Pioneer VSX-1121 Owner's Thread - Page 87

Originally Posted by JuiceRocket

I cautiously walked through this set up again. For whatever reason, when I go through the "before using synchronization " step, when I turn on my tv last the 1121 immediately turns off.

I can see the Time Warner Cable HD box via HDMI (input 1), but still no audio. In addition, as I'll write more about in response to wongkwp, I still see nothing via either of the component in connectiosn.



I followed these directions (more are on page 18) to the the T, and there is still no output my tv sees. I've tried both inputs, and and moved the optical in around as well. No audio or video goes to my TV. I wondered if it was an output issue from the Xbox, but when I plug directly into the tv the signal is fine. Am I missing some discrete setting on the 1121?

Originally Posted by iafzal

Maybe you have a defective unit. or have you tried making sure HDMI control is off on the AVR and see if it works.
HDMI control is known to be the biggest issue with the Pioneer AVRs

Originally Posted by Marken


So, does anyone reading this have a BR player hooked up to this receiver and get an output to the TV through HDMI? Anyone?:

Originally Posted by sandman55

I brought up this problem a few months ago when I go this receiver but never really got a solution so here it goes again:
At least once a night, my video drops out, usually with a quick flash as the audio continues. It happens on different HDMI outputs and sources. I changed the cable from receiver to TV but that didn't help. Also bought all new HDMI cables. Even added an HDMI switch between the TV and the receiver.
The TV is a 2008 Sony Bravia so it may have come out before HDCP. I would buy a new TV, but if this problem would remain my wife would kill me.
Thoughts?
Thanks as always.

Originally Posted by Marken

I get no output either way through any HDMI. But when I set-up control and hook the 220 directly to the TV using HDMI, I finally get sound to the receiver so I lost one optical cable. Just doesn't output DD or DTS

JR, mine also turns off when the TV is switched on. Go figure.

So, does anyone reading this have a BR player hooked up to this receiver and get an output to the TV through HDMI? Anyone?

I think maybe if HDMI is such a problem with Pioneer, they should go back to basics. Good grief, this shouldn't be that difficult...hook up a single cable and everything should be good to go

Originally Posted by sandman55

I brought up this problem a few months ago when I go this receiver but never really got a solution so here it goes again:
At least once a night, my video drops out, usually with a quick flash as the audio continues. It happens on different HDMI outputs and sources. I changed the cable from receiver to TV but that didn't help. Also bought all new HDMI cables. Even added an HDMI switch between the TV and the receiver.
The TV is a 2008 Sony Bravia so it may have come out before HDCP. I would buy a new TV, but if this problem would remain my wife would kill me.
Thoughts?
Thanks as always.

Originally Posted by Marken


So, does anyone reading this have a BR player hooked up to this receiver and get an output to the TV through HDMI? Anyone?

Originally Posted by AlanBuck

Same problem here using Comcast DVR and a Pioneer 6020 plasma. Happens every few days or so. Only on DVR though..never when playing BR discs. I just live with it.

Originally Posted by Abomination

I had this same problem and fixed it by leaving my cable box on 24/7 and turning my tv on first and then the receiver. I have been using it this way for almost a month and the video drop out has stopped. I also have a ps3 hooked to the receive and have never had a problem with it's video output. I also have all HDMI control turned off.

Originally Posted by jgminder

JR did you go into the cable box settings yet and change the audio setting to HDMI. If so, turn off HDMI CEC (HDMI auto control stuff) on the Pioneer. It never works right on any receiver and causes more problems than it's worth.

For your component problem, are you using the "signal sel" button? This tells the receiver to use the HDMI or another source such as component for the signal. Let me know if that helps.

Originally Posted by toofart

If someone just wants to watch TV don't buy a milti-function receiver.

Originally Posted by JonCr

I have a BR player, Directv, xBox all hooked up with HDMI and a Wii hooked up with component and then the receiver going to the TV via HDMI. I have no problems at all.

Originally Posted by JuiceRocket


I looked through my cable box setup menu, and I don't see anything that allows me to change the output type, all I see are the basics such as "tv speakers - stereo - advanced", digging through all of these I see no output choices. Doing some research, it appears I have to go into the "User Settings" to get to the more advanced settings which will allow me to change the HDMI audio options. There are three - "auto", "L-PCM", and "Pass Through". I'm trying to read through the 100+ page Motorola DCX3400 (my DVR) thread here on AVS to see if I can find out how to do that.

