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post #1531 of 6373
8/19/11 at 10:54am
It's probably not permanent, but will take weeks or a few hundred hours to fade. For the first few days it will seem like it is isn't going anywhere. Then a week later you'll notice it is quite faded, then in 2-3 weeks you'll barely be able to see it.
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post #1532 of 6373
8/19/11 at 11:03am
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Update:

Panasonic - provided me with a number of a local repair shop, as this issue isn't covered under warranty.

Local repair shop - the repair cost wouldn't be worth it (i.e. buy another one). In fact, they haven't even done such a repair.


Sweet. At this point, I suppose I'll just keep running this for a week and live with it. Otherwise, I'll see if I can unload it (here, eBay, Craigslist, etc.). Man, this sucks.

I have no help to offer, but I wish you the best of luck. Sorry...
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post #1533 of 6373
8/19/11 at 11:47am
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Sigh... so my less than 10 day old 65VT30 is burnt. "Cannot open file" is stuck smack-dead in the center of my screen (duplicate dummy images were opened after every good one for nearly 24 hours which displayed this message). I've ran the 20 images on the recommended settings for close to 48 hours now, with minimal improvement. It is not visible on the red and blue slides, only green and white/gray.

I've already placed a claim with Amex, who will provide $1000 if approved. So, is there any chance this will diminish further if I continue running the slides? Is Panasonic able to "repair" this (assuming panel replacement) - if so, what are we talking, cost wise? Otherwise, does anyone have any suggestions? This sucks. Thanks.

So where did this "cannot open file" message appear and why? Something you did?

-- Either way I would not call your display trash. After you use your panel for a few hundred hours, I bet you see this drift away.
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post #1534 of 6373
8/19/11 at 11:58am
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yes, they will be wiped.. see my Post #1424 as well

What else is required to back up/re-apply the settings other than the program and a license?
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post #1535 of 6373
8/19/11 at 1:30pm
@Cleveland, he ran the burn-in slides with a bad set of files so for every set of slides he got an error message of equal length for half the time. We can sit here and explain that one should really make sure the burn-in slides are running properly (ok, we just did that) and then move on...

@contrast, your display is fine. I know you're not feeling it right now, but it's fine. It might take a good few hundred hours before you realize how fine it is, but it'll get there. If you want to not suffer that, you can sell it to someone who will (send me a PM, I'll give you more than AMEX! ).

I'm not sure what the ideal image would be. I might try some "snow" from the tuner with the settings turned up high. I don't know enough about the burn in slides, though. They might be fine to keep running. Their uniformity, however, might make them sup-optimal to blur this in the fastest time possible.
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post #1536 of 6373
8/19/11 at 6:22pm
Thanks for the replies. Yes, I admit it is 100% my fault. I was angry when I realized what I did, but was hoping that having a full image of equal duration between wouldn't create such a problem. I just watched a Netflix HD show, and it really didn't stand out much. It's really solid colors (especially green, and white/gray) - menus, etc. Red and blue - no issues. I did notice when briefly re-running the built in scrubbing program, a more noticeable reduction. Anyway, thanks for giving me some reassurance. I will try some tuner snow.

Edit: Is it possible on this set to have constant "snow?" If detected, it immediately goes to a solid background.
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post #1537 of 6373
8/19/11 at 7:21pm
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Thanks for the replies. Yes, I admit it is 100% my fault. I was angry when I realized what I did, but was hoping that having a full image of equal duration between wouldn't create such a problem. I just watched a Netflix HD show, and it really didn't stand out much. It's really solid colors (especially green, and white/gray) - menus, etc. Red and blue - no issues. I did notice when briefly re-running the built in scrubbing program, a more noticeable reduction. Anyway, thanks for giving me some reassurance. I will try some tuner snow.

