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post #61 of 237
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^^^ Clearly your knowledge of Classic Who lore far exceeds mine. I remember bits and pieces, but most of the major plot points have faded from memory.

It's easier than you might think

The Rani was in the title of several Who stories, so that makes her easy to remember... The Meddling Monk was the first time in Doctor Who that they showed one of his own kind.. so that's relatively easy to remember (but who knows what his name was).

I just watched the War Games... and I don't think that guy got a name either... he was referred to by a nickname that I've already forgotten similarly to how I can't remember the other guy from McCoy's era...

I know the people running Doctor Who, though, are old fans... and they most assuredly do know who might be floating around out there that they could use in the new series if they want... so I would not be surprised to see someone old pop up again one day.
post #62 of 237
Don't forget Drax (I think) that Tom Baker runs into as part of the key of time series.
post #63 of 237
Last night's episode was simply wonderful.
post #64 of 237
Yea a good episode and the next one looks good as well. The pirate episode was just horrible!
post #65 of 237
Note that The Doctor mentions in this episode that The Corsair regenerated as a woman a couple of times, thereby establising that yes, a Time Lord can change genders during regeneration. End of that debate, I suppose.
post #66 of 237
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Note that The Doctor mentions in this episode that The Corsair regenerated as a woman a couple of times, thereby establising that yes, a Time Lord can change genders during regeneration. End of that debate, I suppose.

Maybe... or maybe not. The Doctor has also said that Captain Jack becomes the Face of Boe... and his age changed wildly in the old series... and he says all the Time Lords are dead... but they aren't. I mean, they really aren't... they are locked in perpetual war (they showed it)... and of course though the Daleks have been dead several times, they keep coming back... and on an episode of Sarah Jane Adventures the Doctor mentioned having far more than 12 regenerations.

Basically... don't accept anything as long-term truth, as everything is subject to change.

For people to decide that comment establishes that the Doctor could regenerate into a woman, means they would have to accept all the other stuff that they choose to reject as being meant in jest.
post #67 of 237
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The Doctor has also said that Captain Jack becomes the Face of Boe.

I don't believe this is true. As I recall, it is never said explicitly, only hinted at, when Captain Jack said he used to be called 'the face of Boe' as a kid. It's actually supposed to be a bit of a joke that they never say one way or another. Even Russel T Davies waffles on the issue to keep it a mystery.
post #68 of 237
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I don't believe this is true. As I recall, it is never said explicitly, only hinted at, when Captain Jack said he used to be called 'the face of Boe' as a kid. It's actually supposed to be a bit of a joke that they never say one way or another. Even Russel T Davies waffles on the issue to keep it a mystery.

That's sort of my point, though... that you have to be careful taking things seriously, because they give the Doctor all kinds of crazy throwaway dialog for a laugh.

IF one is to believe that Time Lords can change gender just because the Doctor made an offhand remark quickly... then you kind of have to believe the conversation he had with Martha regarding the Face of Boe. IF you take the approach that the Boe thing was meant as a joke and to give people something to talk about... then you similarly ought to take the gender-change reference with a grain of salt.

FYI... I don't know how I would feel if suddenly it was revealed conclusively that Time Lords could change gender. It wouldn't bother me as a person... but it would be strange to have a species of advanced humanoid do it. Our examples in the real world tend to be lower order of life (like frogs or maybe a fish or some kind I think)... and those life forms tend to do it because of a need to do it... not a whim.

The Doctor makes it sound like a whim to change gender (if true)... and that would seem counter-productive to the preservation of a race if people changed gender on a whim.
post #69 of 237
This last episode I thought was fairly mediocre. It really didn't need a 2 part episode.
post #70 of 237
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Roy Skelton (voice of Daleks) has passed away at age 79: http://www.aoltv.com/2011/06/08/roy-skelton-doctor-who/.
post #71 of 237
Cool season break ..... did not disappoint!!!
post #72 of 237
Although the big reveal at the end was interesting, my fav part was Rory confronting the Cybermen as their fleet disintegrates in front of them.
post #73 of 237
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Although the big reveal at the end was interesting, my fav part was Rory confronting the Cybermen as their fleet disintegrates in front of them.

