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post #1651 of 6382
I have a 65" VT30. I noticed when watching 300 on Bluray that bright portions of certain scenes "flicker". When I put in another Bluray the initial FBI warning logo also seems to flicker. Quite by accident I discovered that changing the setting from 48hz to 96hz stopped the flickering.

Any ideas what is going on? I don't see why switching to 96hz seems to minimize the issue.

Maybe I am seeing the FB issue? Can someone describe for me what the FB is and what it looks like on the TV?

Thanks!

-Brian
post #1652 of 6382
So I'm confused, I haven't really had any problems with my vt55, though I don't think the picture quality is that great (I use cnets THX settings). I have updated all the firmware, do I need someone from panasonic to come and update something too?

Mo
post #1653 of 6382
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Originally Posted by Bghead8che View Post

I have a 65" VT30. I noticed when watching 300 on Bluray that bright portions of certain scenes "flicker". When I put in another Bluray the initial FBI warning logo also seems to flicker. Quite by accident I discovered that changing the setting from 48hz to 96hz stopped the flickering.

Any ideas what is going on? I don't see why switching to 96hz seems to minimize the issue.

Maybe I am seeing the FB issue? Can someone describe for me what the FB is and what it looks like on the TV?

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Originally Posted by mohanman View Post

So I'm confused, I haven't really had any problems with my vt55, though I don't think the picture quality is that great (I use cnets THX settings). I have updated all the firmware, do I need someone from panasonic to come and update something too?

Fluctuating brightness (or FBr) is a sudden increase or decrease in the brightness of certain parts of the picture, experienced when viewing certain scenes. It appears to be most noticeable on BD discs, but can be seen at other times too with other sources. On some sets, it appears to be quite noticeable. On others, it seems to be almost impossible to see. To see some examples of FBr, search in Google for "fluctuating brightness social network."

The fix is done by a tech visiting your house with an SD card or new A board to install in the set. The fix cannot be done by the user. If you don't see it, or if it doesn't bother you, however, you don't need to worry about it.

There is further information on the previous pages of this thread, and on the threads for the ST30 and GT30. If you read the last few pages of each thread, there is a fair amount of information.
post #1654 of 6382
Am I supposed to be watching movies which are in 1080p with 96hz or 60 hz or 48 hz? I have a 55vt30, all these stupid settings, why don't they just make one so i don't need to keep messing with this crap.

Mo
post #1655 of 6382
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Originally Posted by dandaroy View Post

I am seriously thinking of getting the Panny 55vt30. I would like to know the following:

1. Does the motion smoother cause any artifacts.
2. How do you rate the motion in blu-ray and also watching 1080i HDTV? DO you see artifacts. I was not happy with motion in VT25.
3. Is the 96 Hz usable or is the false contouring distracting.

Thanks!

Anyone????
post #1656 of 6382
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Originally Posted by mohanman View Post

Am I supposed to be watching movies which are in 1080p with 96hz or 60 hz or 48 hz? I have a 55vt30, all these stupid settings, why don't they just make one so i don't need to keep messing with this crap.

Mo

You should use 60 Hz for this one. 48 Hz has too much flicker and some folks have reported false contouring artifacts with 96 Hz.
post #1657 of 6382
How come no one posts their settings here so we can try it and see if we like it? For example I use:

THX
Contrast 86
brightness 54
etc. etc... all from cnet again.

Mo
post #1658 of 6382
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Originally Posted by mohanman View Post

How come no one posts their settings here so we can try it and see if we like it? For example I use:

THX
Contrast 86
brightness 54
etc. etc... all from cnet again.

Probably a lot of people use D-Nice's settings after doing the recommended panel prep. That's what I use. (You can search on Google for the "2011 Panasonic Settings/Issues Thread"). Also, there are a lot of settings posted on one of the calibration or settings threads in this forum, as I recall.
post #1659 of 6382
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Originally Posted by smitty View Post

Probably a lot of people use D-Nice's settings after doing the recommended panel prep. That's what I use. (You can search on Google for the "2011 Panasonic Settings/Issues Thread"). Also, there are a lot of settings posted on one of the calibration or settings threads in this forum, as I recall.

He has not posted the VT30 settings yet. Only the entry level models.

-Brian
post #1660 of 6382
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Originally Posted by Bghead8che View Post

He has not posted the VT30 settings yet. Only the entry level models.

That's right. I forgot that people are anxiously awaiting those. Hopefully they'll be coming shortly.

P.S. I object to the GT30 being referred to as an"entry level model."
post #1661 of 6382
anyone know the technical details of what the A-Board replacement/SD card update changed internally which eliminated the brightness fluctuations?...I'm curious what they did and if it will have any effects down the road in terms of black levels etc...did Pany fix the rising/floating blacks in 2011 only to unwittingly create another monster in FBr?...and now that it is fixed will the rising/floating blacks return?
post #1662 of 6382
I read somewhere that the 50" VT30 is actually assembled in Thailand, not in Japan. Cause for concern?
post #1663 of 6382
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

anyone know the technical details of what the A-Board replacement/SD card update changed internally which eliminated the brightness fluctuations?...I'm curious what they did and if it will have any effects down the road in terms of black levels etc...did Pany fix the rising/floating blacks in 2011 only to unwittingly create another monster in FBr?...and now that it is fixed will the rising/floating blacks return?

