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post #961 of 4656
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Personally I dislike stories that fall in love with their own characters, and GoT has done that with Dinklage's character. He was much more interesting to me in S1 when he was constantly in peril. This "oh look at me master politics and intellectually dominate everyone" love fest in S2 is boring.

But wasn't he intellectually and politcally dominating everyone is S1 too (even when he was in peril)?
post #962 of 4656
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no more than a season

Heh... this takes on an entirely different meaning in Westeros than the one we're accustomed to, which is "about three months." I'd agree with you on the three months, not so much on the "season"!
post #963 of 4656
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Personally I dislike stories that fall in love with their own characters, and GoT has done that with Dinklage's character. He was much more interesting to me in S1 when he was constantly in peril. This "oh look at me master politics and intellectually dominate everyone" love fest in S2 is boring.

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But wasn't he intellectually and politcally dominating everyone is S1 too (even when he was in peril)?

^^^ Exactly. The little man does cast a big shadow! For me personally, Peter's portrayal in this role is as exemplary as Ian McShane's Al Swearengen in Deadwood.

I also remember Peter's role in the fatally flawed show "Threshold.", where I was almost indifferent to his character along with the onerous Charles Dutton.

Talk about a role suiting the actor to a T! "Cometh the script, out cometh the actor!"
post #964 of 4656
I agree. Peter Dinklage just plays these scenes perfectly. It was hilarious watching Lancel get completely pwned by the dwarf within two minutes.
post #965 of 4656
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Not to mention it gives HBO an opportunity to stretch its special effects budget.

Indeed which is why we don't see battles often.
post #966 of 4656
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But wasn't he intellectually and politcally dominating everyone is S1 too (even when he was in peril)?

Yes, and that was interesting! But right now it's not so much because he doesn't appear to have anything to fear. I'm not saying I don't like the character or actor, I'm saying that I don't find what he's up to very interesting.
post #967 of 4656
Yes the smoke monster is back.

On the dragons, weren't they not sure what they ate? perhaps ashes will make them grow real fast. maybe she can produce more milk with proper nutrition.
post #968 of 4656
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On the dragons, weren't they not sure what they ate? perhaps ashes will make them grow real fast. maybe she can produce more milk with proper nutrition.

If it's like the biological explanations of dragon lore from other works they'll probably have to eat minerals of some kind.
post #969 of 4656
1. I'll call it the "Shadow Baby"

2. Dragons probably will be youths for a while. Special Effects budget seems to be gone already, so I'll bet we don't see too much of them, just their cages.
post #970 of 4656
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Originally Posted by Vipfreak View Post

So... T-Storm, water, and wearing a suit of metal. Nice.

- I think the average soldier would be more afraid of a sword in their belly than the chance of being struck by lightning.
post #971 of 4656
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Originally Posted by Flambe View Post

Yes, and that was interesting! But right now it's not so much because he doesn't appear to have anything to fear. I'm not saying I don't like the character or actor, I'm saying that I don't find what he's up to very interesting.

I'm just guessing, but I think it might have to do simply with all the accolades he's been getting since season 1. In a way, his character might be more open to criticism in season 2 cause we focus on him a little more, he IS now the main and leading character of the show (his name is even the first appearing on the opening credits). Personally I love his character and how he's portraying him so I'm perfectly fine with him.
post #972 of 4656
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I'm leaning towards "pure evil"?

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The night is dark and full of terrors.

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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

so now the plot moves from being human driven to being driven by the dark arts?
i mean dark cloudy monsters.

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Yes the smoke monster is back.

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1. I'll call it the "Shadow Baby"

COME ON you guys, stop the bitchin'!
My 3rd ex-wife NOW has a job... and I can finally cut back the alimony payments.


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I'm just guessing, but I think it might have to do simply with all the accolades he's been getting since season 1. In a way, his character might be more open to criticism in season 2 cause we focus on him a little more, he IS now the main and leading character of the show (his name is even the first appearing on the opening credits). Personally I love his character and how he's portraying him so I'm perfectly fine with him.

