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post #1261 of 1689
I forgot something! At a High School Game, you don't see the players standing around on the field doing nothing for five minutes between plays! biggrin.gif
post #1262 of 1689
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Originally Posted by borntocoast View Post

I forgot something! At a High School Game, you don't see the players standing around on the field doing nothing for five minutes between plays! biggrin.gif

Yes, yes you do.

I played high school football for four years, I would know. Every year, two or three of our games would be televised, and we had to endure the TV timeouts as well.
post #1263 of 1689
Not at any of the games I've been too! However, if I do see a TV Crew when I approach the Field, I'llturn tail and go to my backup game.

TV Timeouts suck, I know of someone who took his kids to see at Buc's game in Tampa, they left after the Halftime Show because the kids got bored. They played in a "PeeWee League" and they could not understand why the players would stand there doing nothing for five minutes between plays (because of the TV Timeouts). They had spent over $500 for Tickets, Gas, Food and Souveneers, and it proved to be a dud for the kids. Their Parents said "They should have gone to Disney World Instead".
post #1264 of 1689
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Originally Posted by tighr View Post

While I enjoy going to High School games (I also have two within five miles of my house, and I'm not even originally from this city), you can't honestly compare the experience of going to a College/NFL game to that of a High School game. Not even close.
Yep, really not much point comparing HS sports to anything else on TV, just let it go.
post #1265 of 1689
Advertising Age reported today that Direct TV LOST 52,000 Customers during the last three months, the first time they've seen a decline in customer numbers.
post #1266 of 1689
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Originally Posted by borntocoast View Post

Advertising Age reported today that Direct TV LOST 52,000 Customers during the last three months, the first time they've seen a decline in customer numbers.

Did it say (or speculate) as to why? Cord cutting, dissatisfaction with Direct, or other reason?

The reason I ask - I have become less than happy with Direct.
post #1267 of 1689
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Originally Posted by mhufnagel View Post

Dude, why are you still using vhs units when you can buy a Tivo or pc tv tuner so you can record those hd channels in real hd? eek.gif I've been thinking about going back to ota, but there is no way I can go back to a non-dvr lifestyle. biggrin.gif
I currently have a usb tuner stick that I use to record CW and PBS shows with (Dish doesn't offer CW or PBS in hd here in Detroit). But if I do cut the cord again, I'll be picking up a couple of the HD Homerun dual boxes to connect to my Win7 pc along with a 2TB hdd and another Xbox 360. wink.gif

The MeTV subchannel I do all my copying off of is a SD channel so no HD is needed. With VHS tapes I get to add them to my VHS library that I've had for the last 30 years. I don't have to worry about full harddrives or hard drives going out and losing everthing. Since I have over 100 VHS tapes hard drives are not an option.

With HD stuff I press the mute button or change the channel when a commercial comes on. I wish the DVR Pal was still available for $249 but its been discontinued. The new Channelmaster DVR is full of bugs and it cost $400. I don't want to pay a subscription fee for Tivo and my PC is in a different room from my big TV and surround sound system.
post #1268 of 1689
I'm against pay TV with the high prices and all the reality shows and crap but I have to say I still love football. I've been a football fan for 35 years and I love it. Every July around the middle of the month I get that football itch and start counting down the days until NFL training camps and fall practice for college teams to open. I also start looking at the NFL preaseason schedule. Thanks to the OTA channels I still get to watch 12 hours of college football in HD on Saturday and 12 hours of the NFL in HD on Sunday. I know the Hall of Fame game is on Sunday night on the NFL Network but the first game on the local OTA channels in my area is Thursday Aug. 9th between the Raven and the Falcons. I'll be watching it. The next week is there will be several preseason games on the OTA networks.

The big game I've been looking forward to for months now is Saturday Sept. 1st at 8:00pm Alabama vs Michigan on ABC. I can't wait.

So I still get to watch plenty of football in HD without having to pay for it. I have ESPN 3 on the computer but its only in SD. I also listen to ESPN radio and Fox Sports radio for football talk. Also clips on NFL.com and ESPN.com.
Edited by Jedi Master - 8/3/12 at 10:42pm
post #1269 of 1689
DirecTV loses subscribers for first time in 2Q
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NEW YORK — DirecTV, the country's largest provider of satellite TV services, is losing subscribers for the first time, as the company tightened credit policies and consumer appetite for pay-TV services appears to have plateaued.