Edit: Is it possible on this set to have constant "snow?" If detected, it immediately goes to a solid background.

crazy idea but is there any way to create negative images of what was displayed to cause the IR??? Seems like it wold completely clear it in the same amount of time it took to cause it.
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post #1538 of 6373
8/19/11 at 8:14pm
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@contrast, your display is fine. I know you're not feeling it right now, but it's fine. It might take a good few hundred hours before you realize how fine it is, but it'll get there. If you want to not suffer that, you can sell it to someone who will (send me a PM, I'll give you more than AMEX! ).

+1 his display will be fine, keep smiling there are worse things to worry about at this day and age.....
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post #1539 of 6373
8/19/11 at 9:55pm
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+1 his display will be fine, keep smiling there are worse things to worry about at this day and age.....
I agree. For any of you familiar with Reddit, this would fit nicely in First World Problems.
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post #1540 of 6373
8/19/11 at 9:56pm
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crazy idea but is there any way to create negative images of what was displayed to cause the IR??? Seems like it wold completely clear it in the same amount of time it took to cause it.
It probably would accelerate the recovery, but landing it just right would be fairly difficult. The burnt image is one that is innate to the PDP software.
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post #1541 of 6373
8/19/11 at 10:04pm
would anyone take a 60gt30 over a 55vt30 and if so why?

I am looking at both displays trying to decide which one to purchase. I am used to viewing my Pioneer pdp-5010 non elite kuro in the living room. And I have a Pioneer PRO-111 elite in my theater room both of these are 50 inch displays.
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post #1542 of 6373
8/20/11 at 12:14am
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would anyone take a 60gt30 over a 55vt30 and if so why?

I am looking at both displays trying to decide which one to purchase. I am used to viewing my Pioneer pdp-5010 non elite kuro in the living room. And I have a Pioneer PRO-111 elite in my theater room both of these are 50 inch displays.
Take the VT as it scored the highest in HTM of all three (ST, GT & VT) models, better blacks and more picture control management! If money is an issue go for the ST as it's a great value for the money!
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post #1543 of 6373
8/20/11 at 5:43am
Got my 65VT30 last night (my first Plasma)! I'm coming from a 61" Samsung LED DLP. You guys weren't kidding about the weight! There was no way my wife was going to be able to help me get it in the house and on it's stand.

I downloaded the break-in slides and got those started. It is going to absolutely kill me not to be able to watch my TV for four days during break-in

I've still never seen one of these, well unless you count a solid screen of red... or blue... or...

Can't wait!
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post #1544 of 6373
8/20/11 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan View Post

Got my 65VT30 last night (my first Plasma)! I'm coming from a 61" Samsung LED DLP. You guys weren't kidding about the weight! There was no way my wife was going to be able to help me get it in the house and on it's stand.

I downloaded the break-in slides and got those started. It is going to absolutely kill me not to be able to watch my TV for four days during break-in

I've still never seen one of these, well unless you count a solid screen of red... or blue... or...

Can't wait!

you should really watch what this bad boy can do...Why not enjoy your purchase and watch full screen HBO..or dvd's.?
There will be no burn in or retention issues to worry about and you can start getting your monies worth!
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post #1545 of 6373
8/20/11 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by Techlord View Post

Take the VT as it scored the highest in HTM of all three (ST, GT & VT) models, better blacks and more picture control management! If money is an issue go for the ST as it's a great value for the money!

Thanks Techlord.
I am wanting to move my Kuro out of my living room and was hoping to put either the VT30 or the 60vt30 in the living room. Would like something bigger than my 50inch that I have there now.

Could someone post accurate black level readings for the 55vt30 and the 60gt30. This would help in my desicion. My understanding is the VT has a better PQ than the GT but if the black levels are real close I might be tempted to go with the larger 60gt display.
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post #1546 of 6373
8/20/11 at 8:21am
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you should really watch what this bad boy can do...Why not enjoy your purchase and watch full screen HBO..or dvd's.?
There will be no burn in or retention issues to worry about and you can start getting your monies worth!

