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post #151 of 2855
Thread Starter 
Not supposed to mention prices, but HOLY COW that is a crazy deal.
Almost makes me want to order one just for the hell of it, although they are probalby all gone at that price.
post #152 of 2855
Well we shall see if it was a good deal. To be honest ever since the moment I ordered it, I have regret not just ordering it new for peace of mind. They said it was a return and may not have all its original pieces. hehe... I figured just roll the dice and if anything just return and purchase new.
post #153 of 2855
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Well I wouldn't worry about it since it would still be under warranty and you can RMA if any issues.
When it comes to DLP projectors, an RMA'd unit is often better than a new unit.

Only if the remote is missing would it be a bit of a pain, the other pieces you don't need (std power cable, etc).
Although I'm sure someone here would gladly go buy a cheap universal / programmable remote at walmart, program the codes in, and then send it to you for their cost.
Although other Mits device codes may work.

This isn't like an Epson where it takes 5 tries to get a working one.
Thank god too, the Epson guys all hate me now for posting one Sanyo comment in their thread, I got flamed for the past 2 days non-stop (pretty funny).
I said the Sanyo beats the 8350 (it does though, I'm sorry) and that if not going to DLP, I would find something else or spend more on an 8700ub (I was in the 8700ub thread, not the 8350).
I should learn how to keep my opinions to myself sometimes, but oh well. Too many 8350 users browsing the 8700ub thread

In reality none of these projectors totally suck though, but you just can't touch DLP in this price range for sure.
post #154 of 2855
What do you use to clean the lens?
post #155 of 2855
Thread Starter 
I've heard people say camera lens cleaner, but I'd be SUPER careful about using chemicals. There are threads on it, just forgot where they are. I used a regular cloth to clean my Sanyo lens once, but I don't recommend it, the projector is on its LAST LEG so I just didnt care.
post #156 of 2855
@-Ticarus- I haven't fired it up yet. I'm moving this weekend so I'm fighting the temptation until then. Besides all my AV gear is boxed up.

Looking forward to sharing first impressions...
post #157 of 2855
Thread Starter 
I never beat temptation, I had the 2 hours on the Sanyo lamp after I decided I probably want something else, but ended up running it to 200 hours just for calibration fun, despite a potential $500 restocking fee, put 400 hours on the Mits, but the Mits return should go as planned. The Sanyo return, well who the heck knows.

You guys have more will power than I do, haha.
post #158 of 2855
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Originally Posted by richmack View Post

@bishopt:

I saw pics of your setup in another thread-- very nice. Could you show off some screenshots in the day time (or with some ambient light) zoomed out so I can see how much light is in the room and how it's affecting the picture quality? I'd like to see how well that Jamestown screen rejects the ambient light and how well the HC4000 overcomes it as well. I've seen high contrast screens in practice really sacrifice whites and colors to deepen blacks, but I think adjusting pj settings could help that.

Could you post the following content and share which display mode you're using for:
(1) A movie screenshot with a fairly dark scene and one a little more balanced. I don't expect miracles, but I'd like to see if the scenes are watchable.
(2) Any sports. I'm gonna use my projector to watch a bunch of sports during the day and I plan on going with little to moderate light control at the most so I'm not sitting in the dark. I figure some directional lighting (away from the screen) will help.

BTW, my HC4000 arrives tomorrow night, but I probably won't fire it up until Saturday when I'm moved into my new place. I'm looking forward to sharing some first impressions to help other forum visitors like myself who are on the fence.

Thanks in advance!

Here ya go, sports shots only I will give my opinions at the end about watching movies.

I deleted the files on imageshack..bummer
post #159 of 2855
Ambient light Part 2:

Overhead (can lights)lights above seating




Whew...There you have it, I try to take pictures that are close to what you will see, but on your monitors it is hard to tell the difference between, low lamp and high, but there is a difference...now I think for watching football you could go with sports gamma, bc on and high lamp depending on the light situation and the picture will still look great.

Now to answer the movie question, if its a bright movie should be no problem, if its dark then I will end up pulling my curtains and maybe the blinds on the door and then it's probably watchable but I'm so picky I usually wait till it gets darker for anything that I really want to watch..but thats just me...I have the latest potter movie, if I have time I will put soime of the dark scenes up with some light...but I think it will not be good...


