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post #61 of 189
I've a question about this player. Can I change position of subtitles on the screen (up/down), and screen adjust (horizontal, vertical) like on xtreamer, dune players? Of course while watching movie.
post #62 of 189
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Originally Posted by xinvisiblex View Post

I've a question about this player. Can I change position of subtitles on the screen (up/down), and screen adjust (horizontal, vertical) like on xtreamer, dune players? Of course while watching movie.

yes,u can change the position,size,though ,i didn't try it my self.but it's there in the menu,but not sure if both ver. & horizontal available,or just one option.
post #63 of 189
I' ve checked manual, and there's only mention about font size, font location or font language. There's no mention about changing position of subtitles or screen adjustment. Can someone check things which I'm interest?
post #64 of 189
Mine should arrive pretty soon, it is really a Good Deal in Euros, only 165 the Oppo 93 is 600.

So obviously am hoping it will be good. I want to replace my c 200 popcorn hour. Other reviews I read only mention minimal probs on some files via streaming. So it seems strange that users here have that many probs. Are you streaming via cable or wifi?

Have any of you tried changing the region?

DLNA is obviously not that great, but it should be able to play the files that the oppo does via stream, plus 3d isos via USB.

So those of you who have it, please share info.
post #65 of 189
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Originally Posted by Tomdigital View Post

Mine should arrive pretty soon, it is really a Good Deal in Euros, only 165 the Oppo 93 is 600.

So obviously am hoping it will be good. I want to replace my c 200 popcorn hour. Other reviews I read only mention minimal probs on some files via streaming. So it seems strange that users here have that many probs. Are you streaming via cable or wifi?

Have any of you tried changing the region?

DLNA is obviously not that great, but it should be able to play the files that the oppo does via stream, plus 3d isos via USB.

So those of you who have it, please share info.

all positive reviews come from one source?
all the downsides mentioned here are true
more....
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us
post #66 of 189
There is a very good review - in German

sorry am not allowed to post links yet.

Well, cannot imagine it being that bad, but who knows.

Will have to find out myself
post #67 of 189
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomdigital View Post

There is a very good review - in German

sorry am not allowed to post links yet.

Well, cannot imagine it being that bad, but who knows.

Will have to find out myself

hopefully the negatives,are only down to firmware,and they can fix it in future upgrades.
post #68 of 189
On Tuesday I will know more. I hope it Works well with my Synology Nas and plays my files.
Want one player to do what my Oppo DVD player and my C-200 do.
There is hardly any info in english about the 700, so it seems early adopters are beta testers as usual.
But it is very strange that one very good German site writes a rave review and a user in the Asus forum writes that it is complete junk and has problems with all his files and discs. The difference cannot be that extreme...
post #69 of 189
What are two versions of the fw ?
PAL / NTSC.
My tv takes 50 and 60 Hz.
Scaler problem with 480 (NTSC) or 576 (PAL) lines is out of date, because we have at the output of 1080 lines.
Who knows ?
Tomdigital:
Can you check the BD zone change?
Quote:


1. Power on the player.
2. Move the cursor to SETUP and select it.
3. Keep cursor highlight on Playback.
b. Key in the number 0123456789 in sequence by using the
number keys on the remote control.
4. A dialog window pops up showing the current BD/DVD region
code setting. Pressing the left/right key on the remote
control to change it.
5. Press the return key back to SETUP menu.
6. It is done!
post #70 of 189
Quote:
Originally Posted by janunio View Post

What are two versions of the fw ?
PAL / NTSC.
My tv takes 50 and 60 Hz.
Scaler problem with 480 (NTSC) or 576 (PAL) lines is out of date, because we have at the output of 1080 lines.
Who knows ?
Tomdigital:
Can you check the BD zone change?

I just tried the BD and DVD zone change...

It works awesome!!!!

Now I can play blu-ray and dvd's from my region. Seeet
post #71 of 189
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomdigital View Post

On Tuesday I will know more. I hope it Works well with my Synology Nas and plays my files.
Want one player to do what my Oppo DVD player and my C-200 do.
There is hardly any info in english about the 700, so it seems early adopters are beta testers as usual.
But it is very strange that one very good German site writes a rave review and a user in the Asus forum writes that it is complete junk and has problems with all his files and discs. The difference cannot be that extreme...