Hmmm....
That sure does sound good
If my wife decides to watch TV for a bit, how long would she have to watch one channel (with logo or bars) to cause me any problems while the tv's new though??
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post #1547 of 6373
8/20/11 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan View Post

Hmmm....
That sure does sound good
If my wife decides to watch TV for a bit, how long would she have to watch one channel (with logo or bars) to cause me any problems while the tv's new though??

It would help if you advised wether or not you are following a procedure that
doesn't allow any deviation
The advice I was given by my Panny dealer was that It was OK to watch logo'd tv or BLACKBAR pillared TV for a few hours ,then go back to the slides..
Do not TURN OFF the Tv for any reason....just run straight for the full 150 plus
hours...I am currently following that advice to the letter...andI see absolutely
No burn in or retention....My break in will end Monday..
Please,if some one has conflicting info..please provide same....but,at this point,the set is flawless
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post #1548 of 6373
8/20/11 at 10:27am
I have been having a hard time adressing these issues, no one seems to want to answer them:

Is there a noticeable difference in black levels between the 55 and 65" VT30s? Like there is comparing 51" to 59/64 Samsungs?

Also, is the firmware update making the calibration options 'better' available yet?

Also, how is IR on this set?
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post #1549 of 6373
8/20/11 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan View Post

Hmmm....
That sure does sound good
If my wife decides to watch TV for a bit, how long would she have to watch one channel (with logo or bars) to cause me any problems while the tv's new though??

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Originally Posted by hodges69 View Post

It would help if you advised wether or not you are following a procedure that
doesn't allow any deviation
The advice I was given by my Panny dealer was that It was OK to watch logo'd tv or BLACKBAR pillared TV for a few hours ,then go back to the slides..
Do not TURN OFF the Tv for any reason....just run straight for the full 150 plus
hours...I am currently following that advice to the letter...andI see absolutely
No burn in or retention....My break in will end Monday..
Please,if some one has conflicting info..please provide same....but,at this point,the set is flawless

The 55VT30 is my first plasma too. It was only until reading this thread and forum (researching the TV) that I'd ever heard of "breaking in" any display and I consider myself highly tech savvy. I got seriously worked up and stressed out about it convincing myself I wasn't going to watch any 'normal' content until 150hrs of slides had been reached.

I have nothing against the various procedures or those who are following them for whatever reason (e.g. using someones calibration settings). For me, I just decided to be smart about my viewing habits and enjoy the device for what I bought it for... watching TV and movies. I have played around with the slides and have let them run for 30-45 minutes a few different times only to help me get up to the 150hrs for a calibration.

I set movies on THX mode and STB content on Cinema mode keeping the brightness and contrast below 55 on each. I try to watch all full screen HD content and vary it so I'm not watching anything with persistent logos for more than 1 hr and let the commercials play a bit to vary the screen in between (when logos are present). Any blu-ray movies with letterbox I just zoom in and get it to display full screen. It still looks amazing. My wife hasn't followed my tyrannical instructions 100% and a couple times I've intervened her watching SD content that wasn't zoomed. Hasn't happened for more than an hour.

I just checked today and I've got 75 hrs on the unit. According to the service menu, I've turned the unit on 44 times the past three and a half weeks. Bottom line, it looks absolutely gorgeous and stunning. No IR, no burn in, slides look perfect to my anxiety filled eyes. I can't see a single defect with my set... including the dreaded FBr (unless I just haven't run across it yet).

At the end of the day, if you want to run the slides, run them, but don't be afraid to watch normal content sensibly. It's an amazing TV... enjoy it!
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post #1550 of 6373
8/20/11 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by sl1200mk2 View Post

The 55VT30 is my first plasma too. It was only until reading this thread and forum (researching the TV) that I'd ever heard of "breaking in" any display and I consider myself highly tech savvy. I got seriously worked up and stressed out about it convincing myself I wasn't going to watch any 'normal' content until 150hrs of slides had been reached.

