Official Panasonic 2011 TC-PxxS30 Thread - Page 17

If i were just a movie guy, I'd blast down to BestBuy, and get myself a 50" UT50. But, i'm a gamer so the choices(because of input lag being all over the place on
every model) is much more severely limmited especially for me because i'm looking for a 1 frame/16ms capable set and nothing over the 20ms mark.

The 2011 Panasonic sets apperantly have less lag than the 2012 models, so now i'm basically finding myself looking online for used sets. I'd normally go for the ST30 since
it has 3D and more control options, 'but' it has that filter(Like this years ST50 and onwards) which makes the image looks less clear and crisp. i couldn't care less about that for movies,
but for gaming i want that extra crispness/clearness so that counts the ST50 out...Yet i'd LOVE to have 3D...But eh, i could always possibly upgrade to a Panasonic 2013 Plasma if Panasonic ends up dishing out 16ms sets. XP

Anyways! Just wondering if anybody has gamed on the S30? How do you think the black levels would compare to this years X5? Which i currently own btw. It delivers WONDERFUL color, it's the brightest
plasma i've ever seen in 'game mode' when gaming or 'vivid' and the blacks for me are pretty solid and get the job done. Motion handeling could be a smidge better, but i'm perfectly fine with it. I just need 1080p(the ability to display true 720p), 16ms of input lag and a 50" screen. But yup! There's a 50" S30 in 'like-new' condition going for $900 + Shipping online,which seems a bit overpriced, but i'll deal. OR i can get the 60" for $600 + $190 shipping which would fit my new HDTV stand perfectly, but i worry that 720p Wii U games will take a hit in quality if i go that large...hmmm vhat to do. XP But i've got to get some facts straight. Input lag being the main thing here. the X5 i believe is 2 frames/32ms through component. I'll know soon enough how. 'HDMI' fairs instead in the next few days which i'm hoping reduces lag. But it could very well raise it.

If the S30 does 16ms, i'm going to return the X5 and order this baby which will be my new 1080p 50"incher in time for the Wii U and of course for movie needs.
Edited by WaveBoy - 7/28/12 at 7:26pm

I cannot compare to a 2012 model, but I currently have a P60S30 and I play BF3 on my 360 all the time (HDMI through a Denon AVR-991). I don't notice any lag at all. Also, it is bright enough for me and the blacks are dark, but BF3 isn't a "color popping" game. Forza 4 looks/plays just fine as well. My kids play the Wii so I don't pay too much attention to it.

O hope that helps a little.

Anybody know if there are any network cameras besides the panasonic cameras that work with the panasonic TVs? I would like to purchase something with a few more features for a little less $.

This confuses me. I u derstand the SM...and my defaults are considerably different. However.. where are you getting the +1 and +2 numbers? I have my defaults, but don't know how much to add or subtract the values

hey guys i just bought the TC-p60s30, I tried those calibration in this thread but I can't see any different. Moreover, the movie I play can't stretch out as the full resolution. I play HD movies through my computer connecting to the TV by HDMI. I also use xbox 360 to play game. Can you guys recommend me a best calibration but still keep the full screen?

Hi folks,

I'm trying to connect an optical cable from my P50S30 to go to my AVR. Do I need an engineering degree for this? I've tried 2 different cables but with the same results. I've plug the cable to the back of my AVR just fine but when I try to plug it in the back of the TV, it seems I can't push it back far enough for the cable to stay. It only seems to go in one way? Is there something I have to remove first?

I'm not feeling particularly intelligent right now

I put in all those settings and the only thing I couldn't figure out is how you got HD size 2 because on my TV it has that line greyed out along with Zoom adjustments. Can anyone tell me how to change it?

I have the tcp60s30. Is there a way to watch netflix on it? I have the latest firmware, 1.3 but there is no netflix option.

Thanks.

My p50s30 has Netflix as well as amazon, Facebook, dlna, and a couple others, I access these with the Viera tools button on remote, Netflix interface is not great but it is there

After being dissapointed with Cinema's abnormally dim picture and milky/grey gamma, I've
finally settled with Custom mode(When set to 'Graphics' only) and i'm extremely happy with the resuls, RED PUSH aside. It's now looking extremely close to the previous 32" CRT I had
a while back!

Custom - (HDMI content set to 'Graphics' Which fixes Custom from looking harsh and completely artificial.)

Contrast: 98
Brightness: 50
Color: 40 - (That evil red push makes everybody look sun burnt at 50...Dialing it down a bit below 42 corrects this, but then everything else looks a bit washed out)
TINT: 0
Sharpness: 50

Color Temp: WARM1
Blacks: Light


I'm going to have to dive a little deeper into this thread and find out how to properly access the service menu
so i can finally get rid ofthat nasty red push. XP Once that is fixed I'll be completely satisfyed.
Edited by WaveBoy - 2/25/13 at 10:05am

While the S30 is GREAT for gaming in game mode(you get the 1 frame/16ms of lag when using 'component' cables
in GAME mode, with Color management and video noise reduction set to 'OFF' and the color matrix
being set to 'HD'), i find it to be quite the dissapointment for film. Cinema may provide the most natural looking image, but again it's just too dim, the gamma
seems a bit on the milky side(Another big dissapointment, NO gamma contol!) and like every other mode it suffers from Red push. You
basically have to knock down the color to '40' to be rid of it, but then the rest of the picture looks washed out. XP

Custom improves greatly on the brightness, but it comes at a price. Dithering, plus some nasty black & white clipping
making for an unpleasent, harsh and unatural looking picture. To knock this down you have to change HDMI content
to 'GRAPHICS' which helps out A LOT...but doesn't correct the issue. Thus, giving Cinema mode the advantage.

