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post #2401 of 4655
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

Not sure I'm seeing any sigils. Here are links to both portions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlbnbaa9Lfo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28r9gusg9nU

At 1:06 in the 2nd clip, the guy in the upper right, his coat is open and I think you can just sort of see a hint of it underneath on his tabard. I admit it's totally possible I'm just projecting smile.gif
post #2402 of 4655
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

how is that?

Because Roose Bolton appears to be one of Robb's closest allies. If Roose's bastard son has Theon and Roose knows of it, then Roose Bolton is lying to Robb which could have lots of different implications. Admittedly, that is a number of "ifs."
post #2403 of 4655
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

Not sure I'm seeing any sigils. Here are links to both portions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlbnbaa9Lfo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28r9gusg9nU

Well if you look at house Bolton's sigil (flayed man) in the final scene with Jaime and Brienne, it pretty much duplicates how Theon is being held (save the inversion). That could be a hint or confirmation.

post #2404 of 4655
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Originally Posted by Whitearrow View Post

If that's the case (and I'm not sure I agree) it really diminishes Robb as a character. It would show that, despite the explicit warnings, he didn't understand the potential consequences of betraying Walder Frey -- if, at some point, they need to make a fast retreat north, the Twins could well be closed to him, and he could be trapped by the Trident on one side and a Lannister army on the other. It would show him to be quite childish and irresponsible, really, and not a worthy successor to Ned Stark.

I'm not saying your wrong, Daryl, just that if you are right, it sheds a new and unflattering light on Robb.

To me, Ned Stark made some serious errors himself, considering his own morality (correctly so, in my view, but I am not the Hand of anyone) instead of supporting a better alternative to the Lannisters. Robb has the same streak in him IMHO.
post #2405 of 4655
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

To me, Ned Stark made some serious errors himself, considering his own morality (correctly so, in my view, but I am not the Hand of anyone) instead of supporting a better alternative to the Lannisters. Robb has the same streak in him IMHO.

Agreed, the Starks have all made errors based on a set of personal principles.....Robb went against tradition and his word when he married Talisa, but he followed his heart..he KNEW the possible consequenses when he married her....He also knows that he may not make it back to the Trident and if he does then most likely it would be in victory......There is no retreating back to the North, they are in this until the end IMO.......

Also, do we know that much about Talisa besides she is seemingly "high born".....This may play out later to Robbs advantage and is an "unknown"........
post #2406 of 4655
I think what I was trying to say was, if Robb's decision to marry Talisa was really primarily a teenager's spiteful decision to disobey his mother, that is a long way from Ned Stark's honorable-but-obviously-dangerous decision-making. IMO, we're supposed to believe that Robb's motivation was True Love, not Getting Back at Mom.
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Originally Posted by Whitearrow View Post

I think what I was trying to say was, if Robb's decision to marry Talisa was really primarily a teenager's spiteful decision to disobey his mother, that is a long way from Ned Stark's honorable-but-obviously-dangerous decision-making. IMO, we're supposed to believe that Robb's motivation was True Love, not Getting Back at Mom.

I think it was "part" of the motivation, but he had thoughts of doing this before and sought his mothers councel on it, which she strictly forbade it becasue of his "deal" with the Freys.......He on the other hand had made the decision already IMO and sine being young and being "King of the North" made his own decision as a King "should"...I liken this to the decision Joffrey made to behead Ned, he was councled not to, but it was he who had the final call regardless of the outcome.......
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Originally Posted by Whitearrow View Post

I think what I was trying to say was, if Robb's decision to marry Talisa was really primarily a teenager's spiteful decision to disobey his mother, that is a long way from Ned Stark's honorable-but-obviously-dangerous decision-making. IMO, we're supposed to believe that Robb's motivation was True Love, not Getting Back at Mom.

If I remember correctly, Robb is 16. IMO it's clearly a case of hormones acting in the here and now, outweighing what may be possible political consequence down the road.
post #2409 of 4655
On the show, he's 17 when the show starts (all the Starks were aged up to greater and lesser degrees), but I agree with you.
post #2410 of 4655
well if the bottons are holding theon without informing robb, they might do the same with jaime.

they could turn jaime over to those that want his head and the boltons might gain the allegiance of
those allies at the expense of robb.

seeing marjorie with that crossbow made me think she might use it on a hunting trip with geoffrey
and accidently put an end to him.

i think ayra will be ok in the hands of the bannerless men. it would seem they have more to gain by protecting
her than harming her. you wouldn't think they would want to piss off the entire army of the north and risk their independence.
post #2411 of 4655
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Originally Posted by Whitearrow View Post

On the show, he's 17 when the show starts (all the Starks were aged up to greater and lesser degrees), but I agree with you.
Yeah, boys have little control over their hormones.biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

seeing marjorie with that crossbow made me think she might use it on a hunting trip with geoffrey
and accidently put an end to him.
Interesting thought....smile.gif

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i think ayra will be ok in the hands of the bannerless men. it would seem they have more to gain by protecting
her than harming her. you wouldn't think they would want to piss off the entire army of the north and risk their independence.
I think to everyone, she is worth more alive than dead.wink.gif
post #2412 of 4655
Arya better be ok - I'm counting on her to cash in that coin and finish studying up in Braavos.
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Yeah, boys have little control over their hormones.biggrin.gif
Interesting thought....smile.gif
I think to everyone, she is worth more alive than dead.wink.gif

Agreed thats why the Lanisters played it like they had her wink.gif
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Arya better be ok - I'm counting on her to cash in that coin and finish studying up in Braavos.

