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post #451 of 1116
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Originally Posted by Mauri View Post

This year, on the main AV italian forum, the LG plasma 2011 threads are really sleeping. People are just enjoying them. Owners of the samsung plasma (D6900 & D8000) are also very happy. I can't say the same thing about the panasonic threads: a lot of problems with panels, expecially on the expensive VT30 models. The manufacturer and the service centers know them, but they say always "it is normal".

Sad but probably true, and may be the same for here. I've seen the Panasonic VT30, GT30 and the Samsung 8000 and they did look very good but everyday there are more and more posts with problems and that is "sad".
I believe LG had a bad run on the PX990s last year but other than that there appear to be a lot less disgruntled customers by ratio with LG, outside the odd screen with DSE or 3D crosstalk and if you accept LG's slightly higher black levels all is good.
post #452 of 1116
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Originally Posted by rob80b View Post

If the luminosity of the whole grey scale has been properly calibrated medium gamma should be spot on, a big stumbling block when trying to get neutral grey for each step is that, if the top has been calibrated too dark or the bottom half of the grey scale too light the gamma then needs to be shifted which then introduces other problems with colour saturation, crushed blacks or grey blacks And of course things get really messy if the luminosity varies along the whole grey scale causing strange colour aberrations when least expected, green shadows, red highlights etc.
When I tried a few posted calibrations on my PX950 one required the gamma set high while another at low and the grey scale was never quite right, so far I've found the THX preset with a medium gamma and bit of tweaking the best compromise barring a full calibration, but that's on "my" PX950.

For those who are curious; if you haven't done so already get a calibration disc, DVD or blu-ray, (a computer or laptop will not do unless you can bypass its' internal video card) then get into the expert mode (8741) and play around with the 20 or 2 point IRE settings while having a greyscale displayed to see how the adjustment affect the colour shift and luminance of each segment. The colour and tint settings under Colour management are more global, but these can never be adjusted properly without the grey scale being exact or as close to neutral as possible. And of course you'll have to adjust the brightness and contrast again and then more tweaking as every parameter affects the other.
Again using the analogy to audio, brightness being volume, contrast to a tone control and the 20 point IRE to a 20 pot graphic equalizer but with separate frequency adjustments for each tone.

After you've really messed things up you can always hit reset and start again.
If you do get the hang of it (calibrating) do not get too hung up on the details as the controls are never quite linear and do not always work the way they should, so an absolute perfect calibration is almost impossible on consumer sets.

My PZ950 mimics my old PX950 with gamma. The best greyscale values are achieved with High Gamma, even post isf calibration. It can also be done with medium gamma, but I have found that black levels suffer. Using low gamma almost completely washes out the screen in grey.

There has never been a CNET setting that has ever looked good on any of my sets. I take their calibrations with a bit of salt. I'm going to try what they posted and see what it looks like however.
post #453 of 1116
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

My PZ950 mimics my old PX950 with gamma. The best greyscale values are achieved with High Gamma, even post isf calibration. It can also be done with medium gamma, but I have found that black levels suffer. Using low gamma almost completely washes out the screen in grey.

Hi bhazard,

Sometimes it can get a bit tricky, I find a medium gamma is still the best compromise because not all films, broadcasts or streamed material are equal in quality.
A high gamma can make blacks look blacker but I find it tends to crush shadow detail on films which have a higher contrast to begin with but it can do wonders with films that appear grayer overall.
If your picky like me I've on more than one occasion changed the gamma, contrast and or brightness to compensate for bad film transfers.
post #454 of 1116
CNET's settings are actually quite good. They are very natural, but a little too green on my set. It is my first choice of settings now, but I use a modified FlatpanelHD setting for when I want more punch to the picture.

The plus side of CNET's settings is that there are no crushed blacks, where High Gamma, Wide color FlatpanelHD settings crush black a bit for a lower black level.
post #455 of 1116
Just a quick thanks to ALL u guys for all the helpful and insightful stuff. Yes...Even Turrican4! LOL. I've picked up some cool tv/plasma lingo and tekkie knowledge so keep those posts comin.

