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post #1621 of 1689
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Originally Posted by herzzreh View Post


It's not about "can't wait", it's more about watching TV. But to answer your question, nope, I don't want to wait until a season comes out on DVD. For example, 4 shows at 16 total episodes per month comes to $47.84 per month. I guess I never bothered with the math before, but in my particular situation, streaming is more expensive.
This.
I absolutely see internet providers going the way of mobile operators with caps.
Yup. So, cheapest I can get HSI at the speed that I need is about $50/month with Comcast (not counting new customer discount as it only lasts six months), then add $50, if not more, for streaming and here you go - you have a price of a HSI+TV combo package. In the end, DVR (in my case, home built, so no renting one from cable co) + cable TV simply wins for convenience sake.
Yup.

 

Understood.  For you it is a "can't wait" situation.  You don't want to wait a few months to see the episodes of "cable" shows for free or as part of your Netflix and/or Hulu subscription.  Because you want it now you are willing to pay per episode or go with the TV package.  For many of us, that's just not worth it because I got plenty of other things I can do with $1000 a year then pay for TV (with last years "savings" I bought a new mower, a trimmer and took the wife on a mini-vacation...none of which would have been able to afford without cutting the cord).  But for others TV is a huge thing in their life and they want to see things as they air or they make enough money that the savings isn't a big deal to them.  Nothing wrong with that at all, just opposite ends of the discussion.

post #1622 of 1689
I always find it odd when people include the cost of internet when they're looking at the cost of streaming video. Does that mean you wouldn't have internet at all? The most I would add would be the price jump from the internet tier you most likely would use to a tier that makes streaming HD video easy. Of course in my case, there wouldn't be a price increase. My provider offers 2/1 as the basic tier and then it jumps to 15/2 for $10 per month more, which is what I have and would have anyway. Trying to browse with 2/1 internet is scary slow nowadays.
post #1623 of 1689
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Originally Posted by mhufnagel View Post

I always find it odd when people include the cost of internet when they're looking at the cost of streaming video. Does that mean you wouldn't have internet at all?

Sadly yes. For awhile in my house the idea of cutting the cord was talked about but it meant every cord, including internet. I wasn't willing to do that and the discussion ended in some epic battles. I don't have to worry about that anymore as I got rid of the opposing faction smile.gif, but for me yes I would count it.
post #1624 of 1689
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Originally Posted by Nayan View Post

Sadly yes. For awhile in my house the idea of cutting the cord was talked about but it meant every cord, including internet. I wasn't willing to do that and the discussion ended in some epic battles. I don't have to worry about that anymore as I got rid of the opposing faction smile.gif, but for me yes I would count it.
Your situation isn't the norm though. Most people act like it's either pay-tv or internet with streaming, but no mention of the fact they usually already have internet service.
post #1625 of 1689
Got my bill yesterday for my AT&T Uverse, 12 mbit. Still paying $27.10 after taxes per month. 12mbps is plenty fast to stream in HD.
post #1626 of 1689
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Originally Posted by mhufnagel View Post

Your situation isn't the norm though. Most people act like it's either pay-tv or internet with streaming, but no mention of the fact they usually already have internet service.
For me, if I dumped pay TV, I would have to upgrade my internet service if I was going all streaming.

What I have is good enough for the occasional watch, but it would drive me nuts to use it all the time at my current speed. In fact, I could just live with my cellular with what I currently do online. I just choose to make it easier to surf using my computer by having cable broadband (and avoid the miserable caps wireless has). I just don't subscribe to the higher speed levels. 5Mb/s is more than fast enough for me now.
post #1627 of 1689
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Originally Posted by tighr View Post

Got my bill yesterday for my AT&T Uverse, 12 mbit. Still paying $27.10 after taxes per month. 12mbps is plenty fast to stream in HD.

I pay $52 per month, including taxes, for 20Mbps DSL connection, static IP, and that includes my landline phone (with all of the features I had when AT&T was my provider). TV for us is OTA only so I only watch what I want without paying for stations I'd never watch, and anything else we can either stream thru the blu-ray player, AppleTV2, or the laptop. And I'm not locked into any sort of contract with a cable/sat provider who doesn't care about me other than my monthly service fee (which will eventually increase).
post #1628 of 1689
I have been reading about people dropping cable\satalite for a while. I must say it was weird on how many people were doing it. I had been with cable and with direct tv. I finally had enough and dropped direct tv a couple of weeks ago. I mostly watch movies on blu ray. I got a nice set up. I only watched one channel and I didnt feel that it was worth 100 bucks that I was paying. I just wanted to say a big thanks to all of you that have dropped cable/satalite. you can add me to the cutting of the cord as they say.