Hope this helps...let us know when you get it set up how you like it, I like mine alot....
post #160 of 2855
Well, I have my first possible problem. If you look at the picture above, it appears by 'Rose'. It is almost 1 foot long, is multi-colored, and is slightly bent. It is definitely coming from the PJ.

Any ideas?
post #161 of 2855
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Originally Posted by goebeljj View Post

Well, I have my first possible problem. If you look at the picture above, it appears by 'Rose'. It is almost 1 foot long, is multi-colored, and is slightly bent. It is definitely coming from the PJ.

Any ideas?

Picture ?????
post #162 of 2855
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Originally Posted by bishopt View Post

Picture ?????

Sorry...I was referring to the picture posted by Bishop above my post.
post #163 of 2855
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Originally Posted by goebeljj View Post

Sorry...I was referring to the picture posted by Bishop above my post.

So your saying about the same spot as the Rose, you have that showing up...was this the open box one you got from the egg?
post #164 of 2855
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Originally Posted by bishopt View Post

So your saying about the same spot as the Rose, you have that showing up...was this the open box one you got from the egg?

This is my first attempt to post an image.....

The picture is from an Apple commercial.
post #165 of 2855
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Originally Posted by goebeljj View Post



This is my first attempt to post an image.....

The picture is from an Apple commercial.


I think you had one to many /image tag's....I think the snapfish link is not right...
post #166 of 2855


Attempt #2
post #167 of 2855
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Originally Posted by goebeljj View Post


Attempt #2

Hard to tell but first thing I would do is turn BC off, on the main menu first screen, down at the bottom...see if that makes it go away...
post #168 of 2855
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Originally Posted by goebeljj View Post



Attempt #2

That appears to be a strand of hair somewhere in your optic path.

The reason there are rainbow colors around it are due to the light refracting around the hair (like how you see a real rainbow), it's basically chromatic aberration around the hair strand.

I've seen hair strands in the optic path look like that before.

You'll probably need to send the unit back for them to take care of it. You can try and pop the lamp out and see if there is anything, but I don't think a hair strand in there would cause that effect.
post #169 of 2855
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

That appears to be a strand of hair somewhere in your optic path.

The reason there are rainbow colors around it are due to the light refracting around the hair (like how you see a real rainbow), it's basically chromatic aberration around the hair strand.

I've seen hair strands in the optic path look like that before.

You'll probably need to send the unit back for them to take care of it. You can try and pop the lamp out and see if there is anything, but I don't think a hair strand in there would cause that effect.

Thanks for the feedback. I sent the pic to Mits support....we'll see what happens.
post #170 of 2855
All I can say is... WOW! Love the projector so far. Fired her up in my apartment on a vacant wall and watched about 5hrs last night. Man the picture is more impressive then I was expecting... and I dont suffer from RBE... WOO HOO!

My one complain would actually be blu rays. My other tv is a kuro, so i am used to being floored with blu ray quality. Blu Rays didnt seem too much better then my cable feed.

Instead with the projector I was more impressed with my digital cable feed. The okc-mavs game looked amazing!

Black levels will differ from one user to another... I get it.
But with that said, in my current setup the blacks are not too great.
Even in pitch dark they were greyish.

Dont get me wrong, more positives then negatives overall. Its just always easier to point out whats lacking in a product.

Love it!
post #171 of 2855
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Originally Posted by -Ticarus- View Post

All I can say is... WOW! Love the projector so far. Fired her up in my apartment on a vacant wall and watched about 5hrs last night. Man the picture is more impressive then I was expecting... and I dont suffer from RBE... WOO HOO!

My one complain would actually be blu rays. My other tv is a kuro, so i am used to being floored with blu ray quality. Blu Rays didnt seem too much better then my cable feed.

Instead with the projector I was more impressed with my digital cable feed. The okc-mavs game looked amazing!

Black levels will differ from one user to another... I get it.
But with that said, in my current setup the blacks are not too great.
Even in pitch dark they were greyish.

Dont get me wrong, more positives then negatives overall. Its just always easier to point out whats lacking in a product.

Love it!

