peter on set and love him dearly as a friend. We’ll miss him sorely. Exciting because we’re heading in an entirely new direction with the character of Tyrion Lannister for season 4.”

Members of the press began to stir and murmur in anticipation of what the show creators, who had seemed so stable and reliable up until this moment, had to say next. Producer Dan Weiss continued the explanation adding, “It was a unanimous decision between David, myself, Peter and George. We want to take Tyrion in a more comedic, farcical direction and everyone including Peter agreed that he just wasn’t the man for the job. I’ll let the other guys speak for themselves but for me the choice was as clear as a crystal crown. Warwick Davis will be our new Tyrion Lannister!”
Just then Warwick Davis, a British comedian best known for his roles in Star Wars, Harry Potter and the HBO comedy Life’s Too Short, stepped into the room to flashing cameras and even more commotion from members of the press. Warwick then took a seat next to Martin.
When asked whether he approved of this decision, George R.R Martin responded enthusiastically:
“Warwick was actually my pick back in 2009 when we first began looking at potential cast members. It finally hit me last week while taking an indefinite break from writing The Winds of Winter to catch up on some of my favorite movies. I think it was his epic role in Willow that finally convinced me. Such wit. Such… tenderness.”
Warwick has reportedly asked for 1 million dollars per episode, amounting to nearly 20 percent of the show’s 50 million dollar per season budget. “We felt that Warwick’s experience and star power was well worth the investment,” Weiss said. “We’ll be seeing a lot less of the dragons and direwovlves due to the new budgeting that will have to be done to compensate. But in the end it’s a small price to pay for this kind of acting gravitas.”
The producers also noted that, in an effort to maintain continuity, Warwick Davis’ face will be digitally transposed over Mr. Dinklage’s in all future releases of Game of Thrones on DVD and Blu-Ray.
At this point many members of the media began to shout out pertinent questions such as “How does Peter feel about all this?” and “Are you fuc@!n6 serious right now?” but the Game of Thrones show-runners were already on their way out the door, waving and patting each other on the back as they went.
Peter Dinklage himself could not be reached for comment in a recent interview the actor expressed feeling anxious about devoting so much time to a single project:
“I’ll tell you true.. Game of Thrones has been a wonderful experience all around, certainly. But I do wonder if I’m not limiting myself in some ways. I recently had to turn down a part playing Kelly’s newest love interest on The Big Bang Theory. I love that show! It killed me to have to turn it down.”
This reporter, for one, stands in shock and awe at the decision handed down this, the first day of April. Today was supposed to be a great day for Game of Thrones fans with season 3 kicking off last night and an almost assured announcement regarding a fourth season. I suppose we should all just take a deep breath and trust in the wisdom of the producers and creators that brought us this wonderful show in the first place.
We’ll update this piece when we know more about the fate of Tyrion Lannister.
Goodbye, Peter.

It's way too late on April Fool Day for many of us to believe that. If you are convinced, however, could I interest you in a bridge I have for sale?
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Ha, I fell for it. I even saw your last post on the front page of threads about April fools. I had a lot of posts to catch up on from the day, so I didn't even realize I was reading the April fools gag. I actually skipped over the original post and was reading it from someone that quoted it.

I was thinking to myself, transposing his head onto Peters...that's going to look horrible. I should go buy the bluray before they change over. I'm a dummy.
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I have to say, there's never been a more perfect marriage of role and actor than Tyrion Lannister and Peter Dinklage. It's like he was born to play this character.
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I disagree that Cersei is "dumber than rocks". It's apparent to me that she's actually quite clever at playing the "game". Through all the turmoil, she manages to keep herself in a very good position.

Actually I think recently she has proven to be not as smart as she thinks she is.

In Joffrey she has created a monster she cannot control any longer nor predict his reactions. She has played herself out of the game and does not appear to have a strategy to place herself back in a position of power.

Cersei is just sitting on the sidelines watching Joffrey do and say whatever he wants now and she is not happy about it. Just as in this episode when she made sarcastic comments about his bravery and he then completely brushed aside the perilous situation they were just in to contradict her in front of his new bride to be, Joffrey is now in control of her fate.
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Actually I think recently she has proven to be not as smart as she thinks she is.

In Joffrey she has created a monster she cannot control any longer nor predict his reactions. She has played herself out of the game and does not appear to have a strategy to place herself back in a position of power.

Cersei is just sitting on the sidelines watching Joffrey do and say whatever he wants now and she is not happy about it. Just as in this episode when she made sarcastic comments about his bravery and he then completely brushed aside the perilous situation they were just in to contradict her in front of his new bride to be, Joffrey is now in control of her fate.
I don't think Joffrey's uncontrollable monstrousness is due to a lack of intelligence on Cersei's part, though. He is what he is, and no amount of cleverness on her part could have changed that. It's not as if any of the other alternatives to Joffrey sitting on the Iron Throne would have been any better for her.
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Just tequila? No whores?
Sadly, I am too old for ladies of the night.eek.gif

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If you are convinced, however, could I interest you in a bridge I have for sale?
Sorry, but I don't need a bridge....I just bought one in Arizona.