His skills put everyone else on the show to shame....simply terrific acting, and a huge reason to watch the show each week.
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His skills put everyone else on the show to shame....simply terrific acting, and a huge reason to watch the show each week.

+1. And the amazing thing is the rest of the actors are no slouches either. Even without Peter it would be one of the best acted shows on television. With him, it soars even higher. As far as showing the dragons I thought it was pretty clear she didn't show them because she mistrusted those asking for proof. It would seem a bad move to take them inside the city, but she's desperate. Maybe she's got a plan...already she has shown herself smarter than you think. Part of her strength is how her foes underestimate her.
post #974 of 4656
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His skills put everyone else on the show to shame....simply terrific acting, and a huge reason to watch the show each week.

I'm not that sure about this. He has the best role to chomp the scenery with and he's doing a great job but his role allows for that. Maisie Williams playing Arya is doing a great job. Jack Gleeson playing Joffrey is really making that little sh!t seem real. Conleth Hill playing Varys is sufficiently unctuous. Jerome Flynn is great as Bronn. Michelle Fairley as Catelyn, Emilia Clarke as Daenarys, Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister, and Stephen Delane as Stannis Baratheon stand out to me.
post #975 of 4656
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

Jack Gleeson playing Joffrey is really making that little sh!t seem real.

lol

...so no love for Lena Headey then huh?
post #976 of 4656
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+1. And the amazing thing is the rest of the actors are no slouches either. Even without Peter it would be one of the best acted shows on television. With him, it soars even higher. As far as showing the dragons I thought it was pretty clear she didn't show them because she mistrusted those asking for proof. It would seem a bad move to take them inside the city, but she's desperate. Maybe she's got a plan...already she has shown herself smarter than you think. Part of her strength is how her foes underestimate her.

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I'm not that sure about this. He has the best role to chomp the scenery with and he's doing a great job but his role allows for that. Maisie Williams playing Arya is doing a great job. Jack Gleeson playing Joffrey is really making that little sh!t seem real. Conleth Hill playing Varys is sufficiently unctuous. Jerome Flynn is great as Bronn. Michelle Fairley as Catelyn, Emilia Clarke as Daenarys, Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister, and Stephen Delane as Stannis Baratheon stand out to me.

I agree there is fine acting all thru the cast...but PD tickles me.
post #977 of 4656
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

lol

...so no love for Lena Headey then huh?

I like her (and as Sarah Conner) but she doesn't really seem to have very many notes in her repertoire although Cersei may not have too many notes other than different shades of disgust.
post #978 of 4656
All of Grrm's characters are bent, twisted, ignorant, brilliant, sadistic, etc. essentially because they've lived horrible lives. The Starks are archetypes that shouldn't exist in this world. They are there so we will have someone to root for. What Grrm does with them is despicable. That said, The Imp, shaped by pain, smarter than most and the only character with a sense of humor, is easily the most attractive character to follow. Dinklage is a fine actor and hates playing a dwarf. He want's to be an actor that can play any role, whether supporting or a leading one. This is the best he's going to get...and he's taking advantage. Garrick Davis from Life's Too Short is also talented enough to do this role, but PD is prettier (even though the character is written to be ugly and deformed) and more like a Lannister (dwarf version). Since PD was the first casting choice and didn't turn it down (a good career move), we'll never know how GD would have turned out. However, I'll bet if he had gotten the role, he'd still be the most popular character in the series. Check out Life's Too Short and tell me he doesn't have the chops.
post #979 of 4656
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

All of Grrm's characters are bent, twisted, ignorant, brilliant, sadistic, etc. essentially because they've lived horrible lives. The Starks are archetypes that shouldn't exist in this world. They are there so we will have someone to root for. What Grrm does with them is despicable. That said, The Imp, shaped by pain, smarter than most and the only character with a sense of humor, is easily the most attractive character to follow. Dinklage is a fine actor and hates playing a dwarf. He want's to be an actor that can play any role, whether supporting or a leading one. This is the best he's going to get...and he's taking advantage. Garrick Davis from Life's Too Short is also talented enough to do this role, but PD is prettier (even though the character is written to be ugly and deformed) and more like a Lannister (dwarf version). Since PD was the first casting choice and didn't turn it down (a good career move), we'll never know how GD would have turned out. However, I'll bet if he had gotten the role, he'd still be the most popular character in the series. Check out Life's Too Short and tell me he doesn't have the chops.