All I can say about streaming HD with this player is that it SUCKS!!!!

From USB 99% of files play perfect, with some having stuttering issues.

Over network, I have yet to be able to play a HD file!! It also does not support MKV over network. Only from USB.

I have the newest 4.x firmware and nothing has been done to fix streaming.

I have sent my bug list to asus and they sent it to the firmware team.

Let's hope they listen.

For the HD files and using same dnla server, I can play the files perfect on Oppo, dune, egreat, and WD player.

With ASUS the file will start to play then freeze for 10 seconds, then play for 1-2 seconds, then freeze over 10 seconds, etc..
Unwatchable!!!

SD seems to play ok, but I want HD to work as all my other devices do and are much cheaper.

Let's hope firmware will save it
post #72 of 189
I received it today and cannot get a single mkv file to play via Network!

I did not believe it, when I read this here - but it is true. Avi and mp4 are ok, I am playing around a bit more, since it seems impossible that this player cannot play mkv via dlna - every new tv does.
There must be something wrong, I will continue searching, but I am baffled.

DVD upscaling and Blu look great, changing region is simple and works.


Boy, I was so looking forward to this. Strangely I was able to play sample mkv's, so it might be a buffering problem.

Any ideas? Have any of you been able to watch an hd movie via streaming?
post #73 of 189
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomdigital View Post

I received it today and cannot get a single mkv file to play via Network!

I did not believe it, when I read this here - but it is true. Avi and mp4 are ok, I am playing around a bit more, since it seems impossible that this player cannot play mkv via dlna - every new tv does.
There must be something wrong, I will continue searching, but I am baffled.

DVD upscaling and Blu look great, changing region is simple and works.

Boy, I was so looking forward to this. Strangely I was able to play sample mkv's, so it might be a buffering problem.

Any ideas? Have any of you been able to watch an hd movie via streaming?

HD streaming via network is a no go for me. Only USB is useable with this device.

Such a Shame!!!!!
post #74 of 189
Update:
I am pretty shocked by this product. Might be the most beta product I have ever bought and I have been in the gadget and media player "business" for a long time.

DVD up scaling good, but it needs tweaking with extra splendid button.

2d blu looks great.

No mkv movies, just shorts via dlna.

Sd on blu (extras) stutters, one has to change the NTSC/ pal settings.

No auto NTSC/pal, absolute no go in pal countries. Even the cheapest player does this.

I really wanted this player and thought that negative comments on this forum were just from nerds who hate everything, sorry for this, this is a shockingly unfinished product which could be so good.

It should have been available a year ago and they did not use the time to make a good player.

At the current alpha stadium it is a pretty horrible product. I will probably return it in a week, what a shame.



Maybe I will keep it just or discs and the possibility to change regions. Who knows, again what a missed chance,it woul have been ok if it had problems with some mkv' s, but this is ridiculous.

At least it is cheap, 220 Usd in Germany. Therefore much cheaper than via Taiwan or the oppo.



Something I realized, but am not sure I am imagining. 3d sbs files seem sharper and more 3d than when played via the C-200. Anyone tried?
post #75 of 189
Quote:
These conditions are needed to make the most out
of your player’s DLNA feature:
• Your player should be connected to a router
(wired or wireless).
• Your DLNA-certified devices (NAS server, etc.)
should be connected to the same router as your
player.

What is Your router connection ?
Try with wired mode.
post #76 of 189
I am on a wired connection. Mkv movies definitely do not work - none! Only samples or shorts.

It is such a shame, great hardware and looks good. But so many things need o be fixed to make it a media player. I might keep it as a blu-ray player, but even as a disc player there is stuff that needs fixing.
It does not give out 4:3 discs correctly automatically. It does not switch between Pal /NTSC automatically. DVDs firstly look mediocre, one can manually change filters. Then it is ok.
But then when watching hd material, you have to switch back again.
All in all, a lot of stuff you have to do manually.
I will try 3D iso today.
I am a bit worried that it took them a year to give us this, so it might take them at least another year to fix the problems, if ever. I can return the player within 14 days and will decide soon. I just hope that more people finally get this player, so there will be more info and complaints on the net, hopefully Asus will try and change stuff soon.
post #77 of 189
there is another problem,the front usb is reading only usb sticks?
is it me only?
mov files is not playing,I get not supported format massage?
post #78 of 189
every player needs to support various output options

composite 640x480
s-video 720x576 (pal) ntsc you'll need to check the specs on..
component 1080i
hdmi 480i/p 720/i/p 1080i/p..