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Joffrey is now in control of her fate.
Agreed, her scheming will only get her so far....
It will be VERY interesting how the dynamic will change once Jaime is back in the fold.wink.gif
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Actually I think recently she has proven to be not as smart as she thinks she is.

In Joffrey she has created a monster she cannot control any longer nor predict his reactions. She has played herself out of the game and does not appear to have a strategy to place herself back in a position of power.

Cersei is just sitting on the sidelines watching Joffrey do and say whatever he wants now and she is not happy about it. Just as in this episode when she made sarcastic comments about his bravery and he then completely brushed aside the perilous situation they were just in to contradict her in front of his new bride to be, Joffrey is now in control of her fate.
I don't think Joffrey's uncontrollable monstrousness is due to a lack of intelligence on Cersei's part, though. He is what he is, and no amount of cleverness on her part could have changed that. It's not as if any of the other alternatives to Joffrey sitting on the Iron Throne would have been any better for her.

IMHO Cersei is one of the dumbest women in the show. Her father, a very shrewd man, marries her to the man who becomes King. She fails to control him with what she thinks is her best weapon, so she not only decides to screw around on him, but does so with her brother, producing a sociopathic child that she raises to believe he can do no wrong.

She is then surprised when, after she orchestrates Roberts murder, again using her only effective weapon, she has zero control over her hatchling.

She then abuses the person she should have been encouraging to calm her offspring, due to her insane jealousy.

Now she is facing a truly skilled opponent, and as the dinner scene showed has no clue how to deal with an intelligent, well trained female adversary.

I hope to see Cersei truly beaten, soon.
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They talked about setting the siege line distance from Harrenhall as they approached the walls, but I thought they were talking about somewhere else.

Thanks to HBO interactive I now remember that Joffrey gave Harrenhall to Littlefinger too. I don't think he's seen it recently. biggrin.gif

Haha - I missed that little gem - thanks for the heads up.

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C'mon folks the dynamic is this.

Tywin can't stand Tyrion because the fact that he's a dwarf shames him, plus Mom died in childbirth. He recognizes he's smart and will use him as necessary, but never will respect or reward him.

Cersei hates Tyrion because of Mom and she's Daddy's girl. She's hated and taunted him all her life.

Jaime and Tyirion are best buds. Have always shared brotherly love, neither have been in Daddy's good graces and have both rebelled in their own fashion. Unfortunately, Jaime has no power in changing either his father's or sister/lovers mind. Charming, handsome, great warrior, but no moral compass other than being nice to the two people he loves...and they hate each other.

Joffrey is just a turd, but as the Lannister pretender has some power. He hates pretty much everybody, especially Tyrion because of the mockery and he can't stand anyone who sees through him and has the power or position to avoid his wrath.

Tyrion has always wanted praise and position, but was never allowed it. So in rebellion, he became a sharp stick in the eye of Dad and anyone else that mocked him...if he could. He paid the price and is still paying it, no matter what a great job he did as the '"acting" Hand. Expecting a change of heart from either Dad or Cersei is delusional. As always in thiese cases, there's not going to be any change in attitude. We the viewers like him, but in Westeros only his brother respects him (and maybe Bronn or Pod). He's stuck in another hard place. We'll see what happens.

Didn't Tywin as head of the family order Tyrion to be made hand of King Joffrey though? This move shows how realizes Tyrion at least has the wits to keep them under control while he is away. He may hate him for reason, but he also knows Cersei and Joffrey are incompetent to run things without destroying all he's worked for. Now that he's back he's hand of the king himself and kicked Tyrion to the side but it tells me he's not ignorant of his merits. Add that to the saving the city from the attack and he's a fool for pushing him away despite the fact he killed his mother at childbirth. He's going to enrage him to the point he will serve himself and probably go against the family name in the long game. (I hope to Joffrey's expense)

Jamie Lannister can't be King because he took up the King's Guard? Did I catch that somewhere? Seems like he would be the best to serve that office but rebelled and joined the guard to avoid it and be with Cersei. Tywin must hate that.
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Jamie Lannister can't be King because he took up the King's Guard? Did I catch that somewhere? Seems like he would be the best to serve that office but rebelled and joined the guard to avoid it and be with Cersei. Tywin must hate that.

Correct I don't remember the specifics but his being Part of the King's Guard means he can't also be king or even take over Casterly Rock when Tywin dies which is why Tyrion was asking for it in the first place. I don't think Jamie has any real desire to be in charge of any thing and even with all of his arrogance(deserved) he would still rather just be a fitter that has his life to himself that take any real responsibility.