Warwick Davis would have been great. They're both a little old for the role, but they've hid that well. My only concern with Davis is as brilliant as he is in LTS, he's almost a full foot shorter than Dinklage and might have had a rougher time with the more physical aspects.
post #980 of 4656
Warwick Davis is fine but he's not in the same dramatic league as Dinklage. Compare The Station Agent to Willow. This show fits the tones and shades that Dinklage excels at.
post #981 of 4656
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Warwick Davis is fine but he's not in the same dramatic league as Dinklage. Compare The Station Agent to Willow. This show fits the tones and shades that Dinklage excels at.

I do think PD is a better fit, but Dinklage was 34 when Station Agent was made while Davis was only 18 when he did Willow.
post #982 of 4656
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

All of Grrm's characters are bent, twisted, ignorant, brilliant, sadistic, etc. essentially because they've lived horrible lives. The Starks are archetypes that shouldn't exist in this world. They are there so we will have someone to root for. What Grrm does with them is despicable. That said, The Imp, shaped by pain, smarter than most and the only character with a sense of humor, is easily the most attractive character to follow. Dinklage is a fine actor and hates playing a dwarf. He want's to be an actor that can play any role, whether supporting or a leading one. This is the best he's going to get...and he's taking advantage. Garrick Davis from Life's Too Short is also talented enough to do this role, but PD is prettier (even though the character is written to be ugly and deformed) and more like a Lannister (dwarf version). Since PD was the first casting choice and didn't turn it down (a good career move), we'll never know how GD would have turned out. However, I'll bet if he had gotten the role, he'd still be the most popular character in the series. Check out Life's Too Short and tell me he doesn't have the chops.

Regardless of his stature, PD is an exceptional actor.
It would be great to see him accepting the AA for Best Actor some day...
post #983 of 4656
You would think a boy Joffrey's age would jump at the chance to play with two naked ladies. Was he getting any kind of sexual satisfaction out of torturing that whore or was he doing that only to spit on his uncle's "gift"?
post #984 of 4656
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You would think a boy Joffrey's age would jump at the chance to play with two naked ladies. Was he getting any kind of sexual satisfaction out of torturing that whore or was he doing that only to spit on his uncle's "gift"?

Probably both.

Have you never seen Criminal Minds?
post #985 of 4656
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Probably both.

Have you never seen Criminal Minds?

No, I don't think I've ever seen a full episode of that show. Too procedural for me. But what's the reference?
post #986 of 4656
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No, I don't think I've ever seen a full episode of that show. Too procedural for me. But what's the reference?

Typical serial killer sexual sadist. Dime a dozen on that show!
post #987 of 4656
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Typical serial killer sexual sadist. Dime a dozen on that show!

Ah, ok. I was actually thinking Patrick Bateman during the whore torture scene.
post #988 of 4656
Sansa is in for a painful honeymoon if she marries Joffrey. He is quite the twisted little snit. I think he got a tremendous amount of sexual satisfaction out of the torture. He seems to be getting bored bossing everyone around and maiming and torturing break the boredom.
post #989 of 4656
Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, The Hound... I suppose Arya is compiling a death list here? And that list seems to be growing by the minute. Even Yoren only whispered one name to himself at night.

It really would be the best if Arya is the one who kills Joffrey; she always saw right through him. I would love to see her make him cower on his knees one more time before she puts her Needle through his heart. Damn, this show has made me a bit sadistic myself, lol
post #990 of 4656
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Originally Posted by cuzzin View Post

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, The Hound... I suppose Arya is compiling a death list here? And that list seems to be growing by the minute. Even Yoren only whispered one name to himself at night.

Obviously, yes.
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