DirecTV Inc. said Thursday that it lost 52,000 U.S. subscribers in the April-to-June period. Last year, it added 26,000 in the same period, which is seasonally the weakest of the year.
Other pay-TV companies have reported worsening subscriber trends in the quarter, except for Comcast Corp. and Dish Network Corp., which have reported reduced losses. Time Warner Cable Inc., the second-largest cable company, said Thursday that it lost 169,000 subscribers in the second quarter, a record for the company.

The biggest U.S. TV distributor, Comcast Corp., lost 176,000 video subscribers, which was considered an improvement as the rate of loss was better than in recent quarters. Of the big four distributors, satellite provider Dish Network Corp. said it lost just 10,000 subscribers, also considered an improvement.


Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/08/02/2238387/directv-loses-subscribers-for.html#storylink=cpy
post #1270 of 1689
Discontinued our cable/sat services about 4 years ago. Went to OTA HD and cannot be happier. I like sports but do not watch it anymore: players only care about money, they bounce around with no loyalty to fans and teams anymore. I am not missing it and do not plan on going back.
Edited by ddgtr - 8/4/12 at 12:09am
post #1271 of 1689
The article doesn't mention anything about disgruntled customers, other than to say "Appetite for Pat-TV services appeared to have plateaued". But ask anyone who has Pay-TV if they are happy with it and five will get you ten they will say "NO". The biggest complaint is "It costs too much money". In the last two years 2,500,000 customers have decided "Enough is Enough" and have discontinued their Pay-TV Subscriptions to seek their Entertainment and Informational needs elsewhere.
post #1272 of 1689
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Originally Posted by borntocoast View Post

The article doesn't mention anything about disgruntled customers, other than to say "Appetite for Pat-TV services appeared to have plateaued". But ask anyone who has Pay-TV if they are happy with it and five will get you ten they will say "NO". The biggest complaint is "It costs too much money". In the last two years 2,500,000 customers have decided "Enough is Enough" and have discontinued their Pay-TV Subscriptions to seek their Entertainment and Informational needs elsewhere.
I think a lot of those numbers are reflected in the "it costs too much" camp who suddenly find themselves having to cut back on expenses due to un(or under)employment due to the economy. It's easy to say "it's not worth it" when the money isn't there.

However, I predict the trend will either stabilze or reverse itself once unemployment drops a few more percent. We tend to spend more money on things we might not normally want to when we have money to spare.

It's the same way that people jump all over fuel-efficient vehicles when gas hit $4 a gallon, but go right back to large SUVs when it drops back down.

Never underestimate the power of conspicuous consumption. We love to be seen with stuff. It doesn't take much to add that one feature we can't live without to get people back into the fold.
post #1273 of 1689
Except there isn't one person I've talked to who hasn't said anything good about Pay-TV. There are a lot of people, and I mean A LOT, who have said when their commitments are up they will drop their subscriptions. After spending more than a decade raising prices and lowering the quality of what they are offering the Pay-TV companies are reaping what they have sowed. People are seeking their Entertainment and Information Needs Elsewhere. The Over-The-Air Antenna Business is booming, along with rental businesses such as Netflix.
post #1274 of 1689

And there are a lot who will go back to pay tv once they can better afford it again. Maybe not all, but A LOT. You may not think much of the programming these days, but many people actually like it.

 

Also, how many people actually do everything they say they're going to do? With someone pushing an agenda as hard as you are, people will often "go along" with what they're saying, just in order to be left alone.

post #1275 of 1689
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Originally Posted by borntocoast View Post

Except there isn't one person I've talked to who hasn't said anything good about Pay-TV.
There are a lot of things people don't have anything good to say about, but in the end, they do what get's them what they want.

Plenty of people have nothing good to say about Walmart, but at some point an item they want is priced just low enough to make them buy it there.

People have gotten all militant about causes for animal cruelity, the environment and and individual rights, but at some point, they decide veal tastes good, they want a V8 engine and air conditioning and they figure that giving up a few individual rights is fine as long as they're someone else's. It's easy to give up extra expenses when there's no money to pay for them, but when there's plenty of change jingling in our pockets, we love to spend it.

