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post #841 of 1116
Pz750,

I have another question for you. Noise level reduction, I saw you have that on low. I heard that noise level reduction actually reduces the PQ. I don't even know what it does, but I saw many ifs settings with being it on off.
post #842 of 1116
First of all, I love the My lg 60pz950. I read a lot of reviews on amazon and other sites, I went to best buy magnolia stor to compare panny vt, samsung and the LG. all three tvs where next to each other and I loved this one in PQ and the most.

I have noticed one thing while watching basketball in hd and sometimes football. Around the moving players I have these fuzzy pixels/ squares. It happens on my 26 inch Samsung as well I think, but that thing is so small it is hard to tell. This is my first large tv set, so I'm a newbie. So I'm wondering if it's the tv or AT&T's signal quality?

Thanks
post #843 of 1116
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Originally Posted by TheAnalyst13 View Post

I have noticed one thing while watching basketball in hd and sometimes football. Around the moving players I have these fuzzy pixels/ squares. It happens on my 26 inch Samsung as well I think, but that thing is so small it is hard to tell. This is my first large tv set, so I'm a newbie. So I'm wondering if it's the tv or AT&T's signal quality?

Thanks

I think the pixelation is a product of HD signal compression. I have Directv and noticed it most around a fast moving soccer ball and was starting to hate my TV. When I checked it with a DVD of similar game play, it pretty much disappeared. I suspect if I had a soccer bluray, it would be completely smooth. Now I am only disappointed in my TV for several other reasons.
post #844 of 1116
I wanted to get the lowdown on these PZ950s (and even the PZ750 for that matter). Since our Sony LCD is broken we're now looking and actually going by B.B today so the wife can see first hand. I went earlier in the week and had a fairly good conversation with the Magnolia Rep on Plasmas. I didn't have a lot of time and mainly just touched on the Panasonic models and a few Samsungs. Did not get around to the PZ950.

However I did pull up some reviews and the one negative is the "black level" or at least what I read. I've seen some pretty good prices on this set considering it's LG's Fagship model comapred to the Panasonic VT and Samsung 7000 & 8000 models. Right now the Pnasonic GT series is my choice but I always leave all options open. We've never had 3D so this is ne and I like the Panny models for 2D to 3D conversion. I did like the Panny GT for it's less glaring panel. Movies, gaming and occsional broadcasting (AT&T U-verse) since this is Rec Room use. Thanks for any input.


Kenny J
Nashville TN
post #845 of 1116
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Originally Posted by DR.DTS View Post

I wanted to get the lowdown on these PZ950s (and even the PZ750 for that matter). Since our Sony LCD is broken we're now looking and actually going by B.B today so the wife can see first hand. I went earlier in the week and had a fairly good conversation with the Magnolia Rep on Plasmas. I didn't have a lot of time and mainly just touched on the Panasonic models and a few Samsungs. Did not get around to the PZ950.

However I did pull up some reviews and the one negative is the "black level" or at least what I read. I've seen some pretty good prices on this set considering it's LG's Fagship model comapred to the Panasonic VT and Samsung 7000 & 8000 models. Right now the Pnasonic GT series is my choice but I always leave all options open. We've never had 3D so this is ne and I like the Panny models for 2D to 3D conversion. I did like the Panny GT for it's less glaring panel. Movies, gaming and occsional broadcasting (AT&T U-verse) since this is Rec Room use. Thanks for any input.


Kenny J
Nashville TN

Try talking them into unboxing every set they have in stock until they find one with a service code sticker [60PZ950-UA.AUSLLHR] NOT [60PZ950-UA.AUSZLHR].
post #846 of 1116
All I can say I love the tv. I just bought for my bedroom a Panasonic gt 42 inch on sale and the lg is better in my opinion. The picture and colors are more natural. Panasonic has its own issues as the lg does according to some reviews. In my opinion the blacks are wonderful with the lg, actually I think they look more real as well. I would be careful with reviews from professional sites? If they are truly independent, that's good. But there are a lot out there that are paid by these manufacturers, trust me I was an analyst for a large hedge fund and you're going to write your analysis in favor of who is going to pay your check. That's just the game. When I bought the lg, I went off the reviews from sites like this and amazon, then check it out for yourself at magnolia.
post #847 of 1116
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Originally Posted by TheAnalyst13 View Post

I was wondering if you have film mode on or off? Also any changes to color management?