Congrats and welcome so I will pass on some observations I have made and I'm sure coder and others will drop in, but be sure to calibarate things, at least you brightness and contrast which should help some on the black levels. The other thing that I have noticed that effects the black levels are the color of your side walls, back wall and the ceiling but not as much. So if you shot it on a white wall ( an assumption on my part ) and all of the other walls are white or very light then its hard to drop the black level since you get a lot of reflected light. Now given, your kuro is one of the best at black levels and the mits is not going to have the best black since it doesn't have an iris. Thats one of the benefits to a wide velvet borders, it makes the appearance of the blacks deeper. But I think with a little experimenting you can and will get better blacks, my blu's look awesome with the lights out and I watch a lot of dark movies. Let us know plenty of folks here that can chime in...
post #172 of 2855
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Originally Posted by goebeljj View Post

Thanks for the feedback. I sent the pic to Mits support....we'll see what happens.

I have dealt with their support they are very good and from my experience you should get a new projector...let us know how it goes.
post #173 of 2855
Whats a good screen to pair with the hc4000.

I guess I would want more pop from the picture. I did play around with the 2.35 mode. Switching the aspect button for 16:9 really didnt look too bad. But man was the picture smaller(obviously).

I will go 16:9 ratio. Open living room area. Room has windows.

Around $500 budget for screen. Looking for one with thick velvet borders

What are some good options. Thanks!
post #174 of 2855
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Originally Posted by -Ticarus- View Post

Whats a good screen to pair with the hc4000.

I guess I would want more pop from the picture. I did play around with the 2.35 mode. Switching the aspect button for 16:9 really didnt look too bad. But man was the picture smaller(obviously).

I will go 16:9 ratio. Open living room area. Room has windows.

Around $500 budget for screen. Looking for one with thick velvet borders

What are some good options. Thanks!

Good question, if you are going to be competing with ambient light I would go with something like and elite ezframe, cinegrey. However it depends on how much you want to spend and how big, I"m doing 106 on a jamestown grey, it has big thick velvet borders but its not very grey more comparable to da-lite hccv material and it washes out with litle light, the elite cinegrey would hold up a little better but I don't think you can get the cinegrey in 110", IRC they go from 106 to 120 in grey, but it is a good grey. I loked at most in my price range, all of the ones I looked at were fixed screens, dalite, elite, carada and others. I went with jamestown due to cost the elite would have been a little more and would have done better with the ambient light....but at the time it's hard to know that, my first time going into it. You can see pictures of the jamestown above in my pictures...I think the border is like 3inches...
post #175 of 2855
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by -Ticarus- View Post

All I can say is... WOW! Love the projector so far. My one complain would actually be blu rays. My other tv is a kuro, so i am used to being floored with blu ray quality. Blu Rays didnt seem too much better then my cable feed.

Instead with the projector I was more impressed with my digital cable feed. The okc-mavs game looked amazing!

Black levels will differ from one user to another... I get it.
But with that said, in my current setup the blacks are not too great.

Dont get me wrong, more positives then negatives overall. Its just always easier to point out whats lacking in a product.

Love it!

This projector basically is very close to being # 1 in two categories as you've noticed, that is processing cable feeds, and bright scene POP overall. I don't know why, but there is something special about how Mits processes cable signals that seems to give it an advantage over every other projector I've tested for non-perfect sources. Maybe it is because the lack of processing the Mits is doing that is the real key here.

Still, it should look even better on a Bluray, but I bet it's the calibration or maybe a setting on your bluray player.

For black levels, it's just a tad below average, but not terrible either. I have a feeling only the Infocus sp8602 is going to beat the MIts overall without going to some ridiculous $5000+ price, but never seen that PJ either, so can't say for sure.

Personally I'll take the worse black levels since the MIts is #1 (or close to it) in the other two categories. The problem is, if you go with a projector that does good blacks, then you'll lose the bright scene POP or cable perfection.

Also, if you are watching an uncalibrated Plasma (no idea on how Kuro's OTB are), then it probably has unrealistic contrast and color. To me Plasmas do provide a sort of a ridiculous level of POP on some content, but on the other hand, when you really think about it, it's not giving a very natural picture, at least to my eye. Every time I watch a Plasma, it looks like the picture has too much contrast (more than real life).

You gotta also give yourself some time to adjust to a closer to D65 type image. The contrast of the Mits in bright scenes is superb though.

I don't watch Plasmas much, but funny that right now I am stuck watching a Plasma because I am at someone elses house for the weeked. It is a lowish-end Plasma (50" LG), but it still has good blacks.

