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post #1591 of 6382
8/21/11 at 4:27pm
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http://www.hometheater.com/content/p...3d-plasma-hdtv

I'm sorry but I hate when reviewers and calibrators quote average gamma as it is in most cases misleading. Gamma on a display should be linear.... meaning it should read the same on the low end as it does on on the upper end. If you want to see what the gamma actually looks like from 10% - 90% stimuli, please visit HDJ and review the cal chart that I posted for the ST. Perhaps you will see how one can say the average gamma is 2.17 and why average gamma is misleading.
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post #1592 of 6382
8/21/11 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

You only get a flat 2.2 gamma with non standard windowed patterns.

Gotcha, thanks for the explanation.

All I know is, my ST30 didn't looked as washed out as my S2 did in low brightness in custom.
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post #1593 of 6382
8/21/11 at 5:14pm
So when it comes to 65", the ST and GT have measured deeper blacks than the 65" VT30? That is weird. I wonder why Panasonic would do that.

The 55" measure around .004 for the Vt30, .005 for the Gt30, and .007-.008 for the st30, correct? It is strange how when it comes to 65" the st and gt measure way lower, and even beat the vt30 in black level.
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post #1594 of 6382
8/21/11 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by 3reach View Post

So when it comes to 65", the ST and GT have measured deeper blacks than the 65" VT30? That is weird. I wonder why Panasonic would do that.

The 55" measure around .004 for the Vt30, .005 for the Gt30, and .007-.008 for the st30, correct? It is strange how when it comes to 65" the st and gt measure way lower, and even beat the vt30 in black level.

I think that the 60" and above panels all measure about the same regardless of model. All larger panels should be slightly darker than a 55" VT30.
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post #1595 of 6382
8/21/11 at 6:53pm
Yeah, I guess there is a deal to be had here with a larger, non VT panel and an external video processor like the dvdo iscan duo.
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post #1596 of 6382
8/21/11 at 8:15pm
I'm getting a flickering on my 65vt30. It's almost like a crt monitor with a bad resolution selected. I'm using directv hr24-200 though denon 3311ci via HDMI.

Could this be related to the Fbr?
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post #1597 of 6382
8/21/11 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by Riddy View Post

I'm getting a flickering on my 65vt30. It's almost like a crt monitor with a bad resolution selected. I'm using directv hr24-200 though denon 3311ci via HDMI.

Could this be related to the Fbr?

Sounds like more it might be an HDMI issue. Have you tried switching out the HDMI cable?
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post #1598 of 6382
8/21/11 at 9:47pm
I couldn't figure out how to search just this thread for this topic, so sorry if this has already been asked and answered. Panasonic's web site doesn't show a wall mount for the 65" plasma (although it does for up to 63", which is probably close enough). I also checked the plasma FAQ, which had a nice discussion of wall mounting, but it was mainly about hiding wires. Anyone have some recommendations for a good wall mount for flush mounting to studs behind dry wall? Much appreciated...
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post #1599 of 6382
8/22/11 at 2:44am
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Originally Posted by hodges69 View Post

That may be true....But Panny also recommends being careful in their manual..
For the money paid for this great set,I wanted the peace of mind in taking every precaution....If,I did not,and something nasty happened,I would have had a hard time forgiving myself.....and probably never gotten full forgiveness from my wife... to whom I assured,the price would justify the performance...One week of being careful was a small price to pay,in my case for that assurance....Just saying



Careful, yes, but that does not mean that the break-in procedure has not run 24/7, you can turn your tv off!
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post #1600 of 6382
8/22/11 at 4:39am
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Originally Posted by dschiller View Post

I couldn't figure out how to search just this thread for this topic, so sorry if this has already been asked and answered. Panasonic's web site doesn't show a wall mount for the 65" plasma (although it does for up to 63", which is probably close enough). I also checked the plasma FAQ, which had a nice discussion of wall mounting, but it was mainly about hiding wires. Anyone have some recommendations for a good wall mount for flush mounting to studs behind dry wall? Much appreciated...

I used the Sanus LL11 with the longest spacers in the kit. You don't want to mount the TV completely flush, for two reasons. First, the speakers bump out at the bottom, so you can't mount it completely flush. Second, the ventilation fans are on the back, and you need to allow for air circulation. Using the longest spacers gave me a perfect look and ventilation.
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post #1601 of 6382
8/22/11 at 4:41am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

PM me as my email server is currently... shall we say sick?

I thought you were calibrating Elite 60X5's the weekend of 8/20. I was looking forward to your comments.
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post #1602 of 6382
8/22/11 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by contrast11 View Post

Thanks for the replies. Yes, I admit it is 100% my fault. I was angry when I realized what I did, but was hoping that having a full image of equal duration between wouldn't create such a problem. I just watched a Netflix HD show, and it really didn't stand out much. It's really solid colors (especially green, and white/gray) - menus, etc. Red and blue - no issues. I did notice when briefly re-running the built in scrubbing program, a more noticeable reduction. Anyway, thanks for giving me some reassurance. I will try some tuner snow.

Edit: Is it possible on this set to have constant "snow?" If detected, it immediately goes to a solid background.

