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post #2761 of 4633
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He should have married the Frey girl he promised to, rather than Jeyne. Keeping his promise would have avoided a HUGE amount of trouble.

That wouldnt ahve helped with the situation that occured last episode however wink.gif As far as what to do with the Karstarks he was in a catch-22, the marrige decision is "old news", but yes part of a string of questionable decisions.....he is young and he is learning on the Job so he is bound to make mistakes....
post #2762 of 4633
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That wouldnt ahve helped with the situation that occured last episode however wink.gif As far as what to do with the Karstarks he was in a catch-22, the marrige decision is "old news", but yes part of a string of questionable decisions.....he is young and he is learning on the Job so he is bound to make mistakes....
It's true that the situation with the Karstarks was caused by Catelyn, not Robb, but that just means both son AND mother cause huge trouble for themselves. smile.gif
post #2763 of 4633
Rob chose to be rigid with the Lord he killed, but let his mother get away almost scot free from a crime many of his troops consider far worse. Indeed, it was his mother's actions that led to the execution. And that cost him 1/2 his men....He could, and should have handled both situations more wisely. That he didn't is understandable but that doesn't change the fact that he chose wrong.
post #2764 of 4633
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You must hate dogs.


Well done!!,

Best laugh in a week

This is why I'm an avs member.
post #2765 of 4633
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Why would they fight though? They share a lot of the same enemies as well as a stronger moral code than most of the other players in the game. They could easily join together.

Plus Arya is from the north, the most vulnerable area if the Walkers get over the Wall.Walkers whose only weakness is fire. And Daenerys has dragons ...

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Disagree. Everything she has done gives no sign she would kill an innocent. I don't think she would be the kind of queen who would punish children for the sins of the father. Plus she can't kill everybody, she is going to need support from the other royal families, and the Starks would be the closest to her own moral view. It would come down to Arya accepting her as her queen, which I don't think she would have a problem with. Course all bets are off if Daernys should be responsible for Rob's or Jon's death. Otherwise, I could see them uniting to restore what had been the natural order before the rebellion.



This is why this material from mr. Martin is gold and why we're hooked on this milk from the poppy.



Arguing how many angels can dance on the pin heads mustered by arya and Danny.
post #2766 of 4633
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Wth, why was my post reminding someone to NOT post book info removed and the posts with book info left in???

Apparently, you know nothing, sirjonsnow.
post #2767 of 4633
Ygrette begs to differ.
post #2768 of 4633
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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

both son AND mother cause huge trouble for themselves. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Rob chose to be rigid with the Lord he killed, but let his mother get away almost scot free from a crime many of his troops consider far worse. Indeed, it was his mother's actions that led to the execution. And that cost him 1/2 his men....He could, and should have handled both situations more wisely.
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That he didn't is understandable but that doesn't change the fact that he chose wrong.
As things stand right now, Rob doesn't have the luxury of being wrong.
The Stark family is heavily invested in this war, they have enemies wanting to kill off the entire dynasty....and yet their family is being run by incompetents.
post #2769 of 4633
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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

It's true that the situation with the Karstarks was caused by Catelyn, not Robb, but that just means both son AND mother cause huge trouble for themselves. smile.gif

I dont think anyone is denying that both have made poor decisions and Robb has given his mother too much free reign within his camp...

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Ygrette begs to differ.

HA!! biggrin.gif
post #2770 of 4633
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As things stand right now, Rob doesn't have the luxury of being wrong.
The Stark family is heavily invested in this war, they have enemies wanting to kill off the entire dynasty....and yet their family is being run by incompetents.

Well, I wouldn't have put it so harshly, but that does pretty much sum it up. smile.gif
post #2771 of 4633
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Rob chose to be rigid with the Lord he killed, but let his mother get away almost scot free from a crime many of his troops consider far worse. Indeed, it was his mother's actions that led to the execution. And that cost him 1/2 his men....He could, and should have handled both situations more wisely. That he didn't is understandable but that doesn't change the fact that he chose wrong.

Isn't he only supposed to be 16 or 17 years old? The mistakes of youth....
post #2772 of 4633
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Isn't he only supposed to be 16 or 17 years old? The mistakes of youth....

I did say it was understandable. But once he let himself be named king he could no longer afford such mistakes.
post #2773 of 4633
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Isn't he only supposed to be 16 or 17 years old? The mistakes of youth....
Good point.
However, he regularly goes against the advice of his older and much more experienced commanders.
Not a good trait for a potential king of the world...wink.gif
post #2774 of 4633
There's a good reason why medieval monarchies tried to avoid boy-kings whenever possible. Teenagers haven't yet learned how to temper their emotions with measured thought. We now think we know why - the cerebral cortex doesn't fully develop until people are in their twenties. Plus, as any parent knows, teenagers are just moving bags of unstable, unpredictable hormones. tongue.gif Not what you want in a King with virtually unlimited power.
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So far, at least, Dany's shown more maturity in this regard, despite being about the same age as Robb.
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So far, at least, Dany's shown more maturity in this regard, despite being about the same age as Robb.

Agreed. She seems born to be queen.
post #2777 of 4633
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So far, at least, Dany's shown more maturity in this regard, despite being about the same age as Robb.