Well if this show has tought me anything its that ANYONE can have thier card pulled, I may not want to see a character go, but having everyone "expendeble" makes things even mroe interesting I think.....
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Well if this show has tought me anything its that ANYONE can have thier card pulled, I may not want to see a character go, but having everyone "expendeble" makes things even mroe interesting I think.....
Agreed.wink.gif
post #2415 of 4655
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Well if this show has tought me anything its that ANYONE can have thier card pulled, I may not want to see a character go, but having everyone "expendeble" makes things even mroe interesting I think.....

For sure - I mean when they snuffed Ned I was truly shocked and then said to myself "Ok, it's one of those shows." I was saddened to see him go but then excited that the story will not be predictable. I just really adore Arya's storyline with being the ambitious tomboy and very bright with the politics of the realm.
post #2416 of 4655
Wow, you guys talk in-depth! I struggle learning all the names. There are just so many. I know them by their faces. But names? Not happening.

I watch two television programs and only two. BREAKING BAD... and GAME OF THRONES.
post #2417 of 4655
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

I watch two television programs and only two. BREAKING BAD... and GAME OF THRONES.

Not there aren't other good shows on TV, but if you had to pick only two shows to watch, you did good. cool.gif
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

Wow, you guys talk in-depth! I struggle learning all the names. There are just so many. I know them by their faces. But names? Not happening.

I watch two television programs and only two. BREAKING BAD... and GAME OF THRONES.

Not that I want to add to your calendar, but check out "Justified" on F/X. Season just ended, but it is on a par with GoT (at least in character development, not in breadth or production values). Haven't watched Breaking Bad.
post #2419 of 4655
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

Wow, you guys talk in-depth! I struggle learning all the names. There are just so many. I know them by their faces. But names? Not happening.

I watch two television programs and only two. BREAKING BAD... and GAME OF THRONES.

You are clearly a busy man but you show good taste.smile.gif

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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

Not that I want to add to your calendar, but check out "Justified" on F/X. Season just ended, but it is on a par with GoT (at least in character development, not in breadth or production values). Haven't watched Breaking Bad.

+1! I watch both Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad and agree that Justified is in their class. The highly regarded crime fiction writer, Elmore Leonard, built his reputation on a combination of featuring sociopaths who were nonetheless charming and articulate and weaving in action that was often unexpected and funny. The Justified writers have done a remarkable job of capturing the Elmore Leonard flavor in their Justified screenplays.
post #2420 of 4655
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Originally Posted by HD Hockey Guy View Post

Well if you look at house Bolton's sigil (flayed man) in the final scene with Jaime and Brienne, it pretty much duplicates how Theon is being held (save the inversion). That could be a hint or confirmation.


I watched it again and you are on target with this one. Frustrating when you think you are paying attention and miss half the clues.

Forgot to mention earlier, when Jojen Reed first showed up, I thought he was the image of a young Theon in Bran's dream. Similar look.
post #2421 of 4655
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

Not that I want to add to your calendar, but check out "Justified" on F/X. Season just ended, but it is on a par with GoT (at least in character development, not in breadth or production values). Haven't watched Breaking Bad.

I second the recommendation for Justified and would say that it is the best show period. Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones would be my numbers 2 and 3 (possibly throw Treme in there).
post #2422 of 4655
In that picture, is that Theon's torturer on the left? Same hat.
post #2423 of 4655
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

Wow, you guys talk in-depth! I struggle learning all the names. There are just so many. I know them by their faces. But names? Not happening.

I watch two television programs and only two. BREAKING BAD... and GAME OF THRONES.

I had a lot of trouble remembering so many names too. This helped a lot: http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/season3/#!/guide/houses/

And the backstory is well also interesting and helps quite a bit - covered here: http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/season3/#!/appendix/
post #2424 of 4655
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Originally Posted by HD Hockey Guy View Post

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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post


Well if this show has tought me anything its that ANYONE can have thier card pulled, I may not want to see a character go, but having everyone "expendeble" makes things even mroe interesting I think.....

For sure - I mean when they snuffed Ned I was truly shocked and then said to myself "Ok, it's one of those shows." I was saddened to see him go but then excited that the story will not be predictable. I just really adore Arya's storyline with being the ambitious tomboy and very bright with the politics of the realm.

I felt the same. Poor Sean Bean, a repeat of his The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring character. His only claim to longevity is as Richard Sharpe.

post #2425 of 4655
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Originally Posted by HD Hockey Guy View Post

I had a lot of trouble remembering so many names too. This helped a lot: http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/season3/#!/guide/houses/

And the backstory is well also interesting and helps quite a bit - covered here: http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/season3/#!/appendix/
I'll have to email those links to my dad. he loves the show, but says his mind is too old to keep it all straight.

And I concur on Sean Bean. Damn, it was sad he had to go with the end of S01. He's such a fine actor and incredibly likable. Gravitas is the word.
post #2426 of 4655
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Originally Posted by Yrd View Post

In that picture, is that Theon's torturer on the left? Same hat.

Considering that they should be hundreds of miles away, no.
post #2427 of 4655
Season 3 bluray is already up for preorder so if anyone wants to get a 10 month jump. biggrin.gif
post #2428 of 4655
What the hell was that at the end? Instantly pulled me out of the show with such a stupidly anachronistic choice.
post #2429 of 4655
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

What the hell was that at the end? Instantly pulled me out of the show with such a stupidly anachronistic choice.

The song was a version of "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" which was earlier in the ep, but I agree it was awful.
post #2430 of 4655
It would have had much the same effect if it had been performed with traditional acoustic instruments. The song didn't need to get The Hold Steady. I guess someone in production likes them too much.

A loud rowdy drinking song can be just as loud and rowdy without electric guitars. That's not what a drinking song is all about anyway.
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