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post #31 of 57
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Originally Posted by Strevlac View Post

Easy using automated dirt removal software or manually? I don't know how good the automated processes have gotten nowadays, but they used to cause all kinds of bizarre problems.

At any rate I watched this on youtube about a week ago. That's probably the best way to watch it.

It depends on the dirt. But no, you can't just turn it on and walk away. If it's little white negative dirt specks, you can do a minute or so at one time. You can see it finding the tiny white specks and only the tiny white specks - don't know how it works, but it's really fun to watch, and, of course, you see the result right away and if something went awry you'd be able to see it. But mostly, dirt, scratches and stuff is dealt with on a case by case basis. I was in the clean-up room today watching it done - it's really interesting and fun.
post #32 of 57
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Originally Posted by haineshisway View Post

Which is why I doubt Shout Factory did their own scan of anything.

You "doubt" that they did? Didn't you just say everyone should congratulate Fox for this transfer because there's no way Shout would have done it themselves?

BTW someone asked Cliff over at AVManiacs and he said Shout did their own HD transfer from the print that was sitting in the Fox vaults (there's a specific telecine operator listed in the inlay as well).
post #33 of 57
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Originally Posted by DM2006RI View Post

You "doubt" that they did? Didn't you just say everyone should congratulate Fox for this transfer because there's no way Shout would have done it themselves?

BTW someone asked Cliff over at AVManiacs and he said Shout did their own HD transfer from the print that was sitting in the Fox vaults (there's a specific telecine operator listed in the inlay as well).

I said I would find it very odd if Fox would give their assets (meaning any kind of negative) to someone else - a print, maybe. So, if that's what this is from no wonder it looks like it does - it's many generations away from the camera negative, and frankly I'm surprised they got any color out of what must have been printed on Eastman stock, unless it was a Fuji print - I don't think LPP had quite come in yet.
post #34 of 57
Why on earth do you says things and spreading rumors about things that you don't have any knowledge about?
post #35 of 57
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Originally Posted by NIN74 View Post

Why on earth do you says things and spreading rumors about things that you don't have any knowledge about?

Apparently his sources arent as good as he thinks.

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not a fault of the transfer, which, BTW, Shout Factory had nothing whatsoever to do with - they were handed a master by Fox, so congratulate them.

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Shout Factory is releasing the blu-ray but had nothing to do with the hi-def transfer, which was handed to them by Fox
post #36 of 57
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Originally Posted by NIN74 View Post

Why on earth do you says things and spreading rumors about things that you don't have any knowledge about?

I'm not spreading anything. I know how Fox works, at least with one label and I shouldn't have thought that these days a release print would have been used for a transfer, but I believe that's the only thing Fox would let out of its possession. I do not think they would let any sort of negative out of their possession, but I don't work there - I just know how it works with others who've licensed from them.
post #37 of 57
You have not put up ANY proof of this so your knowledge "how it works" gets a F from me.
post #38 of 57
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I'm watching the DVD now here at work and there seems to be a lot of grain fluctuation, especially at the stock missle launch/detonation scenes, but overall I am very happy to at least get a widescreen DVD/BD release, which honestly I never though we would see even a DVD release! The DVD is reported to be 6.8 GB, so at least they didnt try to cram it onto a single layer DVD5.

I ordered 2 copies of both the DVD and BD from Amazon. None of the retail stores have it in store (Target, BB, Wallyworld).

I have a question though. Just noticed at the 11:30 timecode (earth space shot-post nuclear strikes) that South America has totally disappeared. Did the nuclear detonations raise world temperatures enough to melt both the polar caps and therefore raise ocean levels enough to submerge the entire South America continent, and if so then why didnt the costal portions of the North American continient also get submerged?
post #39 of 57
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You have not put up ANY proof of this so your knowledge "how it works" gets a F from me.

And I think you can probably figure out how much I care.
post #40 of 57
I'm going to ask for this title for Christmas.

As far as camera negative, the effects wouldn't even be filmed with the in camera negative. Unless there's a really nice low contrast "negative" that's created with all the effects in place.

Does anyone know for sure what source was used to create this Blu-ray?


And the old LD of the same title...was it full frame or wide screen?
post #41 of 57
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

I'm going to ask for this title for Christmas.

As far as camera negative, the effects wouldn't even be filmed with the in camera negative. Unless there's a really nice low contrast "negative" that's created with all the effects in place.

Does anyone know for sure what source was used to create this Blu-ray?


And the old LD of the same title...was it full frame or wide screen?

Never saw the LD, nor did I know it even existed, but it was surely 4x3 since just 2 years ago the Amazon unbox VOD version was 4x3 and if they had a widescreen version, they surely would have used it instead of the 4x3 version.