Let's face it, we love to gripe about something with everything in life - and the internet is the most awesome forum ever created to do so (that , and view porn). The problem is, we also suck at following through if it inconveniences us.

'I swear, I'm going to go down to the courthouse and protest!"
(Looks outside)
"Well, it looks like it might rain today...maybe tomorrow..."
post #1276 of 1689
Well find out even more in November when the third quarter results are published. If the trend reverses I'll eat my words.
post #1277 of 1689
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

I think a lot of those numbers are reflected in the "it costs too much" camp who suddenly find themselves having to cut back on expenses due to un(or under)employment due to the economy. It's easy to say "it's not worth it" when the money isn't there.

However, I predict the trend will either stabilze or reverse itself once unemployment drops a few more percent. We tend to spend more money on things we might not normally want to when we have money to spare.

That is what everybody who works in the Pay TV business are saying because they are in a state of denial. They have ruined a great thing over the last 10 years by jacking up the prices sky high and lowering the quality of the service. People are bailing out because of it. If they want customers to return they better start selling a good quality service for a good price. Money talks and BS walks.
Edited by Jedi Master - 8/6/12 at 1:32am
post #1278 of 1689
This is the 2012 College Football TV Schedule I look at. There is a lot of college football on the OTA networks. The SEC Network and the ACC Network are on local stations in my area.

http://www.lsufootball.net/tvschedule.htm
post #1279 of 1689
Cable Industry Lost 400,000 Users So Far in 2012
Cord Cutting Denial Strong as Industry Refuses to Compete on Price
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Reuters notes that more than 400,000 pay TV subscribers have dropped their television subscriptions since the beginning of this year. Following on the heels of Comcast losing 176,000 cable users and Time Warner Cable losing 169,000, DirecTV this week announced their first ever net subscriber decline. While cable operators continue to blame everything from the weather to antelope, the industry's stubborn refusal to compete on price means that users continue to slowly drift toward less expensive alternatives.

Annoying retransmission feuds certainly aren't helping, with paying customers given bickering executive children and service blackouts for their hard-earned money. Even Craig Moffett, the cable industry's resident Wall Street cheerleader, has been warning that the check will be coming due for refusing to compete on price. Even Moffett concedes that the industry is screwing up:
"Basic video subscriber losses aren't getting better," said Bernstein Research analyst Craig Moffett of Time Warner Cable. He said in a client note that the company had done alright overall but "it is hard to shake the perception of an opportunity lost."

The reality is that while the cable industry pays lip service to customers eager for a lower bill, they continue to pour most of their energy into very high-end and costly service bundles, in addition to their punitive metered broadband ambitions. As more and more cable alternative options continue to surface, the problem will only get worse for stubborn legacy executives.

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Cable-Industry-Lost-400000-Users-So-Far-in-2012-120632
post #1280 of 1689
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master View Post

This is the 2012 College Football TV Schedule I look at. There is a lot of college football on the OTA networks. The SEC Network and the ACC Network are on local stations in my area.
http://www.lsufootball.net/tvschedule.htm

Unfortunately I can't in the SEC Network either via OTA or cable and I live in Tennessee.
post #1281 of 1689
I've been without pay-tv for nearly 15 years now. At first it was because I was a poor student. But then after being without, I didn't miss it. I did watch PBS, and plenty of DVDs. Now, with Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, and "other" internet programming, I'm not missing anything at all. I may have to wait a bit to see the new shows, but that's fine.
post #1282 of 1689
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master View Post

Cable Industry Lost 400,000 Users So Far in 2012
Cord Cutting Denial Strong as Industry Refuses to Compete on Price
The other interesting thing to note about the Pay-TV industry is that it's essentially a service industry (i.e., they are selling a service and not a product). It's also one in which the infrastructure already exists for most new customers, meaning the cost to add one more subscriber for them is near $0. So whenever a customer quits, its a nearly 100% profit loss on that customer.