Thanks

I dont think film mode will affect the picture quality, only how its presented(24fps) so it wont make a difference on having it on or off. Its off for me. I also did not touch any of the color tints and contrast menus, i only focused on the IRE calibration.

I havent notice any diff with noise level off or low, when i dd my calibration i tried setting all the enhancements to off. This was probably one i left on low thinking that was the lowest setting. Let me know if off helps PQ.
If u can get better quality by adjusting those, please share.
post #848 of 1116
I found this one review that was actually pretty interesting. Some high marks on some areas above the Panny VT30 and some areas near the bottom.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1305795700
post #849 of 1116
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Originally Posted by th3third View Post

Try talking them into unboxing every set they have in stock until they find one with a service code sticker [60PZ950-UA.AUSLLHR] NOT [60PZ950-UA.AUSZLHR].

Actually the service code is usually also printed on the box itself...
post #850 of 1116
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Originally Posted by DR.DTS View Post

I found this one review that was actually pretty interesting. Some high marks on some areas above the Panny VT30 and some areas near the bottom.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1305795700

Actually what was important for me, and it is not in LG favor - its phosphor/filter reflection properties. The screen becomes grey even in relatively low light. So despite its high brightness (as stated in the review) I have to say that 60PZ750/950 much much less watchable in bright room than ST/GT/VT30 or Summy D6500/7000/8000.
On the other hand if you have light controlled room and AUSLLHR set, I believe it'll outperform Panny or Summy, especially if you tweak its black.
post #851 of 1116
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Originally Posted by nshvydky View Post

Actually the service code usually also printer on the box itself...

Funny. I never looked on the box.
post #852 of 1116
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Originally Posted by nshvydky View Post

Actually what was important for me, and it is not in LG favor - its phosphor/filter reflection properties. The screen becomes grey even in relatively low light. So despite its high brightness (as stated in the review) I have to say that 60PZ750/950 much much less watchable in bright room than ST/GT/VT30 or Summy D6500/7000/8000.
On the other hand if you have light controlled room and AUSLLHR set, I believe it'll outperform Panny or Summy, especially if you tweak its black.

Ditto!

Mind you plasmas shouldn't have been targeted or marketed to those who wish to watch movies in a bright room in the first place but manufactures are pushing for brighter panels anyway but that opens up other problems, welcome LCDs.
LG should have not have gone for brighter panels but deeper blacks instead, which we've proven can equal and in some cases surpass Panasonic with twist of a potentiometer or two, which also by the way almost eliminates IR, the other thorn in their side, had they done so IMHO they could've have been #1 for 2010/2011.
post #853 of 1116
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Originally Posted by th3third View Post

Try talking them into unboxing every set they have in stock until they find one with a service code sticker [60PZ950-UA.AUSLLHR] NOT [60PZ950-UA.AUSZLHR].

Why? What's the difference?
post #854 of 1116
Back to my pixelation problem with basketball and a little with football? Does anyone experience that as well or does my set have motion blur issues?
post #855 of 1116
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Originally Posted by TheAnalyst13 View Post

Back to my pixelation problem with basketball and a little with football? Does anyone experience that as well or does my set have motion blur issues?

Motion blur is the inability of the phosphors to dispel the previous image, ghosting, what you are experiencing is in the realm of the compression and decompression of the digital video signal or CODEC, a slight delay or interference in the digital video broadcast data signal, which is in the order of gigabytes, is the most likely culprit and not your set
post #856 of 1116
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Originally Posted by TheAnalyst13 View Post

Why? What's the difference?

