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post #1921 of 3195
2/11/12 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by Bud B View Post


I am sure that if you don't like it it was definitely in the Setup.
Hey, know one is perfect!
Home Theater Magazine lists two Pioneers in their top picks for 2011, the Elite VSX 52 and the Elite SC 57.

The reviewer's like them and in their reviews was never brought up their dislike for their Sound.
Throughout the AVS Pioneer Forums from the VSX 1021 to the SC 57 a "Poor Sound Quality" post is usually a result of a poor Setup and performing the MCACC a couple of times to get used to it.
Then the follow up post is another question or just a simple, "Wow, Thanks for the help, it Sounds Great!!"
The majority of the posts are for help getting their Apps, Network or Gaming Systems set up right, which is usually just doing the correct tweaks to their Outboard Components so they work with the Pioneer.

I agree with a lot of this. When I first got my 1121, I was pretty underwhelmed with the sound as it was thin. I re-ran MCACC a few more times with no luck. Then I moved my speakers to more ideal locations and set up my MCACC better and the results were night and day. The sound is now very good and I couldn't be more pleased with the AVR.

Setup does appear to be a big factor in dissatisfaction, at least in my case.
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post #1922 of 3195
2/11/12 at 6:45am
I have 2 questions about setting up the 1121 I got this week.

1. Is there a setting that allows true Dolby Digital to come through when available and also converts stereo sources to surround? I'm using HDMI and right now the default runs stereo sound when Dolby Digital isn't available. Are most of you running THX or Pro Logic?

2. I can't find any adjustments for the sub other than on or off. Am I missing something? My older Onkyo had settings for how it would interact with the sources.
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post #1923 of 3195
2/11/12 at 7:03am
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Originally Posted by getagrip15 View Post

Sounds a little thin at times to me...maybe it's just my setup. But I'm just kind of tired of tweaking the setting. I'm replacing an older Onkyo nr-604, but even though I like all the bells and whistles of the pioneer, I prefer the sound of the old Onkyo. It just sounds fuller/warmer. The pioneer consistently sound tinny to me. Thought about getting a newer Onkyo but i had a few reliability issues with the one im having now. I've ordered a Denon 2312 in hopes that I'll prefer the sound from that.

I have used four Pioneer models (up to the SC-07) in my two rooms and have had the same experience. I simply find they lack (for my taste) a little presence. They do sound very clear... just missing the low end thump (not overly so). As an example one TV show always plays the same track before cutting to commercials and with the Pioneers I couldn't hear any low end... Onkyo or Denon it was there. I think you'll find the Denon very close to the Onkyo's sound. I did with the Onkyo 509/609 and Denon 591/1611 in my den.

For those who say all receivers sound the same I'm sure you are right so don't bother starting another rant. I tried all of the above without EQ as well and found the same results either way.
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post #1924 of 3195
2/11/12 at 7:32am
Even though the 1121 says its 7.1 it looks like it can handle two subs from the back panel. Is this the case?
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post #1925 of 3195
2/11/12 at 7:36am
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it has an internal y-splitter, yes...

any ".1" avr can "handle" as many subs as you like by using y-splitters...

keep in mind that this doesn't mean the subs are independent...
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post #1926 of 3195
2/11/12 at 7:56am
Seems to me it should be a 7.2 receiver if it has 2 plugs.
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post #1927 of 3195
2/11/12 at 8:01am
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nope, only 1 channel of processing... it's merely a split before the output jack...

in order to have independent subwoofers (and note, that's not "stereo", that's independent), you would need to purchase a xt32 equipped unit, which will delay/level (but eq together) 2 subs independently...
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post #1928 of 3195
2/11/12 at 8:23am
Thanks, thats nifty regardless. I was also wondering if it could handle say playing one input through an HDMI source (say a CD player) for audio but then play another source (say Cable or PS3) for video? I know my current AVR can only do this with fm radio. If this could do that with internet radio that would be cool, but I'd like it to work with two different sources through HDMI.
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post #1929 of 3195
2/11/12 at 8:34am
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not with 2 hdmi connected sources, no...

you could run analog/spdif cables and accomplish this with the use of the "source select" audio function...
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post #1930 of 3195
2/11/12 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

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nope, only 1 channel of processing... it's merely a split before the output jack...

in order to have independent subwoofers (and note, that's not "stereo", that's independent), you would need to purchase a xt32 equipped unit, which will delay/level (but eq together) 2 subs independently...