It's not like other industries that actually produce a product... food, electronics, etc. Those industries are usually able to produce based on demand, and if demand isn't there, they can scale back the manufacturing costs. With Pay-TV, not making your subscriber quota is a financial loss, in addition to impacting the advertising revenue.
post #1283 of 1689
What gets me is that in spite of losing 50,000 customers, their revenue actually GAINED 9 %! This is obviously caused by higher subscription fees. This cannot continue, because as you raise costs your customers will only decide it's no longer worth paying for (ESPECIALLY if it isn't a Necessity - that's Food, Clothing and Shelter for those of you in Rio Linda!). Of course, instead of raising prices they could add more "Reality" Programming, and/or add more Commercials and "Infomercials", but this too will only lead to more subscriber loss. Pay-TV you are not a Monopoly, we can get our programming (at a much higher quality) from other sources. I see the hand writing on the wall!
post #1284 of 1689
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Originally Posted by borntocoast View Post

What gets me is that in spite of losing 50,000 customers, their revenue actually GAINED 9 %!

50,000 seems like a lot but out of 18,000,000 customers it's just 1/5 of 1%.
post #1285 of 1689
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Originally Posted by borntocoast View Post

What gets me is that in spite of losing 50,000 customers, their revenue actually GAINED 9 %! This is obviously caused by higher subscription fees. This cannot continue, because as you raise costs your customers will only decide it's no longer worth paying for (ESPECIALLY if it isn't a Necessity - that's Food, Clothing and Shelter for those of you in Rio Linda!). Of course, instead of raising prices they could add more "Reality" Programming, and/or add more Commercials and "Infomercials", but this too will only lead to more subscriber loss. Pay-TV you are not a Monopoly, we can get our programming (at a much higher quality) from other sources. I see the hand writing on the wall!

Actually satellite/cable tv is one of the best bargains in town. Take your wife and kids to a dinner & movie and by the time you're finished it will probably cost you more than a whole months' satellite bill.
post #1286 of 1689
Yes, 50,000 People is but a blip on their total number, but I have a feeling those numbers are ONLY THE BEGINNING. There's another round of price Hikes coming, and after all these "Retransmission" Battles and the Huge Deals made on the Sports Networks such as ESPN, those Price hikes will be among the biggest ever, if not the biggest. And while Pay-TV may be a bigger bargain that going out to dinner and a movie, over-the-Air TV and Netflix are an even BIGGER Bargain!, and that's where most people who've "Cut the Cord" are going! biggrin.gif
post #1287 of 1689
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Originally Posted by pds3 View Post

Actually satellite/cable tv is one of the best bargains in town. Take your wife and kids to a dinner & movie and by the time you're finished it will probably cost you more than a whole months' satellite bill.

Apples and oranges. Also just because you get a lot of channels doesn't mean there is anything good on. If I have a buffet for $1 but everything taste like dog crap well it isn't such a bargain is it? I'm a night owl and frankly the only thing on at 3 and 4 AM is infomercials.
post #1288 of 1689
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Originally Posted by BCF68 View Post

Apples and oranges. Also just because you get a lot of channels doesn't mean there is anything good on. If I have a buffet for $1 but everything taste like dog crap well it isn't such a bargain is it? I'm a night owl and frankly the only thing on at 3 and 4 AM is infomercials.

That's why people use DVR equipment. If you can't find suitable programming with all the satellite, VOD, and OTA channels available, then maybe television isn't for you.
post #1289 of 1689
You shouldn't NEED a DVR just to find something to watch on cable- If I'm paying for it, I want something good (by my definition of good) on 24/7. There's no excuse for infomercials when they're being PAID to run those AND charging their viewers for the privilege of seeing them!

And it's not like cable is one of "the best bargains in town", more like movie theaters are among the WORST bargains in town!
post #1290 of 1689
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Originally Posted by pds3 View Post

That's why people use DVR equipment. If you can't find suitable programming with all the satellite, VOD, and OTA channels available, then maybe television isn't for you.
If I'm already going to be using the DVR to watch content, why not just watch DVDs or stream content that I care about? I mean its 6 of one and half dozen of another at that point.

When you use the DVR, you are not using the Pay-TV subscription (although you may be watching Pay-TV content, which is a separate argument). I have a DVR on my HTPC, and I don't pay nobody nothin.
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