The sets with the first service code (...LLHR) are the initial mfg. run made early in 2011. The sets with the other code were mfg. later in the year and have similar (not identical) internal components with different part numbers. These later TVs may have a host of problems you are not going to read about in any major reviews because the reviewers got their TVs early. The older boards should work with the new panels, but LG doesn't seem to get that and it shouldn't be up to the consumer to do their job.

Since your other TV died and you want to buy NOW, I would buy a different flagship TV or a smaller, lesser LG as a stopgap until the new models come out if you can't find a PZ950 with the right code. Here's how I imagine it going should you do not heed my warning and buy a PZ950 with the wrong code. The problems become unbearable after about 25 days so you return it to the store and get a replacement with the same code. Another 25 days go by and you do it again and again until you give up and get something different.

I screwed around and now don't have the luxury of returning my TV so I will have to deal with LG service, getting the run-around from techs with no more than an 1 day training course until my warranty expires. I am doing everything different next time around. I am buying in a store, not online. I'm not waiting for a sale, I'm pre-ordering. I spent over a year researching the PX/PZ950 and its rivals, next time I'm ignoring reviews. I'm not buying the largest screen size available in that model, but the smallest. I figure in 16-17 months I will own a 2013 Panasonic. I am saving $ now.
post #857 of 1116
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Originally Posted by th3third View Post

The sets with the first service code (...LLHR) are the initial mfg. run made early in 2011. The sets with the other code were mfg. later in the year and have similar (not identical) internal components with different part numbers. These later TVs may have a host of problems you are not going to read about in any major reviews because the reviewers got their TVs early. The older boards should work with the new panels, but LG doesn't seem to get that and it shouldn't be up to the consumer to do their job.

Since your other TV died and you want to buy NOW, I would buy a different flagship TV or a smaller, lesser LG as a stopgap until the new models come out if you can't find a PZ950 with the right code. Here's how I imagine it going should you do not heed my warning and buy a PZ950 with the wrong code. The problems become unbearable after about 25 days so you return it to the store and get a replacement with the same code. Another 25 days go by and you do it again and again until you give up and get something different.

I screwed around and now don't have the luxury of returning my TV so I will have to deal with LG service, getting the run-around from techs with no more than an 1 day training course until my warranty expires. I am doing everything different next time around. I am buying in a store, not online. I'm not waiting for a sale, I'm pre-ordering. I spent over a year researching the PX/PZ950 and its rivals, next time I'm ignoring reviews. I'm not buying the largest screen size available in that model, but the smallest. I figure in 16-17 months I will own a 2013 Panasonic. I am saving $ now.

Great, I just checked and I have the ...ZLHR! What's going to happen the problem occurs?!? Did anybody else in the forum know about this?
post #858 of 1116
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Originally Posted by rob80b View Post

Motion blur is the inability of the phosphors to dispel the previous image, ghosting, what you are experiencing is in the realm of the compression and decompression of the digital video signal or CODEC, a slight delay or interference in the digital video broadcast data signal, which is in the order of gigabytes, is the most likely culprit and not your set

Thanks, it does look like that there are ghosts hovering around the players. How can you get rid of it?
post #859 of 1116
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Originally Posted by TheAnalyst13 View Post

Great, I just checked and I have the ...ZLHR! What's going to happen the problem occurs?!? Did anybody else in the forum know about this?

Maybe (hopefully) nothing. Turn on Fox right now and watch the Arsenal-Man U game. The mow lines in the grass flicker like crazy on my TV. This didn't start happening right out of the box for me. I took a few hundred hours. nshvydky knows all too well about these problems. He had several sets with this problem the moment he plugged it in.

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Thanks, it does look like that there are ghosts hovering around the players. How can you get rid of it?