Here is a link I thought I would repost, that's from this forum, to that free hd calibration disc download-since we are on the topic of settings and calibration. There is a Blue Screen filter (i guess can take the place of the thx blue tint glasses) on this tv that I used with the disc and it worked pretty nicely.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496

Peace
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post #457 of 1116
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Originally Posted by rob80b View Post
If your picky like me I've on more than one occasion changed the gamma, contrast and or brightness to compensate for bad film transfers.
I rather get angry at bad discs than adjusting my calibration.

Oh and for the gamma: Yes, the LG can be quiet a bitch, when you try to get everything right with the 20point-control, you get banding, you get discoloration, strange looking faces etc., but it can be done all great if one invest enough time.

For example, the greyshades between the twenty points, may it be at IRE32 or IRE67, are not alway falling automatically in the right place, so you need real movie content for them instead of testpatterns.

For example, to adjust the shades from IRE50 to IRE100 I mainly used the BD of "The Fog", cause the moving fog is wonderful to search for errors in this area.

For IRE35 to IRE45 I used "DVE HD Basics"-BD, especially the curtain-sequence.

For the finetuning of IRE5 (over here in germany whe don't have the IRE0-trigger, so you have to search for a balance from IRE0 up to IRE8) I used the last chapter of "Inception", but the BD of "Narnia" will also reveal, if you see all the shadow detail.

"The Incredibles" is perfect for checking IRE10 to IRE30.

No, no, no, I didn't spil my whole calibration! For example, if Red +5, +4, +3, +2, +1 for IRE50 don't seem to change D65 just for the IRE50-pattern, it can have a big impact on IRE48 just by setting Red one notch up.

That's the way I got rid of most of my bandings with my PK350 - if I had used the APL patterns from the start instead of the window patterns, I could have saved a lot of my time though.
post #458 of 1116
Here is a link I thought I'd post to some question and answer sessions from owners of pz950 and LG Support Reps...

http://answers.lg.com/answers/7676/p...uestion=589541
post #459 of 1116
Just bumped into this deal from Amazon on 2 pair of glasses with cleaning cloth for $114.95...in stock.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005IP...SIN=B005IPM76W
post #460 of 1116
can anyone find your tv from your tablet/phone when you want to push DLNA stuff? Also when I select Input, I can only see AV, my scart (Wii) and my HDMI (receiver) but DLNA is Greyed Out!

(it has worked in the past before all firmware updates)

It is annoying because i dont know how to force it either. PS LG apps/plex client/you tube works fine
post #461 of 1116
Hi, i'm a Philips Pronto user and am trying to find the IR HEX for the 3D button. I have the LW9500 LCD panel and have enabled the 3D function, however the included remote does not have this button, so it has to be turned on either via the Magic motion Remote or through the display menu.

If anyone has the ability to learn the IR HEX code for the 3D button, i'd really appreciate it if someone could send it to me.

Cheers!
post #462 of 1116
no one with the DLNA issue?
post #463 of 1116
Hello. I was wondering if anyone could confirm what the screen looks like on the PZ950 when you connect a PC/laptop to it. I had the new Samsung PN51D7000 until I saw how it looked with a PC display. When you open up Notepad for example, the screen would be a grayish white. Minimize Notepad and the screen pops with vibrant, bright color. I dragged the notepad window off the screen, then as I drug it back, the screen slowly but surely reacted to the bright white Notepad window, turning it eventually into the grayish white I mentioned earlier. You couldn't turn it off. Even had a tech come to my house. He was baffled by it. Samsung was no help whatsoever, so that Sammy got sent back. Anyway, to make a long story short, if I buy a TV and want to see white, that's what I want to see.....not grayish white. Does the PZ950 have any kind of auto dimming/auto brightness "feature" that can't be turned off? Can someone that has connected a PC/Laptop confirm? This TV isn't available in my local stores, and I want to try to avoid buying another TV sight unseen again. Thanks
post #464 of 1116
I've had a 60PZ950 for about a week now. It has a beautiful picture, particularly the colors, but I am seeing fluctuating brightness on a variety of sources (DVD, BR, Cable). It usually happens during or immediately after camera pans or cuts and is very distracting to my eyes. I see it in every mode and have tried turning on and off all the processing functions (Dynamic contrast etc.).

Is this set a lemon? Or, does it just need some breaking in? This is my 3rd set so far through Amazon (had two HX929s that were great except for the dreaded 'crease'). My next option would be a 60" NX720, but I'd love to stick with the LG as it has the best value of all the sets and the colors are incredible.