until they come out with universal regioning for bd, it will a software switch society and the software switch doesn't garrenty you it will play the region you desire especially when a hard code region is on the disc in question..
post #79 of 189
Quote:
Originally Posted by mystic_sniper28 View Post

every player needs to support various output options

composite 640x480
s-video 720x576 (pal) ntsc you'll need to check the specs on..
component 1080i
hdmi 480i/p 720/i/p 1080i/p..

until they come out with universal regioning for bd, it will a software switch society and the software switch doesn't garrenty you it will play the region you desire especially when a hard code region is on the disc in question..

I apologize f/ the off-topic, but since it was brought up:

Would you please explain: "needs" as in "we'd like" or as in this is an industry standard spec that we can take for granted?

Also, when you say component 1080i: I was under the impression that all (incl. component) analog outputs have been Panasony-limited to SD, f/ idiotic copy protection (as if we are idiots and would copy bd's as we used to vhs...). Is that not the case? When we see a media player, bd-player etc w/ YPbPr can we take it f/ granted that it can output at least the bd spec 1080i from there?

Reason I am asking is that I am moving my -geriatric- HT and decided to finally update it w/ HD. My pj is a CRT with RGBHV/YPbPr BNC's only, so if I can input the YPbPr straight from the bd/media player it saves me the converter.

Is HDCP transmitted over YPbPr? If yes, does it mean I might as well forget playing retail bd's (I understand ripped bd iso's are rid of HDCP, right?)?
post #80 of 189
terminal termination means nothing in this..

I believe that's about the max support component can handle whether you use bnc or rca connection

composite defaults to 640x480 not sure if this can handle any higher res, this is what i've seen with my onkyo 704 6 disc 1080i capable hdmi supported player
s-video defaults to 720x576 not sure if this is max res or not though it is a generic output standard for s-video..


looking at players like oppo due industry pressure they had to remove iso support to stop people using this method in dvd/cd/bd ripping circles to stop piracy I guess..

myself due to not being able to get a title on the local market I have to import it, sadly some disc's whether it be dvd or bd can have hard coded region locks meaning if the player in question doesn't support the region you import properly can cause region bitch slapping issues in dvd/bd playback.. some co's do support loose tollerance for multiregion playback though some hardcoded disc's may have issues working within multiregion format in playback..

on bd playback i have yet to see full multiregion support that allows hard coded material playback without first selecting the region format you wish to play..

I have been faced with poor encryption system deployment on disc forcing issues in playback forcing me to rip the title in question just so I could watch it..

not sure if this has happened in other countries though i'm faced with co's that use the crappiest media disc possible within reproduction and the encryption systems they use are on a disc per disc basis making big playback issues happen where there souldn't be a problem..

personally I don't condone piracy in bit, though in the past i've had to become 1 just to playback a legally brought disc for between $25-60 per single disc..
post #81 of 189
seems like hardly anyone has this player. Atleast noone who is active in forums.
Very strange. Also strange that only two or three reviews were released and they were done by not very professional and uncritical people, who seemed to just about be able to unbox the player, but obviously never really tested them - or they got extra magical prerelease players.

I am not here to trash it, I have meanwhile decided to keep it, since I like the PQ but there are still some rather major bugs, which I am hoping will be fixed soon.

In all truth, it should not have beeen released yet.
post #82 of 189
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomdigital View Post


In all truth, it should not have beeen released yet.

And thats why no-ones buying it. There are too many media players that never reached their full potential and too many buyers who spent their hard-earned cash on said unfinished products which ended up being yet another box of useless silicon.

I think the 700 looks fantastic on paper (the Qdeo chip is a genuine game-changer) but buggy firmware and lack of Samba is a deal-breaker for most folks, once bitten...........!

Why would we buy something that currently does not work the way it should and may never do so?
post #83 of 189
Quote:


And thats why no-ones buying it.

That's not true!
Ideal sold in Italii, Germany, Switzerland and Sweden.
Hardly anyone buys to write reviews on the forum.