Same with my Pannys. To get around this, i wonder if you could connect an old VCR via Composite Video (but don't connect an antenna to the VCR) and maybe that would send a no-signal snowy pattern to the TV and be undetectable since it's external.

And the built-in scrolling bar doesn't really help anything, it's more of a Placebo that seems to be there only because Samsung has one.

I have seen several posts here from Samsung owners over the years that using the snowy pattern segment on the PixelProtector DVD had successfully removed persistent IR from their screens where nothing else worked. There are also several reviews for this DVD on Amazon that say the same thing. Check into this - it sounds like it can solve your problem.
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post #1603 of 6382
8/22/11 at 6:56am
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

I thought you were calibrating Elite 60X5's the weekend of 8/20. I was looking forward to your comments.

Delayed
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post #1604 of 6382
8/22/11 at 6:59am
VT30 is looking good now after the A-Board swap...now the only thing left is that color saturation firmware, which might take another few weeks to deploy...maybe by Christmas the VT30 will be the almost-Kuro killer it should have been from the beginning
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post #1605 of 6382
8/22/11 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

VT30 is looking good now after the A-Board swap...now the only thing left is that color saturation firmware, which might take another few weeks to deploy...maybe by Christmas the VT30 will be the almost-Kuro killer it should have been from the beginning

Its definitely an 8G Kuro killer, idk about 9G though
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post #1606 of 6382
8/22/11 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post


...now the only thing left is that color saturation firmware, which might take another few weeks to deploy...maybe by Christmas the VT30 will be the almost-Kuro killer it should have been from the beginning

As a prospective buyer, this "maybe" gives me concern.

I never heard details about what was off on the color saturation.

Can you elaborate?
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post #1607 of 6382
8/22/11 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

As a prospective buyer, this "maybe" gives me concern.

I never heard details about what was off on the color saturation.

Can you elaborate?

they're currently testing a fix/firmware for this which I think applies to pro calibrations...something to do with panel brightness/color...someone else would probably know the details better then me...all I know is that a fix is in the works in the next few weeks...not as big of a deal as the FBr (which was very noticable to me) but it's good to see Panasonic continuing to fix/tweak the 2011 models to deliver an even better picture

I do notice the VT30 is pretty dim so maybe this new fix will up the brightness levels while maintaining an accurate image
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post #1608 of 6382
8/22/11 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

they're currently testing a fix/firmware for this which I think applies to pro calibrations...something to do with panel brightness/color...someone else would probably know the details better then me...all I know is that a fix is in the works in the next few weeks...not as big of a deal as the FBr (which was very noticable to me) but it's good to see Panasonic continuing to fix/tweak the 2011 models to deliver an even better picture

I do notice the VT30 is pretty dim so maybe this new fix will up the brightness levels while maintaining an accurate image

Funny you mention that VT30 is dim since I noticed that too after I got my 65VT30 calibrated. Those Kuros will spoil you, I tell ya

Has anyone else here noticed the dimness too and figured out a way to get around it? I played with Panel Brightness but it just kills the colors when set to mid to high.

Also, I have noticed that the Green saturation seems to be high even though the calibration report says colors are perfect. Anyone else notice that and figured out how to get rid of it?

Thanks in advance.
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post #1609 of 6382
8/22/11 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by oknish View Post

Funny you mention that VT30 is dim since I noticed that too after I got my 65VT30 calibrated. Those Kuros will spoil you, I tell ya

Has anyone else here noticed the dimness too and figured out a way to get around it? I played with Panel Brightness but it just kills the colors when set to mid to high.

Also, I have noticed that the Green saturation seems to be high even though the calibration report says colors are perfect. Anyone else notice that and figured out how to get rid of it?

Thanks in advance.

the guy that calibrated my set also mentioned how dim it was in relation to Samsung's 2011 offerings and even last year's VT25...you're right in that playing with Brightness levels kills the colors...the fL output is limited on the VT30...but the 3D mode's brightness can be adjusted correctly and much higher then the 2D
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post #1610 of 6382
8/22/11 at 9:02pm
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

but the 3D mode's brightness can be adjusted correctly and much higher then the 2D

AMEN. I switch to 3D and lo and behold the panel looks like it should. Problem is I am not a big 3D person.

I think this has to do with making these panels Energy Star compliant so there is less power being delivered which in turn makes the panel dim.

Did you figure out a way to brighten up the 2D modes?
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post #1611 of 6382
8/22/11 at 10:05pm
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Originally Posted by NashvilleMark View Post

I used the Sanus LL11 with the longest spacers in the kit. You don't want to mount the TV completely flush, for two reasons. First, the speakers bump out at the bottom, so you can't mount it completely flush. Second, the ventilation fans are on the back, and you need to allow for air circulation. Using the longest spacers gave me a perfect look and ventilation.