Any thoughts?
post #465 of 1116
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Originally Posted by candler View Post

Hello. I was wondering if anyone could confirm what the screen looks like on the PZ950 when you connect a PC/laptop to it. I had the new Samsung PN51D7000 until I saw how it looked with a PC display. When you open up Notepad for example, the screen would be a grayish white. Minimize Notepad and the screen pops with vibrant, bright color. I dragged the notepad window off the screen, then as I drug it back, the screen slowly but surely reacted to the bright white Notepad window, turning it eventually into the grayish white I mentioned earlier. You couldn't turn it off. Even had a tech come to my house. He was baffled by it. Samsung was no help whatsoever, so that Sammy got sent back. Anyway, to make a long story short, if I buy a TV and want to see white, that's what I want to see.....not grayish white. Does the PZ950 have any kind of auto dimming/auto brightness "feature" that can't be turned off? Can someone that has connected a PC/Laptop confirm? This TV isn't available in my local stores, and I want to try to avoid buying another TV sight unseen again. Thanks

It is because of the ABL (Auto brightness limiter) circuit, all plasma have one (you can't change the way they work). Read this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1347781
post #466 of 1116
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Originally Posted by rmaurer View Post

I've had a 60PZ950 for about a week now. It has a beautiful picture, particularly the colors, but I am seeing fluctuating brightness on a variety of sources (DVD, BR, Cable). It usually happens during or immediately after camera pans or cuts and is very distracting to my eyes. I see it in every mode and have tried turning on and off all the processing functions (Dynamic contrast etc.).

Is this set a lemon? Or, does it just need some breaking in? This is my 3rd set so far through Amazon (had two HX929s that were great except for the dreaded 'crease'). My next option would be a 60" NX720, but I'd love to stick with the LG as it has the best value of all the sets and the colors are incredible.

Any thoughts?

I don't remember to have read on the pz950 reviews that they have an auto-dimming feature, but I'm not 100% sure about that. Get it properly calibrated, because it could be the ABL circuit (see my previous post). Try these settings: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=414 - and be sure all the processing options (dynamic contrast and so on) are turned off.

Sometimes something strange could happen because of a cheap HDMI cable.
post #467 of 1116
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Originally Posted by rmaurer View Post

I've had a 60PZ950 for about a week now. It has a beautiful picture, particularly the colors, but I am seeing fluctuating brightness on a variety of sources (DVD, BR, Cable). It usually happens during or immediately after camera pans or cuts and is very distracting to my eyes. I see it in every mode and have tried turning on and off all the processing functions (Dynamic contrast etc.).

Is this set a lemon? Or, does it just need some breaking in? This is my 3rd set so far through Amazon (had two HX929s that were great except for the dreaded 'crease'). My next option would be a 60" NX720, but I'd love to stick with the LG as it has the best value of all the sets and the colors are incredible.

Any thoughts?

Hi rmaure

Which picture modes are you using, they should be already defeated in the THX modes, but just to check you can enter code 8741 to get into the advanced settings, this code also will lock you're expert settings and as Mauri mentioned "and be sure all the processing options (dynamic contrast and so on) are turned off.", also check that energy saving is off. You probably already know this but each input has to be adjusted individually, they are not turned off globally.
post #468 of 1116
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Originally Posted by candler View Post

Hello. I was wondering if anyone could confirm what the screen looks like on the PZ950 when you connect a PC/laptop to it. I had the new Samsung PN51D7000 until I saw how it looked with a PC display. When you open up Notepad for example, the screen would be a grayish white. Minimize Notepad and the screen pops with vibrant, bright color. I dragged the notepad window off the screen, then as I drug it back, the screen slowly but surely reacted to the bright white Notepad window, turning it eventually into the grayish white I mentioned earlier. You couldn't turn it off. Even had a tech come to my house. He was baffled by it. Samsung was no help whatsoever, so that Sammy got sent back. Anyway, to make a long story short, if I buy a TV and want to see white, that's what I want to see.....not grayish white. Does the PZ950 have any kind of auto dimming/auto brightness "feature" that can't be turned off? Can someone that has connected a PC/Laptop confirm? This TV isn't available in my local stores, and I want to try to avoid buying another TV sight unseen again. Thanks