Jacob
post #1629 of 1689
Higher prices and lower quality programming is what made me cut the cord. Until 2005 I used to love cable TV. Not anymore. The pay TV companies have got to greedy. Now there are to many reality shows, to many repeats, and to many commercials. I have to do without the cable TV I used to like because it doesn't excist anymore.

I still watch plenty of TV everyday. I watch OTA and DVD and stream very little. I have a huge collection of my favorite shows on DVD. I also have an Xbox 360 and enjoy video games.
post #1630 of 1689
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master View Post

Higher prices and lower quality programming is what made me cut the cord. Until 2005 I used to love cable TV. Not anymore.
Ironically, you bailed right as the big push for more original cable programming was starting. While there's still plenty of crap, there's actually never been more good stuff out there before these last 5 years. In fact, cable seems to be making more of the good stuff that the broadcast networks used to make - but would cancel in 6 weeks or less now.

The percentage of good cable shows that make it through multiple seasons is far higher now than the big 4.
post #1631 of 1689
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

While there's still plenty of crap, there's actually never been more good stuff out there before these last 5 years.

I admit, there are some quality programs available on Pay-TV, unfortunately, IMO there isn't enough programming that I like to justify spending over $100.00 a month. Most of the programs they show will become available on DVD and/or Blu-Ray a few months after they are shown for the first time, so if there is something I like, I'll get it that way. It's cheaper than paying a subscription, and I don't have to contend with the insane amount of advertising that one is forced to cope with when watching it on "Appointment TV".
post #1632 of 1689
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Ironically, you bailed right as the big push for more original cable programming was starting. While there's still plenty of crap, there's actually never been more good stuff out there before these last 5 years. In fact, cable seems to be making more of the good stuff that the broadcast networks used to make - but would cancel in 6 weeks or less now.

The percentage of good cable shows that make it through multiple seasons is far higher now than the big 4.

I agree with you on the high quality of programming available on pay-tv. AMC and FX are by far my favorite channels, while my wife watches a lot of Hallmark and USA Network.

We did go down a tier to save some money though. We watch a lot of Netflix and Amazon Prime and get new release BD/DVD's from the library, Family Video and Redbox. With decent internet and the willingness to wait to watch a program, you can catch everything and save quite a bit of money.

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Originally Posted by borntocoast View Post

I admit, there are some quality programs available on Pay-TV, unfortunately, IMO there isn't enough programming that I like to justify spending over $100.00 a month. Most of the programs they show will become available on DVD and/or Blu-Ray a few months after they are shown for the first time, so if there is something I like, I'll get it that way. It's cheaper than paying a subscription, and I don't have to contend with the insane amount of advertising that one is forced to cope with when watching it on "Appointment TV".

The recent problems the ota networks are having getting new shows to go more than one season tells you that they're having quality issues. Cable programming's less restrictions is starting to really affect them.

I know that people spend a lot of money on pay-tv, but you can find plenty of packages for well under that $100 mark. So why do people always mention $100? We're currently paying $64/month with Dish Network for their AT120 package, Heartland Package and 722K dvr (which is connected to two tv's) and taxes. While that might be more than what someone wants to spend, it's well under $100.
post #1633 of 1689
See, that's what I don't get is the repeated $100 for pay TV. There are plenty of options that cost much less than that and if I dumped all of my big-ticket channels/extras it's well under $100/month.
post #1634 of 1689
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Originally Posted by Nayan View Post

See, that's what I don't get is the repeated $100 for pay TV. There are plenty of options that cost much less than that and if I dumped all of my big-ticket channels/extras it's well under $100/month.

people say $100 because their $64 package increases with the cost of cable boxes, cable cards, outlet fees, hd fees, sports fees, taxes and what not. so yes, its higher than the basic $64 package.
post #1635 of 1689
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Originally Posted by Aero 1 View Post

people say $100 because their $64 package increases with the cost of cable boxes, cable cards, outlet fees, hd fees, sports fees, taxes and what not. so yes, its higher than the basic $64 package.