For me the key features are:
- 2 x HDMI,
- BD PQ,
- STEREO sound.
- HD AV streaming via USB,
- BD zone change,
- 3D HD Audio quality,
- Price.
And nothing more!

Tomdigital is 100% truth.

[2]
Usually after the world premiere of the race begins:
who finds more flaws.
Regardless of their importance.

ASUS BDS-700 poses a serious threat to the OPPO 93/95.
It's about $ 1,500 cheaper in my country.
OPPO owners and dealers will be no end to look for defects.
Nobody writes that the OPPO does not already play ISO files.

I hope ASUS firmware will improve quickly.
For me, this product has is that I need for AV Processor Onkyo PR-SC885P for 3D HD Audio (duble HDMI out).
post #84 of 189
Hi,
mine is comming today. I am located in Germany and I am an experienced user (Popcorn Hour A110, Asus O!Play, Netgear 550, Himedia 600 and Xtreamer Prodigy).
For 3D I'm using a Emachines V700 projector with Optoma 3D-XL, and play half-sbs files with my Himedia 600 (Realtek 1185 chipset). I bought the Xtreamer because of his ability to play 3DBD-ISO, but he crashed too often and had a very bad picture quality. With all settings in the middle position, the picture was very dark with much too much contrast - strange. Now I wanted to give the Asus a try.
I read all the negatives Tomdigital wrote, but since I don't want to stream files I ordered one anyway. For 165 - great price!
Will report when I did some tests. Tom, are you located in Germany?
post #85 of 189
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoTV-Tester View Post

Will report when I did some tests. Tom, are you located in Germany?

Yes, I am located in germany. Just to get one thing right, I am absolutely not looking for flaws - since I decided to keep it, I am hoping for fixes.

The player has a lot going for it, otherwise I would not keep it. But it has some pretty serious bugs at the moment, even when just being used as a disc playing device.

But as I wrote before PQ is great and the 3D ISO's I tried worked flawlessly.

I find it very strange that one has to constantly change the NTSC / PAL setting when putting in different discs, otherwise there is stuttering. The player just has to do this automatically.

24p playback from files on a harddrive also does not work, why?

Fact is we know we will get a buggy beta product as early adopters, not good but that's the way it is.
But, I believe there are a few bugs too many at the moment. I really hope Asus can fix this soon. Then it will give Oppo a run for it's money, plus it will probably upset many Oppo owners who paid a LOT more.

BTW I own an Oppo 983 and PQ of upscaled DVDs looks just as good on the Asus (maybe even better).

From watching online stores in germany, there must have been many sold already, since they are mostly sold out already.

Let's face it, it has only been on the market for about a week...

Meanwhile I bought myself a new WD LIVE player to be able to stream stuff that the Asus does not like. Great little product.
I have sold my Popcorn Hour C-200, that is how much I trust Asus to come up with fixes soon.
BTW selling the Popcorn Hour with inbuilt blu-ray, gave me the money to buy the two new players - not bad.


So NeoTV-Tester, I am really looking forward to read your review.
post #86 of 189
Does anyone have a BD from different zone and can check if really the BDS-700 zone change works fine ?

It is very important in Europe because some BD zone "A" are only available in the U.S..
For me is the main advantage ASUS BDS-700.
For example:
SEAL ( or McDonald ... ) concert is only made for Zone A.
I had to use the ANY DVD to make zone-free version and burn BD-R.
But it's not the same.
Quote:


1. Power on the player.
2. Move the cursor to SETUP and select it.
3. Keep cursor highlight on Playback.
b. Key in the number 0123456789 in sequence by using the
number keys on the remote control.
4. A dialog window pops up showing the current BD/DVD region
code setting. Pressing the left/right key on the remote
control to change it.

5. Press the return key back to SETUP menu.
6. It is done!
post #87 of 189
Hi,
first of all: Sorry about my bad english.

The player arrived yesterday, it looks very high-class and only because of the look I wanted to keep it.
The remote control looks and feels cheap, but has backlight and is very functional. The buttons are placed where they should be.

That's what I have tested:


3dBD-Disks and -ISOs: All were playing with menu!