I have nothing against the various procedures or those who are following them for whatever reason (e.g. using someones calibration settings). For me, I just decided to be smart about my viewing habits and enjoy the device for what I bought it for... watching TV and movies. I have played around with the slides and have let them run for 30-45 minutes a few different times only to help me get up to the 150hrs for a calibration.

I set movies on THX mode and STB content on Cinema mode keeping the brightness and contrast below 55 on each. I try to watch all full screen HD content and vary it so I'm not watching anything with persistent logos for more than 1 hr and let the commercials play a bit to vary the screen in between (when logos are present). Any blu-ray movies with letterbox I just zoom in and get it to display full screen. It still looks amazing. My wife hasn't followed my tyrannical instructions 100% and a couple times I've intervened her watching SD content that wasn't zoomed. Hasn't happened for more than an hour.

I just checked today and I've got 75 hrs on the unit. According to the service menu, I've turned the unit on 44 times the past three and a half weeks. Bottom line, it looks absolutely gorgeous and stunning. No IR, no burn in, slides look perfect to my anxiety filled eyes. I can't see a single defect with my set... including the dreaded FBr (unless I just haven't run across it yet).

At the end of the day, if you want to run the slides, run them, but don't be afraid to watch normal content sensibly. It's an amazing TV... enjoy it!

You rock and this forum rocks. I hope to have everything installed tonight and I'll turn it on for a bit
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post #1551 of 6373
8/20/11 at 5:13pm
IA

Please give us your take after viewing..
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post #1552 of 6373
8/20/11 at 7:44pm
Ok, so you can't get snow on the screen with these sets. However, get the Disney Wow DVD and it has a pixel flipper that moves every pixel like 25 times a second. I have used this pretty successfully on my plasma to help remove IR from the Fox news channel logo which is a real nasty logo. Put that in and run it for 24 hours and see if it doesn't reduce it in that time by 50%. I bet it does.

My Fox Logo was only noticable on the green and white/grey screens but now it is almost completely gone. Give it a try since the price of a DVD is nothing compared to the cost of new/repair/replacement.
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post #1553 of 6373
8/20/11 at 11:37pm
UPDATE!

My VT30 came in a week early! I couldn't believe my luck! Switched vehicles during my lunch break so I could take it home ASAP. My surround sound unit had arrived the night before. I've got everything up and running now!

55 VT30
Yamaha RX671 Receiver
Polk Audio Blackstone TL150 5.0 Set (great set for the money!)
Polk Audio PSW 125 Powered Sub (300 Watt Peak EPIC)
PS3
Monster Power Manager (Unnecessary maybe but I'm paranoid )

I'll get some pics up once I get my whole room cleaned up right and proper

In the coming months I'll get some bookshelf speakers and upgrade to full 7.1. I am too impatient to do an accelerated break in and the recent post about the accidental burn in has me spooked so I'll just stick to 16x9 content in cinema mode with sparse gaming until my 100 hours are clocked in. Please let me know if this is a terrible idea The first movie I tried was saving private ryan and it sounded and looked great! I am so far very impressed with the 96hz mode as well. I am hoping I dont have any FBR issues. I haven't noticed any yet. My TV is a July 2011 build. Wish me luck!

Thanks for everyone's advice thus far. This forum really helped my decision to purchase and thanks to everyone I have no doubt I made the right choice
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post #1554 of 6373
8/21/11 at 1:51am
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Originally Posted by hodges69 View Post

It would help if you advised wether or not you are following a procedure that
doesn't allow any deviation
The advice I was given by my Panny dealer was that It was OK to watch logo'd tv or BLACKBAR pillared TV for a few hours ,then go back to the slides..
Do not TURN OFF the Tv for any reason....just run straight for the full 150 plus
hours...I am currently following that advice to the letter...andI see absolutely
No burn in or retention....My break in will end Monday..
Please,if some one has conflicting info..please provide same....but,at this point,the set is flawless

Well, that advise is just garbage. There is no reason for you to run it for 150 hours straight! It just faster, but you can TURN THE TV OFF, if you want to. Slides or just watching regular programs at low contrast and brightness for 150+, you can still turn your tv off durings those 150+ hours.
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post #1555 of 6373
8/21/11 at 3:42am
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Originally Posted by SoulCaliber25 View Post

UPDATE!