Ugh, i now understand the frusturation of many of the S30 owners in this thread.lol It's especially
frustrating being so used to a Sony Wega 32" SDTV TUBE TV where color issues were none existent, the motion was perefect
and the black levels(while great on the S30) were amazing and the picture was natural. I'm sure the 2013 'S60' corrects most of these issues, and i'd
be on board, but it will most likely be pushing 3 frames of lag like last years U50...IF by some miracle it CAN do 1 frame via component,
i'll be selling my S30 and getting either the 55" or 60" . XP

Edit:: Raising the Brightness from 50 - 62 in custom mode definitly helped out with the shadow detail and there doesn't seem to be any comprise in
blacks. I didn't realise i was Black-crushing the entire picture at '50', i forgot my Blacks were set to light. XP This actually made quite the difference. XD

Custom - (HDMI Content set to 'Graphcics')

Contrast: 69
Brightness: 58
Color: 47
TINT: 0
SHarpness: 50

Warm 1
Color mgmnt: ON
Size 2
Blacks: Light
Edited by WaveBoy - 3/7/13 at 11:35am

I don't find cinema too dim at all. Of course-- I watch movies in the dark, play games in the dark and have an LCD for watching tv in the daytime so...

I don't know...Cinema a little dull to me and i too watch movies in the dark. It's a combination of the dim picture and milky grey hazey gamma. It's an enormous
dissapointment after being so accustomed to those picture perfect CRT tube TV's. HD, Progressivescan, HDMI, Widescreen
and a large screen are great and all, but i don't like the idea of sacrificing anything in order to get a few extra bells and whistles.
And actually raising the brightness past 57 in custom mode DOES seem to effect the black levels, so i'm back down to that
again. XP Shadow detail is weaker in custom, due to the low gamma...But the picture, based on the way i have
it now looks very close to my previous 2 CRT SDTV's. It's just the red push and wonky gamma/detail crushing that's ticking me off.

If i could correct the red push and gamma for custom mode in the service menu I'd be totaly at ease.lol It' like there's no inbetween with the gamma on this set.
My previous LG 42" 2011 Plasma may of had lack luster black levels, but it had absolutely nothing funky going on.
No red or green push, and you had numerous options including gamma control. Yet I got rid of it because of the weak black levels
and because of the terrible input lag. ;p


BTW, you mentioned earlier that the Wii looked horrible on this set. I've got to disagree with you on that man. First of all, if you
have Wii games displayed in 16:9/widescreen then YUP it's gonna look bad. You're basically stretching a 640x480, which is the native
res of a wii game regardless if most of the games were designed with 16:9 in mind. which results in a softer, duller and fuzzier image. 4:3 looks crisp, clear and looks much better in motion.
Using component cables, sticking it in 4:3 by going into the console settings and doing the same on your TV, while using game mode while maxing the contrast, and amping up the sharpness produces one beautiful picture.

Super Mario Galaxy looks outstanding on my 60" Game mode is a must, cinema on the other hand looks terrible for gaming which is a big no no. XP
Anyways, have you messed around in the service menu? I've gotten into it, but i don't know how to properly navigate it. XP You'd think the
arrow keys would let you go up and down but that isn't the case on this set.
Edited by WaveBoy - 3/6/13 at 12:29pm

In a totally dark room I think cinema is plenty bright. With the lights on this becomes a different matter entirely.

The S is not a bright display and this combined with the complete lack of screen filter makes this a poor choice for daytime viewing. I like the display but unfortunately it's products like this that give plasma a bad name-- this set feels like a 'specialty' display to me. It simply doesn't have the versatility that my previous Panasonic plasma did... It's fairly dim, highly reflective, buzzes like a cheap piece of **** and suffers from the worst IR I've seen since the old Samsung sets. Basically, my using it as a dedicated movie/gaming set for dark room viewing (and I babysit the hell out of it for IR) works-- not sure I'd be very happy with this set if I needed it to play more roles.

Personally I think the gamma is fine in cinema. I back off the color temp a bit to warm 1 which I find a little more natural. I do use a tuned 'game' setting to watch sports and, well, play games as it makes the picture a little brighter and provides a false sense of contrast-- still the white crush and eff'd up gamma in all the other picture modes sends me right back to cinema for any serious viewing.

I disagree that wii looks anything but awful on this set but then wii probably looks awful on everything but small 720p displays so...