Hi Candler

"Anyway, to make a long story short, if I buy a TV and want to see white, that's what I want to see.....not grayish white." if you're comparing it to a PC/laptop screen it's never going to happen. The problem lies in that people see a big screen, hear about how wonderful the picture is on plasmas and expect the same if they use it as a computer monitor. Plasma's strengths are recognized when watching movies, they were not designed as a desktop extension or gaming, I’m not even sure they were intended for watching regular TV on, but manufacturers have made great gains in trying to satisfy the general public (consumer) but there is only so much you can do with a specific technology. Pioneer’s Kuro are still regarded as the benchmark in terms of plasma picture quality, at least in terms of black, but I do not remember anyone even thinking of using them as a computer screen for doing word processing.
The drastic reduction in price over the last few years for large screen displays has definitely been an incentive to add extra real-estate to your computer enjoyment, but one has to be aware of the limitations and their initial intended use, especially plasmas.
Having said that you could calibrate your PC/laptop monitor to better match the plasma, I spent years specializing in desktop publishing, monitor calibration was paramount, and believe me a properly calibrated screen is never white.
post #469 of 1116
Fluctuating brightness on this set would be caused by Energy Saving Modes being on, as well as the "Intelligent Sensor" being on which dims/brightens the picture according to how bright the area is. Turn them both off and the screen does not fluctuate at all.
post #470 of 1116
Thanks bhazard and rob80b.

I know that plasmas probably won't ever be as white as I would like, but I don't like a manufacturer putting in an auto dimming feature that you can't turn off. That Samsung was that way. The picture was the best I'd ever seen with Blu-Ray, Roku, Over the air HDTV, etc. It actually looked good with my laptop connected to it until I dragged a big ol' notepad across the screen. We use the laptop to look at YouTube for the kids (Sesame Street, etc), and just general web browsing. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if the PZ950 can have its intelligent sensor turned off and whites look close to being white as a plasma can produce, then I'm happy. The Samsung was blatantly grayish-white. Even the tech that came out to look at it was baffled that it couldn't be turned off in any menu. The Samsung had an "Eco-Mode", which is probably the same as the intelligent sensor, but turning it off or on had no effect, and the tech didn't see anything in the service menu to turn it off either. I sent that TV back. Now I have another broken Samsung DLP sitting in the floor with a bad DMD board. Samsung phone tech support was of no use with either TV. Needless to say, Samsung won't be getting any more of my money. I could probably go LCD/LED, but when I had that Samsung, I enjoyed not seeing motion artifacts and blur with live sporting events.
post #471 of 1116
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Originally Posted by candler View Post

Thanks bhazard and rob80b.

I know that plasmas probably won't ever be as white as I would like, but I don't like a manufacturer putting in an auto dimming feature that you can't turn off. That Samsung was that way. The picture was the best I'd ever seen with Blu-Ray, Roku, Over the air HDTV, etc. It actually looked good with my laptop connected to it until I dragged a big ol' notepad across the screen. We use the laptop to look at YouTube for the kids (Sesame Street, etc), and just general web browsing. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if the PZ950 can have its intelligent sensor turned off and whites look close to being white as a plasma can produce, then I'm happy. The Samsung was blatantly grayish-white. Even the tech that came out to look at it was baffled that it couldn't be turned off in any menu. The Samsung had an "Eco-Mode", which is probably the same as the intelligent sensor, but turning it off or on had no effect, and the tech didn't see anything in the service menu to turn it off either. I sent that TV back. Now I have another broken Samsung DLP sitting in the floor with a bad DMD board. Samsung phone tech support was of no use with either TV. Needless to say, Samsung won't be getting any more of my money. I could probably go LCD/LED, but when I had that Samsung, I enjoyed not seeing motion artifacts and blur with live sporting events.

Intelligent Sensor can be turned off. Its under the energy saving menu. Just set Energy Saving to OFF.

Remember to do this on every input and AV mode you use though. I'm running HDMI from my PC to my receiver, and HDMI from the receiver to the TV. The TV does not fluctuate brightness at all.
post #472 of 1116
For those who might have a little buyers remorse thinking I should have gotten the .. instead of the LG think again.

The following is from just one page from today:Official Panasonic 2011 TC-PxxVT30 Series Thread Discussion Thread

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...331665&page=58

1.Has anyone else noticed a slight bright spot in the center, visible pretty much only when looking at a bright solid color screen? I have a call in to Panasonic about it. Having already had the fbr issue fixed, I'm not looking for any more problems. But I don't think it's supposed to be there.