My VT30 came in a week early! I couldn't believe my luck! Switched vehicles during my lunch break so I could take it home ASAP. My surround sound unit had arrived the night before. I've got everything up and running now!

55 VT30
Yamaha RX671 Receiver
Polk Audio Blackstone TL150 5.0 Set (great set for the money!)
Polk Audio PSW 125 Powered Sub (300 Watt Peak EPIC)
PS3
Monster Power Manager (Unnecessary maybe but I'm paranoid )

I'll get some pics up once I get my whole room cleaned up right and proper

In the coming months I'll get some bookshelf speakers and upgrade to full 7.1. I am too impatient to do an accelerated break in and the recent post about the accidental burn in has me spooked so I'll just stick to 16x9 content in cinema mode with sparse gaming until my 100 hours are clocked in. Please let me know if this is a terrible idea The first movie I tried was saving private ryan and it sounded and looked great! I am so far very impressed with the 96hz mode as well. I am hoping I dont have any FBR issues. I haven't noticed any yet. My TV is a July 2011 build. Wish me luck!

Thanks for everyone's advice thus far. This forum really helped my decision to purchase and thanks to everyone I have no doubt I made the right choice

I haven't heard many comment on the 96Hz mode (24P Playback) as this is one of many reasons for buying a VT model, some find 60Hz works just as good, really depends on the BD movie and the viewer. Not everyone see's exactly the same, some see a rainbow effect (from corner of your eye) on older DLP TV's while some don't. Protecting one's home theater from voltage spikes and power surges is always a healthy thing!
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post #1556 of 6373
8/21/11 at 3:54am
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Originally Posted by sl1200mk2 View Post

The 55VT30 is my first plasma too...
I just checked today and I've got 75 hrs on the unit. According to the service menu...

Hi
will you be so kind to explain how to enter service menu to check hours of working
Thanks in advance
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post #1557 of 6373
8/21/11 at 4:55am
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Originally Posted by paja View Post

Hi
will you be so kind to explain how to enter service menu to check hours of working
Thanks in advance

I found the instructions on another forum (can't post the link). I'll PM it to you. It's probably here too somewhere.
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post #1558 of 6373
8/21/11 at 5:46am
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Well, that advise is just garbage. There is no reason for you to run it for 150 hours straight! It just faster, but you can TURN THE TV OFF, if you want to. Slides or just watching regular programs at low contrast and brightness for 150+, you can still turn your tv off durings those 150+ hours.

What do you consider low contrast and brightness?
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post #1559 of 6373
8/21/11 at 6:19am
I just watched in THX mode without making any changes to contrast or brightness, and have had absolutey no problems. IMO, this break-in is overdone and not necessary with today's plasmas. Just use common sense (avoid hours and hours at a time of gaming, static logos, and black bars on the sides for the 1st 100 hours, i.e., just vary your viewing).
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8/21/11 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by Techlord View Post

Take the VT as it scored the highest in HTM of all three (ST, GT & VT) models, better blacks and more picture control management! If money is an issue go for the ST as it's a great value for the money!

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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Thanks Techlord.
I am wanting to move my Kuro out of my living room and was hoping to put either the VT30 or the 60vt30 in the living room. Would like something bigger than my 50inch that I have there now.

Could someone post accurate black level readings for the 55vt30 and the 60gt30. This would help in my desicion. My understanding is the VT has a better PQ than the GT but if the black levels are real close I might be tempted to go with the larger 60gt display.

any info on this?
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