When I watch Plasmas, they still usually look cartoony to me, although sometimes in a good way. Point is Plasmas seem to exagerrate colors and contrast beyond what is REAL LIFE. Of course that is mostly calibration, but as I'm not going to calibrate someone elses TV without their permission, then I don't have time to see it at D65.

As far as black levels, well that's the trade off, it's like the NBA draft, you can't draft the best 3 players, you go over budget, but you might get 2 of the best

As always, pick your poison (2 out of 3 is pretty good, most projectors are 1 out of 3 at best)
post #176 of 2855
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Screenshots are fun, but they don't tell you anything.

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"Mits hc3800

Sanyo Z5

Also, if you can take a picture of the Avalanche in the Planet Earth series, this is a good test for image noise."
post #177 of 2855
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"Here is the rating from Consumer Reports. The first 9 are CR recommended. Both Mits 4000 and 3800 are "best buy." If you want more details information, you should join CR internet membership. It's $30/year. I have been supporting them for years and love it. Hope this help. This is one of the reason I picked the HC4000 and love it.


1. JVC DLA-HD250 (86)
2. JVC DLA-HD550 (86)
3. Sony VPL-VWPRO1 (80)
4. Sony Bravia VPL-HW15 (80)
5. Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 8500UB (79)
6. Mitsubishi HC4000 (78)
7. Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 8700 UB (78)
8. Panasonic PT-AE4000U (77)
9. Mitsubishi HC3800 (75)
10. BenQ W6000 (74)
11. Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 8100 (73)
12. Sharp XV-Z15000 (73)
13. Sanyo PLV-Z3000 (73)
14. Sanyo PLV-Z700 (73)
15. Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 8350 (72)
16. Samsung SP-A600B (71)
17. Optoma HD6700 (71)
18. Optoma HD20 (68)
19. Mitsubishi HC6800 (67)
20. Sanyo PLV-Z4000 (65)
21. Vivitek H1081 (64)
22. ViewSonic Pro8200 (56)
23. BenQ W1000 (56)"
post #178 of 2855
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Screenshots are fun, but they don't tell you anything.

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I don't know, the more shots I'm seeing of the Sanyo z4000, the more I am liking its sharpness.
...
Look at the 3 below images, wow the z4000 is a ton sharper compared to the 8700ub in that image (too bad its not a truely valid comparison), but even looks a tad bit sharper than the sp8602. Look at the "Go for Flight" TEXT and underneath that the "IO ERROR FF4", they are real blurry on the Epson compared to the Sanyo, even though the text is smaller on the Sanyo (image taken farther away). The Benq text is still readable at almost half the size of the text of the others!

Epson 8700ub


Sanyo z4000


Here is the Benq (Benq ate everyone for breakfast in this comparison):

Here is the sp8602, looks close to the Sanyo judging from reading the text called "flip file" and "main menu"
(hard to tell though from Art's annoying sharpness comparison images)


Hmm, looks like the Sanyo z4000 might give the hc4000 a run for the money in sharpness if I can get one with less than 1/2 pixel convergence error.
(I didn't include his hc4000 image, because it's obviously he messed up on the pic as it looks completely blurry, he probably accidentally swapped it for the wrong image, seen him do this before). The Epson looks completely out of focus compared to the Benq, hah. The Sanyo is at least closer.

If there is really that much difference in sharpness between the z4000 and the 8700ub, then Epson needs to put more emphasis on sharpness.
I'm all for "sharpness doesn't matter much in movies", but at some point it DOES matter. If the Epson is really that blurry looking, I could see it even in movies easily if there is that much difference (ouch).

I know the 8500ub's I had a couple years ago were not sharp at all, and it was bad enough to be easily discernible in movies, that's why I got rid of the 8500ub.
...

They were good before!
post #179 of 2855
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Originally Posted by bishopt View Post

I have dealt with their support they are very good and from my experience you should get a new projector...let us know how it goes.

After two quick emails (picture of problem and proof of purchase), mits gave me a case # for a new PJ. The good customer service reported in earlier posts gave me a lot of confidence in buying this PJ....it appears to be justified.
post #180 of 2855
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Originally Posted by goebeljj View Post

After two quick emails (picture of problem and proof of purchase), mits gave me a case # for a new PJ. The good customer service reported in earlier posts gave me a lot of confidence in buying this PJ....it appears to be justified.

Yeah, bummer you got a defective one, but I think they have good QA and I think your next one should be a keeper...let us know how it goes...
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