LOL, well thats confusing. I only got 1 sub, but still.
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post #1931 of 3195
2/11/12 at 9:41am
Hopefully I can find a reasonable priced avr where I could at least listen to music through internet radio or off the home network and watch something else on my screen without having to have any additional cables running besides the hdmi cables. FM radio alone just doesnt cut it. And you lose sound quality when its not hdmi. (any of these network receivers should be able to handle that since they come from the receiver via a lan cable and not a hdmi connected device, no?)
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post #1932 of 3195
2/11/12 at 9:50am
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why do you think you "lose sound quality" by not using hdmi (in the scenario described)?

the only thing you'd "lose" is the high rez codecs, and those only come into play with blu-rays... also, even on the best of systems, the difference between a high rez and lossy codec on a bluray is VERY subtle (and i mean VERY subtle)...

there is nothing available, regardless of price, that will mesh 2 hdmi inputs the way you want...
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post #1933 of 3195
2/11/12 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by Gary Quiring View Post

What kind are these "any app"?. Did you try iTunes? Is the receiver on the same subnet as the PC?

I tried basically three ways :
Pioneer - control App
IcontrolAv2 App
Through the 1121 software via my PC

Just doesn't seems the ip of the 1121 is visible behind that WIfI receiver .

To answer your question if the receiver (u mean the 1121 or the wifi ?) I don't know .
Not an expert on "subnet" settings ...
But I will appreciate an explanation

Thanks !
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post #1934 of 3195
2/11/12 at 11:10am
I just bought this receiver and I'm having a problem with getting video and sound out of the receiver while connected to my computer. I have a video card with HDMI out and optical sound out.

Connection scenario:

I'm using the DVR/BDR HDMI port (port 6) for video and the DVR/BDR optical port (port 2) for sound. The problem is that when the HDMI cable is plugged in, I get video but no sound. As soon as I unplug the HDMI cable, I get sound but no video. It seems like the HDMI port is stomping on the sound input of the optical cable and I can't get the HDMI port/cable to stop doing that. I have looked at all the settings in the manual and can't get it work.

Would appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks
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post #1935 of 3195
2/11/12 at 11:15am
For anyone who thinks the sound is thin, try these settings

L/R: 7 6 5 4 3 4 5 6 7 -3
SB/SL/SBR/SBL/C: 6 5 4 3 3 4 5 6 -2

You can play with the trim level to fit your needs, the sound is more full at regular volumes, gets a little thin as you crank it.
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post #1936 of 3195
2/11/12 at 11:16am
^^^

how could your settings possibly apply to anyone else???????
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post #1937 of 3195
2/11/12 at 11:23am
I have a few BD of musical performances that would be nice to have sound but not absolutely necessary. I don't know if the money to get the 1121 would be worth it for me over the 1021. I wouldn't use any of the additional features, but the extra power would be nice.
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post #1938 of 3195
2/11/12 at 11:25am
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the "extra power" is insignificant...

if you don't need/want any features that are missing, then go for the less expensive unit...
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post #1939 of 3195
2/11/12 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by billyx View Post

I just bought this receiver and I'm having a problem with getting video and sound out of the receiver while connected to my computer. I have a video card with HDMI out and optical sound out.

Connection scenario:

I'm using the DVR/BDR HDMI port (port 6) for video and the DVR/BDR optical port (port 2) for sound. The problem is that when the HDMI cable is plugged in, I get video but no sound. As soon as I unplug the HDMI cable, I get sound but no video. It seems like the HDMI port is stomping on the sound input of the optical cable and I can't get the HDMI port/cable to stop doing that. I have looked at all the settings in the manual and can't get it work.