A mix of Jamie and Tyrion would be his idea of perfect. The desire and know how to get things done mixed with the looks and physical ability to play the part.
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Correct I don't remember the specifics but his being Part of the King's Guard means he can't also be king or even take over Casterly Rock when Tywin dies which is why Tyrion was asking for it in the first place. I don't think Jamie has any real desire to be in charge of any thing and even with all of his arrogance(deserved) he would still rather just be a fitter that has his life to himself that take any real responsibility.

A mix of Jamie and Tyrion would be his idea of perfect. The desire and know how to get things done mixed with the looks and physical ability to play the part.

When Tyrion asked Tywin for Casterley Rock I think their discussion revealed that Jamie could neither marry nor inherit because of his membership in the King's Guard. I suppose, though, that the king could release Jamie from his oath and then we would be back to square one. Maybe Tywin is hoping for that.

I agree that a mix between Jamie and Tyrion would have been the answer to Tyrion's prayers. Imagine a man with Jamie's looks and fighting skills who was also as brilliant and resourceful as Tyrion. Such a man would have been formidable indeed! Of course, such a man might have some problems with whores but that's a mere bagatelle.smile.gif
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Originally Posted by HD Hockey Guy View Post

Haha - I missed that little gem - thanks for the heads up.
Didn't Tywin as head of the family order Tyrion to be made hand of King Joffrey though? This move shows how realizes Tyrion at least has the wits to keep them under control while he is away. He may hate him for reason, but he also knows Cersei and Joffrey are incompetent to run things without destroying all he's worked for. Now that he's back he's hand of the king himself and kicked Tyrion to the side but it tells me he's not ignorant of his merits. Add that to the saving the city from the attack and he's a fool for pushing him away despite the fact he killed his mother at childbirth. He's going to enrage him to the point he will serve himself and probably go against the family name in the long game. (I hope to Joffrey's expense)

Jamie Lannister can't be King because he took up the King's Guard? Did I catch that somewhere? Seems like he would be the best to serve that office but rebelled and joined the guard to avoid it and be with Cersei. Tywin must hate that.

Actually, It was Tywins "only" choice......He doesnt avae anyone within his lne that could taek over as hand of the King, so by default and begrudgingly he selected Tyrion......

and as others have said you got it correct. I believe the Kings Gaurd is a life long duty (unless released by the King as Joffery did when he released the head of the Kings Gaurd when he was crowned). You cant marry OR hold another position...
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Kings Guard is a position for life. But we see how that holds up, since they removed Barristan Selmy from the Kings Guard. Now he's with Daenerys though, so he still feels his position is active.
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IMHO Cersei is one of the dumbest women in the show. Her father, a very shrewd man, marries her to the man who becomes King. She fails to control him with what she thinks is her best weapon, so she not only decides to screw around on him, but does so with her brother, producing a sociopathic child that she raises to believe he can do no wrong.

She is then surprised when, after she orchestrates Roberts murder, again using her only effective weapon, she has zero control over her hatchling.

She then abuses the person she should have been encouraging to calm her offspring, due to her insane jealousy.
Sounds like an ordinary woman to me....tongue.gif

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I think their discussion revealed that Jamie could neither marry nor inherit because of his membership in the King's Guard. I suppose, though, that the king could release Jamie from his oath and then we would be back to square one. Maybe Tywin is hoping for that.
Probably so.
As it stands, the Lannisters will fall from power on Tywin's death.

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I agree that a mix between Jamie and Tyrion would have been the answer to Tyrion's prayers. Imagine a man with Jamie's looks and fighting skills who was also as brilliant and resourceful as Tyrion. Such a man would have been formidable indeed! Of course, such a man might have some problems with whores but that's a mere bagatelle.smile.gif
A co-regent situation?
Combining Jamie's brawn with Tyrion's brain is about the best the family could hope for....
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They would still have Casterly Rock. Whether or not the person leading Lannisters is smart or strong, they still have immeasurable amounts of gold.
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They would still have Casterly Rock. Whether or not the person leading Lannisters is smart or strong, they still have immeasurable amounts of gold.
True, but they have to "keep their heads" too...wink.gif
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I wanna see a scene with tyrion & the giant in the same shot. biggrin.gif
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I wanna see a scene with tyrion & the giant in the same shot. biggrin.gif
As long as he doesn't use Tyrion to hammer in a pylon. smile.gif
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HBO’s ‘Game Of Thrones’ Renewed For Fourth Season




http://www.imdb.com/news/ni50388470
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They would still have Casterly Rock. Whether or not the person leading Lannisters is smart or strong, they still have immeasurable amounts of gold.