- Space Dogs ( disk and ISO)
- Scorpions Concert (disk and ISO)
- "Die Schatzinsel" (disk and ISO)
- Grand Canyon Adventure (disk): Plays only after pressing "top menu"

They are all playing without stuttering!

- Panasonic Demo Disk (disk): Stuttering on some trailers, e.g. "Grand Canyon Adventure"
- Avatar (ISO): Plays english audio and forced subs although "German" is selected in the player's setup for playback. With english audio the playback is ok, with german audio the playback it is stuttering from 0:12:XX and after on the playback is crashing. German forced subs are not available, only the whole subs.


2D BD:

- "Casino Royale" starts with english audio
- "Crank" plays correct


3D SBS:

Other than the Xtreamer Prodigy the Asus doesn't convert the SBS to a frame-packed output signal, but I don't care, this work can do my 3D-XL and all 3D-TVs should be able to do this too, I think.


AVI, WMV & Co:

No problems. All files I got were played correctly.


DVD:

No problemss. All disks I got were played correctly.


Files from my 3d-Camera Fuji W3:

- Fotos and videos are shown in 2D only


MP3, FLAC & Co:

- There is no library function, no ability to read tags. You cannot search for a file in a huge collection. Bad!
- No ability to play flac files gapless


Internet:

- You got Flickr, Picasa, Youtube and Internet Radio (Muzee). No browser. No Youtube HD.
- The internet radio doesn't show the title and the interpret that is played. Bad!


Others:

- The remote control disturbes my HDMI-switch
- HD-Audio: No setting for "Core-only" (5.1)
- A function for delete, copy or move files doesn't exist
- USB-hubs are supported!!
- No cover-art
- When you stop a movie, the position is not saved! The movie always plays on from the beginning
- It is not possible to go into "setup" during playing a movie if you want to change a setting. No button on the remote for this. You have to stop the playback and to go to home-menu to reach the setup-menu. After that the movie will start from the beginning. Very bad!


Conclusion:

This player has got one outstanding function: The ability of playing 3DBD-ISOs with menu.
But it doesn't work on all ISOs without problems, some are stuttering.

As a Bluray-player the device is in an alpha stadium. It doesn't play the correct audio and subs on several disks.

The function as a media player is very limited. No library, no cover-arts, problems with streaming... Welcome to the first generation of media players!

So far I'm disappointed. It cannot replace my Himedia 600.
OK, some problems can be solved with firmware updates, but looking on the Oppo... what, if things get more worse? Maybe Asus will loose the Bluray certification if they go on with the ability of changing region code and playback of 3DBD-ISOs. And what about Cinavia? Will they implement it in a future firmware?

In my opinion you go better with 2 devices, a good Bluray-player and a good media-player with Sigma or Realtek chipset.

And if you want 3DBD-ISO, choose one with Realtek 1186 chipset. You will not have the menu, but all functions you can think of and much more comfort. And the chinese manufacturers like Himedia will not implement Cinavia. They are not under the pressure of US reglementation.

Only my thoughts...
post #88 of 189
@NeoTv-Tester

Please do some DLNA testing.

You forgot to mention one positive thing about the player. The picture quality.
post #89 of 189
Tom, the picture quality might be great, but I can't test it...

I got a lot of experience according to media players, but I don't got the latest hardware devices.

My TV and my projector are 720p only, and in case the 3D-XL is between, the picture quality is relatively bad (that's what I found out now!).
24p? None of my devices can show this, the signal is always converted to 50/60 fps...

So far I'm not the most critical user according to picture quality and 24fps (I see a little stuttering every xx seconds!) problems ;-)

But seriously, I never had the feeling that the picture quality of a Realtek player is bad according to a Sigma player like some people say, maybe it's not so importantant for me, more important is that everything works like it should.

DLNA testing... sorry again, I'm only connecting my three 2TB HDDs via USB. Because I don't need more problems and streaming makes more problems on nearly every device... ;-)
And the good news is, that the Asus supports hubs.


@xinvisiblex:

No, you can't change the position of subs. Have a look at the manual. Page 40: PGS (M2TS, BD): Cannot adjust size and location.
post #90 of 189
@NeotvTester

Maybe you will feel bored tomorrow and could run a short DLna test on your pc.
It would be great to get more feedback concerning dlna.


@janunio


Yes, I tested "zone a" works perfectly.
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