Would appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks

Good luck trying to get anyone to help you in this forum.

I had to finally get rid of my Pioneer before they would even comment on my problems with it.
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post #1940 of 3195
2/11/12 at 12:33pm
^^^

you sold yours... so go away quietly... sticking around just to fire shots at other members is bad form, and not necessary...
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post #1941 of 3195
2/11/12 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by billyx View Post

I just bought this receiver and I'm having a problem with getting video and sound out of the receiver while connected to my computer. I have a video card with HDMI out and optical sound out.

Connection scenario:

I'm using the DVR/BDR HDMI port (port 6) for video and the DVR/BDR optical port (port 2) for sound. The problem is that when the HDMI cable is plugged in, I get video but no sound. As soon as I unplug the HDMI cable, I get sound but no video. It seems like the HDMI port is stomping on the sound input of the optical cable and I can't get the HDMI port/cable to stop doing that. I have looked at all the settings in the manual and can't get it work.

Would appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks

you need to use the "sigsel" option to tell the avr to get the audio from the optical connection rather than the hdmi connection...
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post #1942 of 3195
2/11/12 at 1:05pm
I think "Direct" is my new favorite mode. It seems more powerful and messes with the sound less than other modes.
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post #1943 of 3195
2/11/12 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

you need to use the "sigsel" option to tell the avr to get the audio from the optical connection rather than the hdmi connection...

Or possibly another solution, not sure what video card you are running...

See post below:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1684

I used my SPDIF cable from the video card to the mobo.
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post #1944 of 3195
2/11/12 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

you need to use the "sigsel" option to tell the avr to get the audio from the optical connection rather than the hdmi connection...

Worked didn't it?
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post #1945 of 3195
2/11/12 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

you sold yours... so go away quietly... sticking around just to fire shots at other members is bad form, and not necessary...

Lol

Hate to make your day, but I finally discovered that most of my issues were caused by my PS3 and NOT the Pioneer.

I found out yesterday that:

1) Ps3s are not HDMI 1.4 compliant
2) PS3s cannot decode TrueHD internally or via bitstream while playing a 3D movie period!

All of these would have been good to know while I still was in possesion of my reciever. However I believe the the Onkyo will give me better sound anyway, since i can connect both subs to its 7.2 ports...so it was a win, win.

Anyway, I placed the PS3 on Ebay this afternoon, and just ordered a Panny 210. Thanks for all your help guys.
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post #1946 of 3195
2/11/12 at 2:35pm
Solved: Found this in another post.

Simply assign the HDMI and optical to an unused input. For that you need to go into the INPUT SETUP menu, and assign those cables to the same input.

Next, switch to that input. Now, you should be able to see the video from the HDMI input. Next, press SIGNAL SEL on the remote, and bring that to DIGITAL, instead of AUTO. If left on AUTO, it will use HDMI for audio, force it to use DIGITAL (optical).

That should, hopefully solve your problem.
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post #1947 of 3195
2/11/12 at 2:56pm
Just got my 1121 and am using a Harmony 890. Everytime I power everything on Reciever, TV and Cable box, everything powers up just fine but then the 1121 powers off and I have to turn it back on manually. Appreciate any help/advice on this.
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post #1948 of 3195
2/11/12 at 3:07pm
^^^

turn off hdmi control on your devices...
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post #1949 of 3195
2/11/12 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by toddxr4ti View Post

Just got my 1121 and am using a Harmony 890. Everytime I power everything on Reciever, TV and Cable box, everything powers up just fine but then the 1121 powers off and I have to turn it back on manually. Appreciate any help/advice on this.

My Pioneer is set up with HDMI control so when I turn my tv on, the receiver senses this and turns on. What you are describing could be that you have yours set up similarly but since you have already turned it on with your remote it turns it off instead of on when it senses it (takes a couple of seconds).
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post #1950 of 3195
2/11/12 at 3:25pm
How do I fix? Turn off HDMI control or perhaps I should change the settings on the remote?
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