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post #1861 of 3195
2/8/12 at 6:44am
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Already tried uninstalling & reinstalling the apps. No change!

Could it be something with your network connection? No other issues with the iControl App?
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post #1862 of 3195
2/8/12 at 6:53am
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Originally Posted by millerrh View Post

Could it be something with your network connection? No other issues with the iControl App?

Suppose its possible that its network related but if that were the case, then it wouldn't work at all -- doubt its that. No other issues at all w/ iControl.
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post #1863 of 3195
2/8/12 at 10:15am
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nope... it's not "my theory", it's pretty much basic acoustics...

consider this... my main speakers (which are towers) have measured in my room response into the mid-30's... they are set as "small", and crossed over at 80hz...

also don't forget that a crossover is not a brick wall, it is a slope...

as to "why"...

the frequency range in a "normal home environment" can be divided into 2 parts... one where the wavelengths "fit" in your room, and one where they "don't fit" in your room...

anything above 200hz is in the radiant zone... we don't care about that right now... other than to realize this is where your "imaging and soundstage" primarily come from, and ideally, your main speakers position is optimized for this...

depending on the size of your room, below 200hz, room modes start to effect what you hear... below 80-120hz, room modes dominate...

because of this, the positioning of your subwoofer can (and does) have ahuge effect on what you actually "get"... and due to the way room modes work, the "good spot" (or at least "least bad spot") is almost never where the main speakers are...

for example, you might corner load your subwoofer (as most do) in order to maximize output... or you might go with a pair to smooth output...

all the above also ignores the potential for cancellation/reinforcement/phase difficulties/power compression on the mains/etc. when running "plus"...

there's more (and what i gave you is a gross simplification) but hopefully that gives you a basic idea...


ok i got the 1121 yesterday and played with it a bit.
my question is this , i do like to listen to stereo without the sub , or just as a "completing" bass device .

is there a way to program so when i switch back to Stereo the sub will be off , but it will be back on when i'm back in Surround for movies ?
so far i just went manualy to the speaker setup and turn off and on manualy.

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post #1864 of 3195
2/8/12 at 10:18am
^^^^ I'm going to say no.
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post #1865 of 3195
2/8/12 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by danny_isr View Post

ok i got the 1121 yesterday and played with it a bit.
my question is this , i do like to listen to stereo without the sub , or just as a "completing" bass device .

is there a way to program so when i switch back to Stereo the sub will be off , but it will be back on when i'm back in Surround for movies ?
so far i just went manualy to the speaker setup and turn off and on manualy.

thanks

If you set your front speakers to Large this is the behavior you'll get. However, the sub will only play LFE signals and the bass below the crossover from the other non-Large speakers. So you will have less bass than if you set all your speakers to small. Sounds like for you you might actually prefer this and you'll still have all the rumbly LFE goodness coming out your sub for movies.
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post #1866 of 3195
2/8/12 at 1:38pm
having a little trouble with my pioneer unit. Have had it for almost a month now, worked great until this weekend.

It shut its self off and wouldnt turn back on. After sitting unplugged for a few days i plugged it back in and turned it on. It did power up but i can not operate it. When any of the buttons on the unit are pressed (except for volume knob, it still functions) it displays PANEL LOCK. If i try to use the remote the display says Remote lock.

Any idea what the problem is, or how to fix it??
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post #1867 of 3195
2/8/12 at 1:46pm
This reciever is a pain in the you-know-what!

Lip sync issues on every 3D movie I throw into the PS3 slim. Infact it took a few minutes for this marvel to work at all with the PS3.

Sound is very weak compared to my Onkyo, and it is a pain to set up or to get help from anyone in this forum about it. No one seems to know why it has the issues that it does. There is no dedicated thread about it anywhere in AVS
I even tried starting one, but no one seemed to give a hoot about this product.

I was going to buy the 1021-k but it seems that the only upgrade is the "air play gimick".

I have been totally disappointed with this reciever and have decided to box it and return it back from whence it came.

Just bought an Onkyo 609 today which I am sure is much more powerful and easier to operate
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post #1868 of 3195
2/8/12 at 1:51pm
^^^

good for you... feel better now that you've told the whole world about it?
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post #1869 of 3195
2/8/12 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

good for you... feel better now that you've told the whole world about it?

Quite good.


I asked for help again, and again, but none of you guys seem to know a thing about your own recievers save for the fact that it is a Pioneer and you love Air Play.

I have over $10,000 invested in my speakers, subs, and 3D TV I don't have time for fanaticism, I just want whatever gives me the best 3D and sound, and it obviously isn't the Pioneer.