I know peoples expectations are very high here on AVSForum, but I am just happy to get a pretty good looking, non 4x3 version of this film!
I had all but given up on the DVD release a couple years ago.
post #42 of 57
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Originally Posted by haineshisway View Post

Reshooting the entire film might help if it had a different script, director, and effects team

I'm trying , I'm trying.
post #43 of 57
I just received a box on my doorstep of Christmas gifts...or should I say gift. I only asked for one thing and from the weight of the box, I have a strong feeling there's a Blu-ray disc in there!

I hope it's the title I asked for!!!
post #44 of 57
I'm pretty excited about this title. I was just reading today how the movie "Logan's Run" (1976) was outdated quickly within one year when "Star Wars" (1977) came out.

The special effects in "Star Wars" was so advanced for it's time, it put to shame "Logan's Run" and any other movie that had dealt with Sci Fi such as "Future World" (1976) and "Embryo" (1976.)

"Damnation Alley" on the other hand (from what I have read) was thought to be the big blockbuster with a pretty big budget for 1977...of course, we all know what happened.

"Star Wars" was so big, for me it simply took over EVERYTHING since I have never heard of "Damnation Alley." That is till just two years later when "Alien" came out. When I saw that movie, all bets were off...Sci Fi never looked the same!
post #45 of 57
Evidently the movie was 95 minutes cut down to 91 minutes according to

http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~ntucs82/...017/sf/33.html

IMDB has it listed as being 91 minutes so does anyone know what was cut out?
post #46 of 57
Here's a video of the Landmaster getting ready for a show!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7017454705561#






post #47 of 57
Wow. Actual grain. No DNR to madness levels. How the hell did this happen? Somebody should be fired!
post #48 of 57
I've heard that most of the edits were from the opening of the film. Murray Hamilton is briefly visible (literally for seconds and with no dialog) as the station commander, and his presence - right on the heels of Jaws - would suggest that much more time was going to be spent in this section of the story with his character playing a major role.

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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

Evidently the movie was 95 minutes cut down to 91 minutes according to

http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~ntucs82/...017/sf/33.html

IMDB has it listed as being 91 minutes so does anyone know what was cut out?
post #49 of 57
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Originally Posted by withnail View Post

I've heard that most of the edits were from the opening of the film. Murray Hamilton is briefly visible (literally for seconds and with no dialog) as the station commander, and his presence - right on the heels of Jaws - would suggest that much more time was going to be spent in this section of the story with his character playing a major role.

I believe I read someplace a long time ago that the longer cut appeared on TV one time but the source material for the longer cut has long since vanished. So its likely the 95 minute cut will never be seen again.

I really enjoy Damnation Alley. I am so glad it was released by Shout Factory. I guess its one of those guilty pleasures. On paper it really is not that good and sometimes when I watch it I am like "This is such crap" but then I just keep on watching it over and over again. I must have seen it 10 times now since it came out last summer. I also think the opening sequence is one of the most dramatic ever filmed for a post apocalyptic film and probably why I watch it over and over again.

Off topic but I hope we see Space Raiders on Blu (or heck even DVD) at some point. A cheesy guilty pleasure during the Sci Fi "B" movie blitz from the early 80's. The question has been asked but Shout Factory indicated the ownership of this film is still in question so it will likely not be released anytime soon. A DVD version came out about 5 years ago give or take a year but the pressing was extremely limited. It quickly sold out and its highly prized today. A used copy was going for $250 on Amazon about 6 months ago. It ain't worth that to me!!
post #50 of 57
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Off topic but I hope we see Space Raiders on Blu (or heck even DVD) at some point. It quickly sold out and its highly prized today. A used copy was going for $250 on Amazon about 6 months ago. It ain't worth that to me!!

Well, they have it in five parts on youtube. Here's the first part...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUz5HqCOdew
post #51 of 57
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

Well, they have it in five parts on youtube. Here's the first part...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUz5HqCOdew

Yeah I have seen that before. Since the movie is on You Tube it must be open source by now or perhaps nobody really cares. Still not my favorite way to watch it. Would be nice to see it on Blu or DVD. I am sure one day it will show up again.
post #52 of 57
Not my way to really watch it either. However, I did watch the first 10 minutes of it that way. It gave me a really good idea of the type of quality it is.

Looks like it has lots of influence from "Star Wars."
post #53 of 57
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post


Looks like it has lots of influence from "Star Wars."

I suspect you will be disappointed when you watch the film
post #54 of 57
As a kid, I really liked Space Raiders. I think I saw part of it later in life and it wasn't as good as I remembered. I wouldn't mind having it on Blu-ray though.
post #55 of 57
Got "Dammation Alley" on Blu-ray for Christmas!!!!
post #56 of 57
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Hopefully you enjoy this guilty pleasure.

I called Anchor Bay about 6 years ago, as I think they had the rights to this title at the time, to inquire about the DVD release date and they told me they thought they had "lost" the film elements! So I had all but written off this title from ever getting released on DVD let alone BD. I was very suprised and happy to see it announced earlier this year and bought both the DVD and BD.
post #57 of 57
I read where the DVD version is cropped to 1.78:1. I don't know if it's true or not.
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