This is only one part of what I want this receiver to do - but admittedly it's a big part. I already had and was using an old Harmon Kardon receiver, but it didn't have the ability to support HDMI. Since I was finally mounting my TV, and I was tired of having multiple inputs to swap through when I watched stuff, I purchased this receiver so I could have the best in both worlds. I could use the receiver as the pass-through for all of my components (a whopping 3 - cable box, BR player, Xbox 360), and so I could switch audio for these (I could choose, when I wanted, if I wanted to use TV speakers or my 5.1 speakers).

Right now this receiver is useless to me. I haven't actually used it since I purchased it, since I can't get it to perform what I imagined would be one of the most basic functions out there...having video and audio from an input in turn be output to the TV. Instead, almost every night I pull the thing out after my daughter has gone to sleep and spend 1+ hours trying to walk through directions provided here, reading the manual (I've read it multiple times), and troubleshooting via trial and error. Then, at the end, I unplug everything from it (since nothing works), and plug my stuff directly into the TV (since it all works).

I know this may be a lot of trouble, but it'd be hugely helpful to me. Could you post which inputs you have all of these set to, and what basic changes you made to your receiver to have them output to your TV successfully?

-JR

Originally Posted by JuiceRocket

I looked through my cable box setup menu, and I don't see anything that allows me to change the output type, all I see are the basics such as "tv speakers - stereo - advanced", digging through all of these I see no output choices. Doing some research, it appears I have to go into the "User Settings" to get to the more advanced settings which will allow me to change the HDMI audio options. There are three - "auto", "L-PCM", and "Pass Through". I'm trying to read through the 100+ page Motorola DCX3400 (my DVR) thread here on AVS to see if I can find out how to do that.



This is only one part of what I want this receiver to do - but admittedly it's a big part. I already had and was using an old Harmon Kardon receiver, but it didn't have the ability to support HDMI. Since I was finally mounting my TV, and I was tired of having multiple inputs to swap through when I watched stuff, I purchased this receiver so I could have the best in both worlds. I could use the receiver as the pass-through for all of my components (a whopping 3 - cable box, BR player, Xbox 360), and so I could switch audio for these (I could choose, when I wanted, if I wanted to use TV speakers or my 5.1 speakers).

Right now this receiver is useless to me. I haven't actually used it since I purchased it, since I can't get it to perform what I imagined would be one of the most basic functions out there...having video and audio from an input in turn be output to the TV. Instead, almost every night I pull the thing out after my daughter has gone to sleep and spend 1+ hours trying to walk through directions provided here, reading the manual (I've read it multiple times), and troubleshooting via trial and error. Then, at the end, I unplug everything from it (since nothing works), and plug my stuff directly into the TV (since it all works).



I know this may be a lot of trouble, but it'd be hugely helpful to me. Could you post which inputs you have all of these set to, and what basic changes you made to your receiver to have them output to your TV successfully?

Did you have to go through all of these specific steps in order to simply have video and audio go through your 1121 to your TV? I suppose I can switch that question - did everyone have to modify so much on their 1121 and the devices feeding into it simply to have audio/video go through the receiver to the TV?

If so, I think it should be noted on this thread that the process is fairly complicated for basic users like myself.

-JR

Originally Posted by JuiceRocket

Right now this receiver is useless to me. I haven't actually used it since I purchased it, since I can't get it to perform what I imagined would be one of the most basic functions out there...having video and audio from an input in turn be output to the TV.

Originally Posted by Charles R

Remember that your TV can't handle (most) audio formats so you can't just simply send it audio (pass through) and expect it to work. In a lot of cases you'll get no audio and it has nothing to do with the receiver rather it's a case where the TV can't decode the audio. To have any luck you'll need (in most cases) to downgrade the audio from each source to a format the TV supports. Then if you do use the receiver (not pass through) you'll end up with compromised audio at best.

Originally Posted by JonCr

That is the confusing part - I don't think I did anything special at all. My directv is hooked to input 4, which I think is HDMI 1. My Blu-ray is hooked to the Blu-ray input, my xBox is hooked to HDMI 2 (I think) and my Wii is hooked to the DVD component inputs. As far as I remember, I just hooked them to whatever input I found first and it worked. I think I turned off HDMI control and that was probably it, besides adjusting video conversion to what I wanted. I also set my directv box to output native.

Your case is pretty confusing.

Originally Posted by jgminder

Use the passthrough option and let us know if that works. That should just send the audio straight through to the receiver and let it decide what to do with it.

Originally Posted by Charles R

Remember that your TV can't handle (most) audio formats so you can't just simply send it audio (pass through) and expect it to work. In a lot of cases you'll get no audio and it has nothing to do with the receiver rather it's a case where the TV can't decode the audio. To have any luck you'll need (in most cases) to downgrade the audio from each source to a format the TV supports. Then if you do use the receiver (not pass through) you'll end up with compromised audio at best.