That's a good point. The Lannisters have vast wealth and don't hesitate to use it to get what they want. Also, "A Lannister always pays his debts," although sometimes not in the way a creditor envisioned.
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Is there something special about Casterly Rock compared to other properties in the realm? Any reason it's so desirable? I mean, I get that by comparison Winterfell is a landlocked, cold place, but being lord of any castle doesn't seem so bad. I'm just not sure if there's something in the lore that makes the place so awesome. Something from the TV show lore, that is. I'm having a hard time remembering all the little details from the show from a few years ago.

Thanks
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I wanna see a scene with tyrion & the giant in the same shot. biggrin.gif

Giants are shy. Dwarfs are party people.

Crazy realm that one is.
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Is there something special about Casterly Rock compared to other properties in the realm? Any reason it's so desirable? I mean, I get that by comparison Winterfell is a landlocked, cold place, but being lord of any castle doesn't seem so bad. I'm just not sure if there's something in the lore that makes the place so awesome. Something from the TV show lore, that is. I'm having a hard time remembering all the little details from the show from a few years ago.

Thanks

 

GOLD.

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I just got back from vacation and checked my DVR (2% left eek.gif). To my amazement it recorded the new GoT. Thing is we canceled our premium channels. Is HBO doing a free teaser weekend? If so, do I even torture myself and watch this episode knowing I won't be able to finish until the BDs are released? Such a dilemma.
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I just got back from vacation and checked my DVR (2% left eek.gif). To my amazement it recorded the new GoT. Thing is we canceled our premium channels. Is HBO doing a free teaser weekend? If so, do I even torture myself and watch this episode knowing I won't be able to finish until the BDs are released? Such a dilemma.

You sure you can watch it? It might be like the PPV on demand movies that will record to your DVR but to watch it you have to purchase it, or in this case, subscribe. Even if you can watch it, I wouldn't - you'll just end up ordering HBO again. smile.gif
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free preview weekend
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Originally Posted by dcowboy7 View Post

I wanna see a scene with tyrion & the giant in the same shot. biggrin.gif
Ever see Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome?

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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

I just got back from vacation and checked my DVR (2% left eek.gif). To my amazement it recorded the new GoT. Thing is we canceled our premium channels. Is HBO doing a free teaser weekend? If so, do I even torture myself and watch this episode knowing I won't be able to finish until the BDs are released? Such a dilemma.
Why the hell are you leaving the party so soon?eek.gif

Dude, pick up a phone and get your premium channels back!smile.gif
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Interesting article from Vulture about the dragons,
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Game of Thrones’ Dragon Creators Explain the Beasts’ Teenage Evolution
(By Denise Martin)



As seen in Sunday’s season-three premiere of Game of Thrones, Daenerys’s dragons aren’t so little or cute anymore — they’re more like a cross between a Komodo dragon and a Gremlin. And they’re growing fast. They’ll be prone to mood swings like most teenagers soon enough, according to Pixomondo’s VFX supervisor Sven Martin, who designed Dany’s fire-breathing babies for the show. Short of giving the three dragons acne, adolescence means big changes to the look of last season’s parrot-size creatures, and aging them up was largely a matter of capturing that mercurial teen angst. “The main idea for them this season was capturing the difference between how they look when they’re demure and when they’re threatening.” As babies, the dragons were able to dispose of the warlocks by setting them ablaze, but Martin said that was nothing compared to the terror they can now inspire. “We haven’t seen them really angry yet.”



The personalities of each of the three dragons will emerge more fully later in the season, but for now, Martin said to consider the black dragon, Drogon, the leader. “The other two are his wingmen.” Here’s a preview: A few episodes from now, Drogon will get a bit aggravated, and for that, Martin added features inspired by the well-documented reactions of “angry swans” and a famous movie beast. “One of the things that we played with that’s also new is frill and what it would look like when they’re mad. There are real lizards that have it. Or you may have seen it before in the first Jurassic Park, where the dinosaur is screaming at the guy in the car.”

Dany’s dragons were in happy and content mode in Sunday’s return, seen for the first time flying alongside her ship on its way to Astapor (and barbecuing their own mid-flight fish meal). They even look to Dany for some coddling, a behavior modeled after dogs. In fact, Martin said much of what makes up the dragons is inspired by real animals. Making them believable fliers, for example, was paramount to producers, and after more than a dozen different designs, the dragons were given a bat’s wingspan and the posture of an eagle mid-flight. “We wanted to keep it looking realistic, and of a realistic environment, which I think is the idea in Game of Thrones. It doesn’t look like a fantasy series, but of course it is one.”

http://www.vulture.com/2013/04/game-of-thrones-dragons-special-effects.html?mid=agenda--20130402
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Is Joffrey getting a conscious?

When he was in his tote, when Lady Margaery was tending to the orphans, he seemed to look on in amazement instead of contempt.

Later he rebukes his mother when she tries to run her down at dinner.

I haven't read the books and I don't really want to KNOW, just seems interesting.
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