You can't get rid of it. It is part of broadcast TV. You could probably minimize it by moving to a neighborhood that has FIOS because it uses less compression and latency in transmission. Watch the soccer ball too when it is flying. You might see trails IN FRONT and behind the ball. My soccer DVDs don't do this. My SD CRT in the bedroom has this artifacting to some extent, but since it is so small it is less noticeable.
post #860 of 1116
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Originally Posted by th3third View Post

Maybe (hopefully) nothing. Turn on Fox right now and watch the Arsenal-Man U game. The mow lines in the grass flicker like crazy on my TV. This didn't start happening right out of the box for me. I took a few hundred hours. nshvydky knows all too well about these problems. He had several sets with this problem the moment he plugged it in.

You can't get rid of it. It is part of broadcast TV. You could probably minimize it by moving to a neighborhood that has FIOS because it uses less compression and latency in transmission. Watch the soccer ball too when it is flying. You might see trails IN FRONT and behind the ball. My soccer DVDs don't do this. My SD CRT in the bedroom has this artifacting to some extent, but since it is so small it is less noticeable.

I just turned on the soccer game. I have uverse as well. Are you talking about the white lines in the soccer field? Mine don't flicker at all, I think. Maybe a little in the middle of the field where there is the circle. When the picture is steady, I don't notice it, but when the camera is moving a little, looks more like the ghosting problem you guys were talking about.

I'm just looking at the game 79:05 min the middle line and the mid circle and lines are not flickering. If you can rewind, how does yours look?

Damn I worried now. I have still two days to return the set to amazon.
post #861 of 1116
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Originally Posted by th3third View Post

...I took a few hundred hours. nshvydky knows all too well about these problems. He had several sets with this problem the moment he plugged it in.

I have 193 hours on my set?!?

I really think about returning it, as long as I can, I got two more days with. I'lln get he panny gt instead. I wonder if I can transfer my square trade insurance to the new set then or if I will loose my money.
post #862 of 1116
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Originally Posted by TheAnalyst13 View Post

I just turned on the soccer game. I have uverse as well. Are you talking about the white lines in the soccer field? Mine don't flicker at all, I think. Maybe a little in the middle of the field where there is the circle. When the picture is steady, I don't notice it, but when the camera is moving a little, looks more like the ghosting problem you guys were talking about.

I'm just looking at the game 79:05 min the middle line and the mid circle and lines are not flickering. If you can rewind, how does yours look?

Damn I worried now. I have still two days to return the set to amazon.

It's actually the lighter stripes (rows) of grass. They "flicker" between two shades of green. Uverse has less compression than Direct so the ball's movement should be smoother. Some of the white in the Arsenal jersey's flicker during close-ups.
post #863 of 1116
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Originally Posted by th3third View Post

Maybe (hopefully) nothing. Turn on Fox right now and watch the Arsenal-Man U game. The mow lines in the grass flicker like crazy on my TV. This didn't start happening right out of the box for me. I took a few hundred hours. nshvydky knows all too well about these problems. He had several sets with this problem the moment he plugged it in.

You can't get rid of it. It is part of broadcast TV. You could probably minimize it by moving to a neighborhood that has FIOS because it uses less compression and latency in transmission. Watch the soccer ball too when it is flying. You might see trails IN FRONT and behind the ball. My soccer DVDs don't do this. My SD CRT in the bedroom has this artifacting to some extent, but since it is so small it is less noticeable.

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Originally Posted by th3third View Post

It's actually the lighter stripes (rows) of grass. They "flicker" between two shades of green. Uverse has less compression than Direct so the ball's movement should be smoother. Some of the white in the Arsenal jersey's flicker during close-ups.

I'm not sure if it does. I believe the lighter greens flicker a little. When the camera zooms in, I can't notice it. From far distance the whole field a little.
post #864 of 1116
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Originally Posted by TheAnalyst13 View Post

I'm not sure if it does. I believe the lighter greens flicker a little. When the camera zooms in, I can't notice it. From far distance the whole field a little.

