Originally Posted by iafzal
Power spec of 1121-K was a mistake by Pioneer. They gave up too much for too little in 2011 which their 2012 offering has proven.
1121-K from amp point of views is identical to VSX-52 (their second best Elite model in 2011). How can one offer the mainstream AVR line equal in audio performance to top Elite model? They probably have dismissal sales of VSX-52 because of the 1121. They have realized their mistake and now reconfiguring their line for 2012.
921 is gone as well and 1122 basically is equal to 1021 but video processing is better (same as 1121-K).
So 1122 is basically a 1021 with better video processing.
I think 1121 is great deal if you are looking for Elite audio performance at a bargain.
I am also expecting they will have much more significant differences between standard line vs Elite line in 2012 after the 2011 debacle.
When I did my research before buying last year, I noticed the 1121 was nearly IDENTICAL to the elite 52/53 with only a couple of extremely minor differences, such as two hdmi outs.
There were three things that convinced me it was the same as when a car company makes the same car and badges it under two different brands (think ford/Lincoln for example): first, the manufacturing location of the 1121 was the same as the elite line - Malaysia. All Elite receivers are made in Malaysia, all regular lineup are made in China - except the 1121. Second, all avrs - both regular lineup and Elite lineup had video's on the website giving a tutorial about that specific model - except the 1121. Why no video on the 1121? Because it would have been the same video as the 52/53! Lastly, the back panel layout of the 1121 was identical to the 52/53 - and didn't look anything like the regular lineups back panel.
Looking at the new 1122 - it's now made in China - just like the rest of the regular lineup. The entire elite lineup is still made in Malaysia.
Also to note: in my profession, I've been to and worked with companies in China. It is a very cheap economy and they are known to make bare bones consumer goods. This is NOT the case with Malaysia or Taiwan. They have very skilled labor and a much better economy. Many companies that outsource electronic components will go to Taiwan or Malaysia for higher quality products that require more skilled labor. Trust me, I've personally been there and experienced it, first hand.
My conclusion, with 99.9999% confidence, was that the 1121 was in fact an elite at less than a third of the price. Clearly Pioneer corrected this huge mistake this year.