This!



Absolutely!!!


Doug
post #74 of 237
An interesting twist that the baddies viewed the Doctor as a warrior/destroyer because I've always felt that the new Doctors have been a bit arrogant. He's always proclaiming himself and threatening his enemies with "I'm the DOCTOR!"
post #75 of 237
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An interesting twist that the baddies viewed the Doctor as a warrior/destroyer because I've always felt that the new Doctors have been a bit arrogant. He's always proclaiming himself and threatening his enemies with "I'm the DOCTOR!"
Bunch of empty threats since he never actually kills anyone (Cybermen apparently don't count). And since he doesn't have any weapons, how did he destroy those spaceships? Kind of preposterous, even for Dr. Who and that's saying a lot. But a nifty CGI visual nonetheless.
post #76 of 237
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An interesting twist that the baddies viewed the Doctor as a warrior/destroyer because I've always felt that the new Doctors have been a bit arrogant. He's always proclaiming himself and threatening his enemies with "I'm the DOCTOR!"

Well, he did wipeout two entire races (more or less) by going 'nuclear' to end the 'time war.' But, Then again, nothing ever seems to be "final."

The point being that he has the power to literally wipeout all of existance, but always tries to use the most minimal amount of force necessary to resolve a crisis ... and prefers to not use force at all.
post #77 of 237
Ok who wants a Centurion Nurse?
post #78 of 237
Yeah! Alex Kingston!!!!! River!!!
post #79 of 237
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Yeah! Alex Kingston!!!!! River!!!

Still the question left of who the 'good man' she killed (from the Angles episode last year) and was being jailed for.

I though the mid-season finale was rushed, but the reveal at the end was crazy yet should have been so obvious.
post #80 of 237
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Still the question left of who the 'good man' she killed (from the Angles episode last year) and was being jailed for.

Ehh ... the title of the last episode ("A Good Man Goes to War") just might be a clue. Of course, with all things Dr.?, the details always seem to defy expectations.
post #81 of 237
There's no reasonable answer yet as to whom she might have killed.

Her jailers seem to be the religious order... that same order who is currently trying to fight the Doctor... so why would they jail her for killing him? For that matter, why would anyone but Gallifrey (currently in limbo) or Unit on Earth jail anyone for killing the Doctor?

That leaves Rory... kind of the same thing... unless she kills Rory while on Earth or in an Earth-jurisdiction... why would she be jailed for killing him?

She's going to have to kill someone that it is relevant for her to kill AND illegal for her to kill at the time and place she does it.

I have this feeling like we are going to be disappointed at whatever that reveal turns out to be.
post #82 of 237
^^^ I think "we" maybe thinking too "linearly" in time.

Another hint from episode one: "It's ok ... I know who you are."

Several times hinted: 'His future is my past.'

Then again: Dr.? is famous for it's misdirections.
post #83 of 237
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^^^ I think "we" maybe thinking too "linearly" in time.

Another hint from episode one: "It's ok ... I know who you are."

Several times hinted: 'His future is my past.'

Then again: Dr.? is famous for it's misdirections.

River is in jail in the future... the Stormcage is a future prison... so one would assume she serves her sentence in that future time... though she hops around a bit and takes breaks.

I don't see how anything I said is invalid, though. Most people on Earth don't know the Doctor... and if his body is destroyed after death and he is an alien anyway, it's not likely someone on Earth would get a prison sentence for killing him.

I honestly think some of this has been seat-of-your-pants writing.

Initially River and the Doctor are said to "meet in the wrong order"... but somehow that has morphed to "meeting in reverse order"... which, actually, based on some rumors doesn't appear like it will always be true...

In fact, it already isn't true because he has met adult River and baby River... so that right there is not completely back-to-front meeting...

So we are back to the just meeting out of order... not exactly in reverse order...

And whatever the way out of the episode 1 scenario... I know it will be a letdown, because it has to be a cheat somehow.

No way they leave it that the Doctor is killed and that's the end.