If you don't see it, I guess it is better do not start looking for it...
post #865 of 1116
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Originally Posted by TheAnalyst13 View Post

I have noticed one thing while watching basketball in hd and sometimes football. Around the moving players I have these fuzzy pixels/ squares. It happens on my 26 inch Samsung as well I think, but that thing is so small it is hard to tell. This is my first large tv set, so I'm a newbie. So I'm wondering if it's the tv or AT&T's signal quality?

It is your TV provider compressing things too much. It could be either AT&T, or the local station itself. I recently moved to an area where our NBC and CBS stations are overly compressed by the stations themselves, so the cable provider does not matter much. The only way to tell for sure if it is AT&T or the local station is to use an antenna to get the signal over the air, and compare the quality.

FWIW, I find the LG is actually better at handling compressed signals than my old TV. Using the same playback source, NFL games that are an almost unwatchable sea of pixels on my 4 year old Sony 1080p 46" actually look fairly decent on my 60PZ950. And that is with "noise reduction" set to off on the LG. It is one of the things I love about the LG.

Drew
post #866 of 1116
Hey,

I have a question. I don't understand when I watch the extended version of lord f the rings on my blu ray, while I'll get these black horizontal bars, one in the top and one in the bottom. You know wide screen bars?

Isn't the purpose of my wide screen tv and blu ray player to get rid of those?
post #867 of 1116
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Originally Posted by th3third View Post

The sets with the first service code (...LLHR) are the initial mfg. run made early in 2011. The sets with the other code were mfg. later in the year and have similar (not identical) internal components with different part numbers. These later TVs may have a host of problems you are not going to read about in any major reviews because the reviewers got their TVs early. The older boards should work with the new panels, but LG doesn't seem to get that and it shouldn't be up to the consumer to do their job.

Since your other TV died and you want to buy NOW, I would buy a different flagship TV or a smaller, lesser LG as a stopgap until the new models come out if you can't find a PZ950 with the right code. Here's how I imagine it going should you do not heed my warning and buy a PZ950 with the wrong code. The problems become unbearable after about 25 days so you return it to the store and get a replacement with the same code. Another 25 days go by and you do it again and again until you give up and get something different.

I screwed around and now don't have the luxury of returning my TV so I will have to deal with LG service, getting the run-around from techs with no more than an 1 day training course until my warranty expires. I am doing everything different next time around. I am buying in a store, not online. I'm not waiting for a sale, I'm pre-ordering. I spent over a year researching the PX/PZ950 and its rivals, next time I'm ignoring reviews. I'm not buying the largest screen size available in that model, but the smallest. I figure in 16-17 months I will own a 2013 Panasonic. I am saving $ now.

Do you know if this affects the 50 inchers as well or just the 60 inchers? The complaints I've seen about the color flickering issue seems to be owners of 60 inch sets.
post #868 of 1116
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Originally Posted by TheAnalyst13 View Post

Hey,

I have a question. I don't understand when I watch the extended version of lord f the rings on my blu ray, while I'll get these black horizontal bars, one in the top and one in the bottom. You know wide screen bars?

Isn't the purpose of my wide screen tv and blu ray player to get rid of those?


You'll need a 21:9 cinema display but then you'll have bars on the left and right for everything else.
post #869 of 1116
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Originally Posted by Matt Stieg View Post

Do you know if this affects the 50 inchers as well or just the 60 inchers? The complaints I've seen about the color flickering issue seems to be owners of 60 inch sets.

I was only interested in a 60" so I bought a 60". I have only cursory knowledge of the 50 inchers so I couldn't tell you.
post #870 of 1116
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Originally Posted by rob80b View Post

You'll need a 21:9 cinema display but then you'll have bars on the left and right for everything else.

Really?
So how can I tell when buying blu rays if I'll get the bars? That is so ridiculous. Is there any information on the cover etc.
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