2. I've had my 55VT30 for a week or so now, swapping it in for a PN59D8000 that wouldn't stop buzzing. When watching movies in the dark (which is almost a must, due to the significant reflections that the glass panel give off), the letterbox bars are rather bright (using THX mode, with Dark gamma, brightness set low, etc). For a TV supposedly having one of the best black levels of any TV, I am somewhat surprised by the amount of light emitted by the black areas. Granted, the Samsung was no better

3. I agree that the VT30 is practically a mirror in regards to glare.

4. I have used a few of these settings and none of them look quite right. Tweaking it from there seems to work better. One thing I noticed, however, is that when I put the brightness to 55 or higher, I notice a huge spike in noise when viewing a black screen. Is this normal?


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post #473 of 1116
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Originally Posted by rob80b View Post

For those who might have a little buyers remorse thinking I should have gotten the .. instead of the LG think again.

The following is from just one page from today:Official Panasonic 2011 TC-PxxVT30 Series Thread Discussion Thread

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...331665&page=58

1.Has anyone else noticed a slight bright spot in the center, visible pretty much only when looking at a bright solid color screen? I have a call in to Panasonic about it. Having already had the fbr issue fixed, I'm not looking for any more problems. But I don't think it's supposed to be there.

2. I've had my 55VT30 for a week or so now, swapping it in for a PN59D8000 that wouldn't stop buzzing. When watching movies in the dark (which is almost a must, due to the significant reflections that the glass panel give off), the letterbox bars are rather bright (using THX mode, with Dark gamma, brightness set low, etc). For a TV supposedly having one of the best black levels of any TV, I am somewhat surprised by the amount of light emitted by the black areas. Granted, the Samsung was no better

3. I agree that the VT30 is practically a mirror in regards to glare.

4. I have used a few of these settings and none of them look quite right. Tweaking it from there seems to work better. One thing I noticed, however, is that when I put the brightness to 55 or higher, I notice a huge spike in noise when viewing a black screen. Is this normal?


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Hi Rob...

There are even dedicated Threads to that brand's fluctuating brightness and gamma issues. Also tons of YouTube vids on almost of their models from this year alone!
post #474 of 1116
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Originally Posted by derod68 View Post

Hi Rob...

There are even dedicated Threads to that brand's fluctuating brightness and gamma issues. Also tons of YouTube vids on almost of their models from this year alone!

I know, and I'm not knocking the competition as I have seen the GT30, VT30 and the Samsung D8000 and they look great but it gets a bit disconcerting when I see these posts day in day out.
It sort of gets a bit lonely around these LG forums because they do not attract the "same sort" of constant attention
post #475 of 1116
Can anyone post their opinion on input lag on this set? More specifically with COD BLACK OPS on XBOX 360. I know was an issue on the PZ750 but haven't tried yet on PZ950. I don't think here might be cuz I haven't seen any complaints about it. If so, do you play on game mode? I also play NBA 2K11 and anxious to try in 3D!
post #476 of 1116
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Can anyone post their opinion on input lag on this set?
I've gamed a couple hundred hours at LEAST on my 360 and have never been able to detect lag. I use a Monster Game HDMI to the TV, then the optical output back to my receiver. I do use the Game Mode on the TV and am VERY happy with the game performance/lack of lag.

I've seen a BIG difference with the rated lag in a couple of reviews. I think it was the flatpanelshd review that gave it a very good rating with something like 35ms lag but another review, I can't remember which one, gave it poor marks with around 100ms lag. Big difference! I definately think the 100ms was way off as I can tell no real difference between playing on my XBR9 or the PZ. I play a lot of different games, Halo:Reach, Forza 3, Dirt 3, some XBL arcade games, etc.. and they all look amazing on the PZ. I think shooters would most likely show lag when trying to pull off quick head shots or sniper kills but I have had no issues with delay.
post #477 of 1116
I just moved from the PX60950 to the PZ60950. It was an replacement by LG (honestly they provided superior support for the DSE issue). I'd been using the PX for 8 months.

So now I'm in the first 25 hours of running the breakin slides as I did before with the PX, with occasional viewing of a Blu-ray or TV show at night. The picture setting is on THX Cinema, as it was always for the PX.