Thanks a lot.
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post #1870 of 3195
2/8/12 at 2:24pm
I don't care about the AirPlay, I don't even own any IPod junk
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post #1871 of 3195
2/8/12 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by King_David View Post

Quite good.


I asked for help again, and again, but none of you guys seem to know a thing about your own recievers save for the fact that it is a Pioneer and you love Air Play.

I have over $10,000 invested in my speakers, subs, and 3D TV I don't have time for fanaticism, I just want whatever gives me the best 3D and sound, and it obviously isn't the Pioneer.

Thanks a lot.

Geez, if you spend that much on your other equipment why did you skimp on the AVR by getting a $300 model?

Sorry I can't help you because I have Denon receivers and have no interest in 3D.
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post #1872 of 3195
2/8/12 at 3:51pm
yes i have to admit that cought my eye too ...$10k of equipment and this leverl of Receiver just don't seem to go together IMO
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post #1873 of 3195
2/8/12 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by King_David View Post

Just bought an Onkyo 609 today which I am sure is much more powerful and easier to operate

Sorry to hear you've had issues. It happens. But from my experience alot of the people on AVS are great and very helpful. They can't fix/resolve/help everyone.

I love my receiver, and it works great with everything I throw at it. Hopefully it stays that way and works great like my previous Pioneer VSX-1015TX that I had for several years.

Good Luck with your Onkyo, I almost bought that one but stayed faithful to Pioneer, no regrets so far.
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post #1874 of 3195
2/8/12 at 6:45pm
Just hooked up my new 1121 today. So far so good but I can't seem to find a way to get the volume level to show on my TV (Panasonic Plasma). I have another Onkyo and I love the way you can see the volume level on the TV monitor without having to look at the reciever. I'm sure there is a way since this reciever seems to have everything.
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post #1875 of 3195
2/8/12 at 6:58pm
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Originally Posted by toddxr4ti View Post

Just hooked up my new 1121 today. So far so good but I can't seem to find a way to get the volume level to show on my TV (Panasonic Plasma). I have another Onkyo and I love the way you can see the volume level on the TV monitor without having to look at the reciever. I'm sure there is a way since this reciever seems to have everything.

This one doesn't do that unfortunately.
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post #1876 of 3195
2/8/12 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by toddxr4ti View Post

Do you know if any of the Pioneer recievers offer this feature?

No, to be honest I didn't even know this was a feature when I was looking for receivers. So i never knew to compare this. My last one was a 15 year old Sony that didn't even hook up to a TV so this was a vast improvement for me

EDIT: How did my response show above your statement? Weird.
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post #1877 of 3195
2/8/12 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by millerrh View Post

This one doesn't do that unfortunately.

Do you know if any of the Pioneer recievers offer this feature?
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post #1878 of 3195
2/8/12 at 7:18pm
That is weird.... Anyway, not having this feature is not enough reason for me to switch back to Onkyo but I wish it could do that.
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post #1879 of 3195
2/8/12 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by toddxr4ti View Post

That is weird.... Anyway, not having this feature is not enough reason for me to switch back to Onkyo but I wish it could do that.

Yes, now that I know others do this it would be cool. But my receiver is right below my TV so not a big deal for me. I can just look done there to see the volume.
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post #1880 of 3195
2/9/12 at 1:39am
Hi all,
The only way to see the Volume on your HDTV is to have both the receiver and the HDTV with HDMI Control / CEC ON.
Even then it is variable per components and how well they play together.
Obviously if you have a Pioneer HDTV and Kuro Link between the HDTV and the receiver this will always work.
If you do use HDMI Control the Pioneer receiver will turn on defaulted to TV/SAT and you will have to assign your cable box or Satellite to the TV/SAT Input.

This is discussed in depth throughout this thread.

Bud B
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post #1881 of 3195
2/9/12 at 4:35am
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Originally Posted by Parva View Post

Suppose its possible that its network related but if that were the case, then it wouldn't work at all -- doubt its that. No other issues at all w/ iControl.

I would factory reset the 1121.
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post #1882 of 3195
2/9/12 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by Bud B View Post

Obviously if you have a Pioneer HDTV and Kuro Link between the HDTV and the receiver this will always work.

Dumb question, but anyway...

I have a kuro plasma and the 1121 with a harmony 890. While I don't have any interest in seeing the volume level on the kuro, would there be any other advantage to setting up kuro link? The only thing I could think of is that the 1121 and my cable box use ir blasters from the rf harmony, yet the kuro is still ir since I didn't want to run a long blast wire. Sometimes the kids/wife wont point the harmony at the kuro to allow it to turn on and off.