Originally Posted by JuiceRocket

This is very confusing to me to. The manual says I have to have Control on in order to send HDMI through to my TV via the HDMI ARC.

Is there a specific reason why the TV doesn't understand the audio coming from the receiver vs. sending it straight from the cable box?

Originally Posted by Charles R

You aren't using ARC or trying to use it. Rather it's for sending the TV's audio to your receiver.

Yes. For several possible reasons. Probably the most likely is the source is determining what to send automatically based on HDMI handshaking. So when it talks to the TV it sends stereo... when it talks to the receiver it sends HD audio... etc.

First thing you need to define is what audio formats the TV will accept. Then you need to ensure that each source is sending one of those formats. The moment you enable Pass Through the receiver is out of the loop.

Originally Posted by JuiceRocket

The TV I'm trying this with is the Panasonic TC-PC65VT30. Here is the audio information I found on it that read as directly related to HDMI. I do have the HDMI plugged into the TV's HDMI 1 (ARC) input.

Do you see anything here that would explain my challenges?

Originally Posted by Charles R

Unfortunately no. Again ARC is irrelevant to your situation since it passes the TV's audio (or what's connected directly to it) to the receiver. The opposite of what you are attempting to accomplish.

Originally Posted by Charles R

Some where they will list what formats of audio the TV accepts via HDMI. More than likely DD 5.1 (at best).

Originally Posted by Charles R

Once you know what it will accept you need to configure each source to send one of the compatible formats. Once you have accomplished that by setting the receiver to HDMI Audio Pass Through their audio and video should be passed along to the TV. So once you have the video working you can begin tackling the audio side. Until you have the video working for a source there isn't really a way to tell if you the audio is getting passed (correctly) or not.

Originally Posted by JuiceRocket

I was able to get the video to work from my cable box --> receiver --> TV. I can see video there, but I can't hear any audio out of my television.

Originally Posted by JuiceRocket



I was able to get the video to work from my cable box --> receiver --> TV. I can see video there, but I can't hear any audio out of my television.

-JR

Originally Posted by Charles R

Under the Audio Parameter menu to sure to set HDMI to THROUGH not AMP.

Specifies the routing of the HDMI audio signal out of this receiver (amp) or through to a TV. When THROUGH is selected, no sound is output from this receiver.

Originally Posted by JonCr

I'm a little confused - are you saying you can't hear audio through your AVR speakers or are you trying to pass the audio through to your TV?

Originally Posted by Marken

JR, I FINALLY got my system working. Blu-Ray, WII, X-Box and the 57H.

On the front of the receiver, right side, there is an HDMI light (red). When the 57H was on it was lit. When I changed over to the BR it would go out, and thus, no signal to the TV.

I disconnected everything and unplugged the receiver for 1/2hr. I then hooked the BR to the BD input and plugged in the receiver. The HDMI light would come on and then go out when the signal went to the TV. No pic.

I then re-did it, but this time I turned on the BR and then the receiver and then the TV. It lit and stayed lit and now it works. I then hooked up everything else and it all works.

The only problem I still have is the receiver will not output to Dolby or DTS. I have to use one of the THX settings. I'll work on that next.

The 57H is hooked up to the BDR/DVR input using component and optical and it works great.

Have you tried this at all?

Originally Posted by JuiceRocket

I'm home and about to start working on the receiver. Thought I'd respond here before I go with the hope to finally get this thing working!

Ok, I'll make sure that is set.

Sorry to confuse you, I feel like this entire thing is so confusing in general.

I'm saying that with my Time Warner DVR, I cannot get audio through my HDMI to the TV.

DVR+Receiver+AVR Speaker= Sound
DVR+Receiver+TV Speaker= No sound

-JR

Originally Posted by JonCr

Thanks for the clarification. I won't be any help with that as I've never tried to get sound at the TV speakers - I use the AVR speakers for sound 100% of the time as I think it sounds better that way. Good luck.

Originally Posted by thegraz

Repost: I think my question got lost somewhere. If anyone could help my wife would sure be happy

Does anyone know how to keep the last input selected when you turn the AVR off?

Example: I'm watching Cable in HDMI 1 and I turn off the receiver, when I turn it back on, it reverts back to TV/Sat and I have to press the HDMI button to get it back to the Cable source.

Maybe that is not the best HDMI input to plug it into? I looked on the back of the receiver and I don't see an input port for TV/Sat, even though there is a button on the remote.

I'm kinda confused on this one.

Thanks