Well you're wrong, about my package anyway. That $64 includes everything you mentioned. wink.gif
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Meantime my Home Video collection continues to grew, grow, grow. smile.gif One of my "Holy Grail" TV Series, Ripcord will be released this August, just in time for my Birthday. biggrin.gif
post #1637 of 1689
I pay slightly more than $100 for cable but am getting "everything" or as much as I want since I'm not a sports fan. This is a result of trying to cancel something so they try retention with deals you can't refuse. Went to cancel the promo they gave me a year ago because it was due to go up in price and found out it didn't run out until July because of a good they made when I said OK to it in April.

And don't forget the people who are on autopay and never look at their bill. They're just happy to fall asleep every night in front of the TV. If these people "wake up" things could go really bad for cable and satellite overnight.

But I keep doing more and more streaming. Isn't Verizon experimenting or proposing metered broadband so if you don't use it that often you don't get billed as much?
post #1638 of 1689
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

But I keep doing more and more streaming. Isn't Verizon experimenting or proposing metered broadband so if you don't use it that often you don't get billed as much?
Possibly, but it's not so people who don't use it often will pay less.

It's so people who use it often will pay more.

The base fees will ensure almost nobody sees and significant discount for not using the service - unless they cancel. Just look at the cell phone plans. You save maybe $5 a month by going with a limited plan - then if you go over, the fees explode on you.

Don't worry, the ISPs will always get their money for not giving you what they actually sold you.
post #1639 of 1689
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Originally Posted by borntocoast View Post

Meantime my Home Video collection continues to grew, grow, grow. smile.gif One of my "Holy Grail" TV Series, Ripcord will be released this August, just in time for my Birthday. biggrin.gif
Yes, we all know about your SD DVD and VHS collection you keep bringing up in the HDTV Programming section of the forum...
post #1640 of 1689
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Yes, we all know about your SD DVD and VHS collection you keep bringing up in the HDTV Programming section of the forum...

It's not like there's an SDTV Programming forum that would be more appropriate for him to post in. rolleyes.gif It amuses me the way shows' topic titles always seem to end with "in HD!" as though people who have basic SD cable should be posting in a different topic, because the lower resolution means they're watching an entirely different program.
post #1641 of 1689
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Originally Posted by mhufnagel View Post


The recent problems the ota networks are having getting new shows to go more than one season tells you that they're having quality issues. Cable programming's less restrictions is starting to really affect them.

I know that people spend a lot of money on pay-tv, but you can find plenty of packages for well under that $100 mark. So why do people always mention $100? We're currently paying $64/month with Dish Network for their AT120 package, Heartland Package and 722K dvr (which is connected to two tv's) and taxes. While that might be more than what someone wants to spend, it's well under $100.

That is true about the restrictions on OTA that you don't have on pay tv, but you're still paying almost $800 per year to see bouncing boobs and actors say f*ck that you can't see/say on OTA . But I pay $96 per year for pay tv (streaming Netflix $8 per month) so I guess I fall into the pay tv category as well rolleyes.gif
post #1642 of 1689
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Originally Posted by Nayan View Post

See, that's what I don't get is the repeated $100 for pay TV. There are plenty of options that cost much less than that and if I dumped all of my big-ticket channels/extras it's well under $100/month.

I think it really depends where you live. My bill was $96 with tax, so basically $100 out here in the country (no extra channels - basic with a DVR and a spare receiver). I could constantly threaten to leave, go back and forth between satellite companies, but honestly I just don't have the energy for that.

My OTA setup wasn't much to put up, I use a spare computer as a DVR, and bought another for $100 that acts as the computer for the TV, and I already had my Roku box, so in all, with larger HD to store OTA programming, the computer, the capture cards, the antenna, the whole venture was $300 two years ago.

We do have Netflix, and for the few shows that we can't get on Netflix, we can buy from Amazon... but honestly there are maybe two or so that we can't get from the channels website, etc...
post #1643 of 1689
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

That is true about the restrictions on OTA that you don't have on pay tv, but you're still paying almost $800 per year to see bouncing boobs and actors say f*ck that you can't see/say on OTA . But I pay $96 per year for pay tv (streaming Netflix $8 per month) so I guess I fall into the pay tv category as well rolleyes.gif

You pay less for your TV in one year than most people pay per month! smile.gif I spend around $500.00 to watch TV my way, Although I pay more than Netflix, my way has a little bonus, after I finish watching a show, I get to keep it! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

It's not like there's an SDTV Programming forum that would be more appropriate for him to post in. rolleyes.gif
Except he doesn't even comment on that - it's always about his DVD and VHS collection, which belongs in the home media areas of the forum. If he at least participated in topics for shows he regularly watches, it would be a real contribution. Surely he could do that if he has an antenna, but he doesn't like bugs, so he never watches the stuff when it airs.