Other than that, would there be any other advantage to kuro link?

Thanks!
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post #1883 of 3195
2/9/12 at 6:27am
From UPS: 02/09/2012 5:48 A.M. Out For Delivery

Looking forward to it! Unfortunately, I will be gone all day today. Won't get to play with it until tomorrow night.
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post #1884 of 3195
2/9/12 at 6:31am
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Originally Posted by Bud B View Post

Hi all,
The only way to see the Volume on your HDTV is to have both the receiver and the HDTV with HDMI Control / CEC ON.
Even then it is variable per components and how well they play together.
Obviously if you have a Pioneer HDTV and Kuro Link between the HDTV and the receiver this will always work.
If you do use HDMI Control the Pioneer receiver will turn on defaulted to TV/SAT and you will have to assign your cable box or Satellite to the TV/SAT Input.

This is discussed in depth throughout this thread.

Bud B

You know, you are right...I do have mine set up this way and if I adjust the "TV volume" it shows it on the screen, but actually changes the receiver's volume. I just have my remote set to change TV channels, but change receiver volume so I never see it.

I think what the OP was asking about though was whether the receiver had an on-screen GUI for the volume. Seems like when I do what you stated above, it uses my TV's GUI. Could be the source of some confusion....the receiver doesn't have an on-screen volume indicator, but it can talk to a TV which does and still show you something.
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post #1885 of 3195
2/9/12 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by King_David View Post

Quite good.


I asked for help again, and again, but none of you guys seem to know a thing about your own recievers save for the fact that it is a Pioneer and you love Air Play.

I have over $10,000 invested in my speakers, subs, and 3D TV I don't have time for fanaticism, I just want whatever gives me the best 3D and sound, and it obviously isn't the Pioneer.

Thanks a lot.

I really don't understand why you even bought the 1121 with 10k invested in your system. You should have at a minimum bought the Elite line from Pioneer. Best sound you want from a receiver that costs ~$430 bucks? Are you kidding? You should be shopping amp and preamp systems for the numbers you are talking. I really would like to know what your speakers are?

The 609 from Onkyo is another misfit receiver for your 10k system. And then a PS3 as your Bluray player with a 10k system? Something is not right here.

I am not defending the 1121, it's far from perfect. I am using Proac and Mirage speakers on mine and they sound fine. I am not thrilled with the sub woofer performance in stereo mode, it's just not right, hopefully a firmware upgrade will fix it. I also feel the speed of the 1121 switching inputs and launching the HMG sever is very slow. But for $430 bucks it's a decent value.
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post #1886 of 3195
2/9/12 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by King_David View Post

Quite good.


I asked for help again, and again, but none of you guys seem to know a thing about your own recievers save for the fact that it is a Pioneer and you love Air Play.

I have over $10,000 invested in my speakers, subs, and 3D TV I don't have time for fanaticism, I just want whatever gives me the best 3D and sound, and it obviously isn't the Pioneer.

Thanks a lot.

i do not own it, but it is safe to say that i've got a more than adequate knowledge base when it comes to pio equipment...

the "best" sound, imo, will come from a xt32 equipped unit, and the only one that i trust with that is the one that i own...

if you wanted the "best 3d", you would have bought a projector, not a little display...

since you are proud of "how much you spent", why don't you share with us what you actually have?
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post #1887 of 3195
2/9/12 at 8:57am
Did any of you stop to think its 10k in YEN not US dollars, now 1121 makes cents
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post #1888 of 3195
2/9/12 at 9:22am
A $10k system and he uses an 1121 as a receiver and a PS3 as a blu-ray player. He then replaces the 1121 with a 609.....Am I missing something? Isn't there a high end section of the forum? Maybe he'd be better suited looking for recommendations over there.
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post #1889 of 3195
2/9/12 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by johnson636 View Post

He then replaces the 1121 with a 609.....Am I missing something?

Yes.. The onkyo has better amps, and dave said he has highend speakers. So now he is happy... Sure the pioneer got alot more features, but dave only seems to care about how it sounds...
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post #1890 of 3195
2/9/12 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post


Yes.. The onkyo has better amps, and dave said he has highend speakers. So now he is happy... Sure the pioneer got alot more features, but dave only seems to care about how it sounds...

My point had nothing to do with whether either of the 2 are better than the other, but he'd even consider either of these AVR's with that much money invested in his system.
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