So... either he does something to fake his death and leaves when no one is looking OR he does a ganger swap and that isn't him dying after all OR they create a paradox by actually changing the events of that point in time... However they do it, it will be some form of cheat... so I'm actually not looking forward to that specific bit of the story unfolding.
post #84 of 237
You could argue that if the young River was in the Space suit in the season's first episode, It could be a slightly older version of her that kills the Doctor in Nevada.

I have been hoping there was an explaination for that event that involved a second Doctor such as in the Flesh episode, but the Flesh Doctor melted/appeared to dissolve when activating the sonic screwdriver (unless it regenerates, but it should be into a new Doctor, not another copy of Matt Smith).
post #85 of 237
Thread Starter 
Comic-Con 2011 Notes
Doctor Who' Comes to Comic-Con 2011 (Plus New Trailer)
By Michelle Kung, Wall Street Journal's 'Speakeasy' Blog - July 24th, 2011

Dedicated Doctor Who fans flooded Hall H at Comic-Con Sunday morning to watch actors Matt Smith and Karen Gillan, plus executive producers Piers Wenger and Beth Willis, talk about the sci-fi series. In addition to rehashing old stories, the panel also previewed clips from the upcoming season, which returns Aug. 26 on BBC America. Among the highlights:
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Rory punching out Adolf Hitler, the return of River Song (with an eyepatch), an old Amy Pond and more of the Weeping Angels.
(Watch the trailer at the bottom of the post; CLICK LINK)

Writer Toby Whithouse, who was also in attendance, spoke specifically to an upcoming episode he wrote, entitled The God Complex. Scheduled as the fourth episode in, the returning show
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will make sure of Greek mythology, he said, and features a Shining-esque hallway and a sad clown. He also teased that the show will probably address the issue of the impossible astronaut killing the Doctor at some point.


Some more tidbits from the panel and Q&A session (two of which were asked by fans in Dalek costumes):

- Karen Gillan and Matt Smith were originally given a dummy ending to the mid-season finale. Only actress Alex Kingston, who plays River Song, knew the truth about her character.

- Whithouse still gets excited to write Interior: Tardis in his Who scripts. He added that guest writer Neil Gaiman felt the same way, and the producers left his parenthetical I've been waiting my whole life to write that in the script for his episode.

- Whithouse also wishes he didn't always know in advance what the plot will be, because he prefers to watch as a fan. I love the show as a viewer, he said, adding that showrunner Steven Moffat, if one couldn't tel, loves curveballs.

- Smith said that on his first day as a Doctor, production gave him a manual about operating the Tardis and he taught Gillan how to fly the machine. We spent hours just fiddling around, he said. Yeah, the Tardis never gets boring.

- When asked what their favorite alien race was, Gillan said the Sisters of Plenitude (a.k.a the cats) while Smith said the Weeping Angels. Gillan also said her favorite doctor, aside from Smith, was Christopher Eccleston, while Smith hedged his answer a bit.

- When asked by a young girl dressed as a Weeping Angel whether the Doctor would ever regenerate into a woman, Wenger said he thought the character of River Song had stolen the thunder of any female Doctor.

- If the actors could stage a cross-over with any other shows, Smith would mesh the show with True Blood or The Big Bang Theory, while Gillan chose Star Trek: The Next Generation. Gillan is apparently such a ST: TNG fan, she told Wil Wheaton at a party how much she enjoyed meeting Brent Spiner.

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/...ogle_news_blog
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post #87 of 237
Well, that looks like an entertaining and action packed 2nd half of the season. I can't wait!
post #88 of 237
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Gillan is apparently such a ST: TNG fan, she told Wil Wheaton at a party how much she enjoyed meeting Brent Spiner.

The funny part of this being, by implication, she didn't tell Wheaton how much she enjoyed meeting him.
post #89 of 237
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The funny part of this being, by implication, she didn't tell Wheaton how much she enjoyed meeting him.

Yeah... that's the definition of the awkward conversation from Wheaton's perspective... she's all excited about that other Star Trek actor she just met.

Must be how pretty much everyone but Nimoy, Shatner, and Deforest Kelley felt from the original series.
post #90 of 237
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Yeah... that's the definition of the awkward conversation from Wheaton's perspective... she's all excited about that other Star Trek actor she just met.

But can you blame her? I mean, who wants to meet Wesley Crusher?
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