I've never encountered someone who seems to hate TV as much as he does take such an active interest in a community where people embrace it fully. It would be like joining a knitting club when you hate the feel of wool.

At least things like the Roku or Apple TV at least let you watch something close to HD quality with other devices doing a bit better than that. VHS isn't even SD...it's like...mud.
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It amuses me the way shows' topic titles always seem to end with "in HD!" as though people who have basic SD cable should be posting in a different topic, because the lower resolution means they're watching an entirely different program.
Actually, in some cases, they ARE effectively seeing a different programming if the channel centercuts for SD. Further, there have been more than a few shows (Lost being one) where image detail revealed a lot of Easter eggs (Walt's face on a milk carton, for example) that you wouldn't see in a lower resolution. The show "My Name is Earl" had plenty of jokes that you couldn't actually see in SD because they happened in the pillar bar region (HD Beer, anyone?).

So, while the show overall is the same transmission, it often feels very different in HD.
Edited by NetworkTV - 5/23/13 at 4:59pm
post #1645 of 1689
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Except he doesn't even comment on that - it's always about his DVD and VHS collection, which belongs in the home media areas of the forum.

Thanks for the Information. Sorry if I've been barking up the wrong tree! redface.gif From now on if I want to post about my collection I'll post it on the Home Media Forum. Thanks for the push in the right direction.biggrin.gif
post #1646 of 1689
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Originally Posted by borntocoast View Post

Thanks for the Information. Sorry if I've been barking up the wrong tree! redface.gif From now on if I want to post about my collection I'll post it on the Home Media Forum. Thanks for the push in the right direction.biggrin.gif
Please understand, I'm not trying to be a jerk here.

I just think it would be helpful to hear options for ways to watch stuff airing now, in HD, without having to pay the freight of a cable/sat sub. That's more helpful for those on the fence. That's what most people miss out on when they cut the cord: keeping up with their favorite shows and sports teams.

Becoming a collector is not likely in the cards for most cord cutters - especially when it's not up to the same quality as what they can get even free over the air.
post #1647 of 1689
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post


For me, if I dumped pay TV, I would have to upgrade my internet service if I was going all streaming.

What I have is good enough for the occasional watch, but it would drive me nuts to use it all the time at my current speed. In fact, I could just live with my cellular with what I currently do online. I just choose to make it easier to surf using my computer by having cable broadband (and avoid the miserable caps wireless has). I just don't subscribe to the higher speed levels. 5Mb/s is more than fast enough for me now.

 

Depends.  5-6 is plenty fast enough to stream HD from Netflix or Hulu with no problem.  Now if you need to stream on 3 devices at the same time it might not be enough.  :)

post #1648 of 1689
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Actually, in some cases, they ARE effectively seeing a different programming if the channel centercuts for SD. [...] The show "My Name is Earl" had plenty of jokes that you couldn't actually see in SD because they happened in the pillar bar region (HD Beer, anyone?).

Outliers certainly don't make the rule, as novelties created for early seasons of HD shows are far from typical now that HD is the norm. If there was truly a need to discuss HD and SD programming separately, there would be forums for both. While I agree that it makes little sense to champion the merits of TV on DVD in a forum dedicated to current programming, it technically is an alternative way for people to acquire pay-TV content, provided they don't mind the time delay involved with it.
post #1649 of 1689
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Originally Posted by bonscott87 View Post

Depends.  5-6 is plenty fast enough to stream HD from Netflix or Hulu with no problem.  Now if you need to stream on 3 devices at the same time it might not be enough.  smile.gif
If you actually get the rated speed it is.

When was the last time you got what you paid for from your ISP?

I'd bet that if someone did a real study, they'd find the lower level offerings almost never come close to their rated speed while the higher plans tend to get there at certain times. After all, they want those deadbeats with 3MB/s connections to pony up for more speed... wink.gif
Edited by NetworkTV - 5/23/13 at 9:47pm
post #1650 of 1689
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

While I agree that it makes little sense to champion the merits of TV on DVD in a forum dedicated to current programming, it technically is an alternative way for people to acquire pay-TV content, provided they don't mind the time delay involved with it.

 

It's not what someone posts. Rather it's the number of times and the singleness that drives people crazy. Much like a mantra... it gets old rather quickly.

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