Really? Dany has killed just about everyone she's ever met on her way to growing an army. The entire khalazar (or whatever) in S1, everyone on the council in S2, and the slave owners in S3. You could argue that some of them deserved it, but haven't the people that Rob has killed deserved it too? Dany seems to be following just as much of a scorched earth policy as Rob is. I fail to see why her decisions are more mature... she seems to act out of emotion as much as Rob.
post #2778 of 4633
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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

So far, at least, Dany's shown more maturity in this regard, despite being about the same age as Robb.

She's matured A LOT this season and the end of last. She made some pretty silly moves early in the show and didn't tame her anger well either.
post #2779 of 4633
The difference is that Dany's decisions are growing her armies. Robb's is depleting his.
post #2780 of 4633
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Really? Dany has killed just about everyone she's ever met on her way to growing an army. The entire khalazar (or whatever) in S1, everyone on the council in S2, and the slave owners in S3. You could argue that some of them deserved it, but haven't the people that Rob has killed deserved it too? Dany seems to be following just as much of a scorched earth policy as Rob is. I fail to see why her decisions are more mature... she seems to act out of emotion as much as Rob.

I thought after Drogo(sp?) died that they deserted her, except for the faithful few. The council tried to do her in, can't really fault her for that. Slave owners, ehhh they were asking for it from the get go, considering she could understand everything he said about her.
post #2781 of 4633
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The difference is that Dany's decisions are growing her armies. Robb's is depleting his.
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post #2782 of 4633
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The difference is that Dany's decisions are growing her armies. Robb's is depleting his.
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Slave owners, ehhh they were asking for it from the get go, considering she could understand everything he said about her.
Yeah, growing your armies AND killing immoral bastards AND gaining the loyalty of those you free is a nice combination. VERY different from Robb's situation.
post #2783 of 4633
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The difference is that Dany's decisions are growing her armies. Robb's is depleting his.

Dany's army is only 8,000 strong now. Plus she doesn't have money. How is she going to supply her army? She is probably going to have to sack and loot to accomplish this. She has just started. Plenty of time for mistakes to occur.
Rob started off great and apparently hasn't lost a battle but also hasn't gotten anywhere. I would bet Rob's army is still much larger than hers despite the losses. Rob should probably just turn around and go home. I don't see any King's Landing presence in the north. Probably no one there cares about the north anyhow.
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Dany's army is only 8,000 strong now. Plus she doesn't have money. How is she going to supply her army?

Her dragons will not only catch her army's food, they will cook it too! Plus, they're awesome recruiting tools. Who would you want to fight for? Me, I'm enlisting in the army with the flying WMD's.
post #2785 of 4633
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I don't see any King's Landing presence in the north. Probably no one there cares about the north anyhow.
Did you miss the scene where Tywin commands Tyrion to marry Sansa for the express purpose of making a Lannister the heir to Winterfell? That's not the act of someone who "doesn't care" about the North.
post #2786 of 4633
Robs' problem is that he inherited his Fathers' morals and ethics but his Mothers hot temper and stupidity.

Ned would have NEVER allowed her near Jamie. The split second he captured Jamie, Rob should have begun negotiations with Cersei.

Oh well hind sight's 20/20.
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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

So far, at least, Dany's shown more maturity in this regard, despite being about the same age as Robb.

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Agreed. She seems born to be queen.

Me 3! Danny has been ruthless but her instincts have been so good, they have allowed her to prevail whenever she has had a problem.
post #2788 of 4633
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Me 3! Danny has been ruthless but her instincts have been so good, they have allowed her to prevail whenever she has had a problem.

How quickly people forget her "decisions" when she was Khalesi, form saving the witch doctor, to sacrificing the horse to try to say Drogo.....She also lost a number of her people when she decided to take them across the desert......Shes doing well now, but she didnt start off too hot......Seems people are letting her looks outshine her decisions wink.gif

Robbs decisions now may lead on a better path in teh future. Its way to early to tell, just as wel saw with Dany and ehr decisions before attaining ehr army, sometimes even the worst decisions have positive outcomes in the end.......Its a long road and Winter is Coming this only bodes well for the Northmen smile.gif IMO....
post #2789 of 4633
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

......Seems people are letting her looks outshine her decisions wink.gif

You say that like it's a bad thing...
post #2790 of 4633
Comparing Robb and Dany is difficult.

Robb's core followers are tied to him through familial and historical allegiance -- he is their liege lord, as was his father. In order to affirm that position he had only to demonstrate that he had what it took to carry on. In other words, he didn't have to win them, he just had to keep them. At first he made all the right moves to do that, and even to expand his influence. Lately, not so much.

Dany may have a hereditary claim to the Iron Throne, but aside from the two Westeros men nobody around her cares. She gains her influence through charisma (and dragons). Her people are loyal to her because she personifies, and demonstrates, the qualities to which people want to be loyal. She is shaping herself into the kind of leader that people love, worship, fear a bit, and will follow into hell. She may need to learn how to lead, but these inspirational qualities are inborn.

One other big difference: Robb doesn't seem very good at "the Game." Dany hasn't yet had to play, although her handling of the Unsullied owner seems to indicate that when she does eventually need to play politics for keeps, she will be formidable.
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