Have to say that so far I'm not impressed with the PZ compared to the PX. The latter was significantly sharper for TV shows in HD. This is a disappointment since I've heard many say that the PZ PQ is better.

It this just a break-in thing? What can I do to not regret "upgrading" to the PZ?
post #478 of 1116
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Originally Posted by Zsoltan54 View Post
I just moved from the PX60950 to the PZ60950. It was an replacement by LG (honestly they provided superior support for the DSE issue). I'd been using the PX for 8 months.

So now I'm in the first 25 hours of running the breakin slides as I did before with the PX, with occasional viewing of a Blu-ray or TV show at night. The picture setting is on THX Cinema, as it was always for the PX.

Have to say that so far I'm not impressed with the PZ compared to the PX. The latter was significantly sharper for TV shows in HD. This is a disappointment since I've heard many say that the PZ PQ is better.

It this just a break-in thing? What can I do to not regret "upgrading" to the PZ?
Hi Zsoltan

Looking through your other posts you had reported that you had previously similar problems with the PX950 using the Onkyo TX-NR809 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=20796883 , did you double check your settings? Or the Pz could have possibly not been calibrated for optimum sharpness at the factory, try adjusting the sharpness controls in the THX mode (code 8741) to see if that helps. If you're satisfied with the sharpness with BD the problem may lie elsewhere than your PZ950.
post #479 of 1116
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Originally Posted by Zsoltan54 View Post

It this just a break-in thing? What can I do to not regret "upgrading" to the PZ?

I kind of agree with Rob. Have you taken your receiver out of the loop to see if it makes a difference? The only thing I did for breaking in was run in APS mode for the first 200 hours to reduce the brightness, only viewed HD programming, and avoided static images. I personally only use THX Cinema for certain movies as it makes regular HD programming look dull to me. Even the out of the box "Standard" mode looks better on most HD material (tv/science,entertainment shows) in my opinion. I have my DirecTV receiver hooked to the PZ direct with optical back to my Pioneer Elite receiver with amazing picture quality on all HD content. Play with your settings some and hopefully you can get the picture where it should be. (1340 hours and still happy! )
post #480 of 1116
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Originally Posted by 1CoolDad View Post


I've gamed a couple hundred hours at LEAST on my 360 and have never been able to detect lag. I use a Monster Game HDMI to the TV, then the optical output back to my receiver. I do use the Game Mode on the TV and am VERY happy with the game performance/lack of lag.

I've seen a BIG difference with the rated lag in a couple of reviews. I think it was the flatpanelshd review that gave it a very good rating with something like 35ms lag but another review, I can't remember which one, gave it poor marks with around 100ms lag. Big difference! I definately think the 100ms was way off as I can tell no real difference between playing on my XBR9 or the PZ. I play a lot of different games, Halo:Reach, Forza 3, Dirt 3, some XBL arcade games, etc.. and they all look amazing on the PZ. I think shooters would most likely show lag when trying to pull off quick head shots or sniper kills but I have had no issues with delay.

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Originally Posted by 1CoolDad View Post


I've gamed a couple hundred hours at LEAST on my 360 and have never been able to detect lag. I use a Monster Game HDMI to the TV, then the optical output back to my receiver. I do use the Game Mode on the TV and am VERY happy with the game performance/lack of lag.

I've seen a BIG difference with the rated lag in a couple of reviews. I think it was the flatpanelshd review that gave it a very good rating with something like 35ms lag but another review, I can't remember which one, gave it poor marks with around 100ms lag. Big difference! I definately think the 100ms was way off as I can tell no real difference between playing on my XBR9 or the PZ. I play a lot of different games, Halo:Reach, Forza 3, Dirt 3, some XBL arcade games, etc.. and they all look amazing on the PZ. I think shooters would most likely show lag when trying to pull off quick head shots or sniper kills but I have had no issues with delay.

I hope it's good cause I should be getting our place around Nov. 1st, (stoked) just in time for MW3, but not in time for GEARS

Can't wait to take my PZ outta hibernation!! Sucks using my mom's 32 inch Samsung 4:3 HD Set but I am forever grateful none the less!

Hopefully I can post some images of set/home theater with my new iPhone 5...LOL

Peace man and you rock!
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