Thanks for the recommendation and the advice on leaving enough room for ventilation. I didn't see the LL11 on Sanus's web site, but when I entered the TV model, one of the choices is the LL22...perhaps about the same thing? So the low profile mount still gives sufficient ventilation? Is there any advantage to a tilting mount, or is a tilting mount (e.g., Sanus LT25) actually a bad idea (perhaps unstable)?
http://www.sanus.com/ap/en/products/...ile-mount/LL22
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post #1612 of 6382
8/22/11 at 10:42pm
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VT30 is looking good now after the A-Board swap...now the only thing left is that color saturation firmware, which might take another few weeks to deploy...maybe by Christmas the VT30 will be the almost-Kuro killer it should have been from the beginning

Either way the VT30 is a great set for the cash......
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post #1613 of 6382
8/23/11 at 2:44am
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Originally Posted by oknish View Post


Funny you mention that VT30 is dim since I noticed that too after I got my 65VT30 calibrated. Those Kuros will spoil you, I tell ya

Has anyone else here noticed the dimness too and figured out a way to get around it? I played with Panel Brightness but it just kills the colors when set to mid to high.

Also, I have noticed that the Green saturation seems to be high even though the calibration report says colors are perfect. Anyone else notice that and figured out how to get rid of it?

Thanks in advance.

Yes the color saturation and panel brightness is a known issue, I have been tracking this on HDJ VT30 calibration thread, work is being done to potentially correct this.

I am getting 39 fL with high panel brightness and decent color saturation. There have been several folks that have complained about pro cals in ISF night mode being too dim for their viewing preferences. Part of the reason for this is because of the color saturation issue and the compromises that some are making to get an accurate measured result, the other is the calibrators technique with this display. Panasonic has not made it easy to learn how to calibrate this set, but it can and has been done well.

With the fluctuating brightness and hopeful future color saturation update for panel brightness settings, this could be a better set.
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post #1614 of 6382
8/23/11 at 2:55am
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Originally Posted by Gotchaa View Post

Yes the color saturation and panel brightness is a known issue, I have been tracking this on HDJ VT30 calibration thread, work is being done to potentially correct this.

I am getting 39 fL with high panel brightness and decent color saturation. There have been several folks that have complained about pro cals in ISF night mode being too dim for their viewing preferences. Part of the reason for this is because of the color saturation issue and the compromises that some are making to get an accurate measured result, the other is the calibrators technique with this display. Panasonic has not made it easy to learn how to calibrate this set, but it can and has been done well.

With the fluctuating brightness and hopeful future color saturation update for panel brightness settings, this could be a better set.

so the dimness can be attributed to the color saturation issue and can be fixed with the upcoming firmware to make the panels brighter without compromising other areas?
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post #1615 of 6382
8/23/11 at 6:32am
I've read most of the tread, but it doesn't seem clear, is there definitive data on the MLL stability on these sets yet?
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post #1616 of 6382
8/23/11 at 6:36am
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Originally Posted by dschiller View Post
Thanks for the recommendation and the advice on leaving enough room for ventilation. I didn't see the LL11 on Sanus's web site, but when I entered the TV model, one of the choices is the LL22...perhaps about the same thing? So the low profile mount still gives sufficient ventilation? Is there any advantage to a tilting mount, or is a tilting mount (e.g., Sanus LT25) actually a bad idea (perhaps unstable)?
http://www.sanus.com/ap/en/products/...ile-mount/LL22
You must not have looked very hard:

http://www.sanus.com/us/en/products/...ile-mount/LL11

The low profile gives adequeate ventilation IF you do what I said and use the longest spacers that come with the kit. The advantage to a tilting mount is that it tilts, if you need it to tilt. I didn't. A tilting mount isn't unstable, if you get a good one that is designed to work with your TV.
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post #1617 of 6382
8/23/11 at 6:55am
Does the TX-P55VT30 support either RS232 or ethernet control from a Crestron control system?

TX beeing the european version. I know the US TC-P55VT30 has RS232 control.

DrE
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post #1618 of 6382
8/23/11 at 8:27am
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Originally Posted by Gotchaa View Post
Yes the color saturation and panel brightness is a known issue, I have been tracking this on HDJ VT30 calibration thread, work is being done to potentially correct this.

I am getting 39 fL with high panel brightness and decent color saturation. There have been several folks that have complained about pro cals in ISF night mode being too dim for their viewing preferences. Part of the reason for this is because of the color saturation issue and the compromises that some are making to get an accurate measured result, the other is the calibrators technique with this display. Panasonic has not made it easy to learn how to calibrate this set, but it can and has been done well.

With the fluctuating brightness and hopeful future color saturation update for panel brightness settings, this could be a better set.
Gotchaa and D-Nice:

For those of us who've had their sets professionally calibrated (by D-Nice in my case), do you guys recommend recalibration after the color saturation update is released?
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post #1619 of 6382
8/23/11 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by myared View Post
Gotchaa and D-Nice:

For those of us who've had their sets professionally calibrated (by D-Nice in my case), do you guys recommend recalibration after the color saturation update is released?
Yes if you apply that firmware.
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post #1620 of 6382
8/23/11 at 9:14am
Great to know.

I will wait to get mine calibrated after this firware come out.

The Pany service person is coming any time now.

Will I be able to install this firware or does he have to come out again?

Thank you,

Mr.Panda
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