I was thinking about the effect of the patch on rising black levels too, but I doubt they'll return because of this patch. Panasonic put out a presser about the issue, and I can't see them rise again with CNET testing them long term and the company's public/official stance on the matter.
post #1664 of 6382
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Originally Posted by mustangs1 View Post

I was thinking about the effect of the patch on rising black levels too, but I doubt they'll return because of this patch. Panasonic put out a presser about the issue, and I can't see them rise again with CNET testing them long term and the company's public/official stance on the matter.

but they put out the press release before the FBr fix was implemented...hopefully nothing unforseen will happen down the road because of this 'fix'
post #1665 of 6382
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

but they put out the press release before the FBr fix was implemented...hopefully nothing unforseen will happen down the road because of this 'fix'

Again I still don't think they would have rising black levels. I thinks thats done permanently., The press release is still the panasonic status quo.
post #1666 of 6382
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Originally Posted by Mohamed1983 View Post

I read somewhere that the 50" VT30 is actually assembled in Thailand, not in Japan. Cause for concern?

That is a regional thing.

North American units are assembled in Mexico, European units are assembed in the Czech Republic. Units for Asia/Australia/New Zealand (and I think perhaps South Africa) are assembled in Thailand if they are lower-end models or under a certain size. The others are assembled in Japan.

Whether it makes any difference, I don't know.
post #1667 of 6382
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Originally Posted by mohanman View Post

So I'm confused, I haven't really had any problems with my vt55, though I don't think the picture quality is that great (I use cnets THX settings). I have updated all the firmware, do I need someone from panasonic to come and update something too?

Mo

Get it professionally calibrated.
post #1668 of 6382
Just wondering, for those who own the 65", what is the preferred distance from the ground to the bottom of the panel?
Either wall mounted or on a console?

Is the 65" made in Japan?

Finally can I ask if the floating blacks issues is a thing of the past?
post #1669 of 6382
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post
Is the 65" made in Japan?
Down under, yes. Its printed on the sticker on the back.
post #1670 of 6382
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Originally Posted by Gotchaa View Post

Yes the color saturation and panel brightness is a known issue, I have been tracking this on HDJ VT30 calibration thread, work is being done to potentially correct this.

I am getting 39 fL with high panel brightness and decent color saturation. There have been several folks that have complained about pro cals in ISF night mode being too dim for their viewing preferences. Part of the reason for this is because of the color saturation issue and the compromises that some are making to get an accurate measured result, the other is the calibrators technique with this display. Panasonic has not made it easy to learn how to calibrate this set, but it can and has been done well.

With the fluctuating brightness and hopeful future color saturation update for panel brightness settings, this could be a better set.

Thanks, Gotchaa. Not sure if you can share your settings. I think my panel output is at or slightly below 30 fL. PQ is great but at times you have to strain to catch some details.
post #1671 of 6382
So the best i can do is take some settings off the net (or maybe you guys could help me ) so after saying that, Sony HX929 vs the VT30 vs the samsung D8000 (led)
So NOT regarding the calibration settings,(Chad B) which one is best?
post #1672 of 6382
I am getting down to the wire so to speak on purchasing my next panel. It is now solidly between the 64D8000 and the 65VT30 as I ma sure it has been for many.

Question - Has anyone purchased a VT30 very recently and has received an August build with the FBr fixed already implemented? If so, where did you get it? PM me if you'd like please.

Right now just weighing (at current prices I've found) whether the VT30 is worth the additional $650. Any thoughts or opinions welcomed. You VT30 owners, if had to start over, would you buy the VT30 again over the D8000?
post #1673 of 6382
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Originally Posted by hillcrest6 View Post

You VT30 owners, if had to start over, would you buy the VT30 again over the D8000?

I bought the VT30 in May and if I had to do it over again I would still choose it over the D8000...but I'm not so sure if I woud choose it over the Sony 55HX929 (LCD) or the new Sharp Elite

the D8000/7000 is actually a great value for the price and if you could get it for $650 less that wouldn't be a bad move
post #1674 of 6382
Quote:
Originally Posted by hillcrest6 View Post

I am getting down to the wire so to speak on purchasing my next panel. It is now solidly between the 64D8000 and the 65VT30 as I ma sure it has been for many.

Question - Has anyone purchased a VT30 very recently and has received an August build with the FBr fixed already implemented? If so, where did you get it? PM me if you'd like please.

Right now just weighing (at current prices I've found) whether the VT30 is worth the additional $650. Any thoughts or opinions welcomed. You VT30 owners, if had to start over, would you buy the VT30 again over the D8000?


I am the owner of the VT30-65" that I chose to replace my dead Pioneer elite
8g 60"...to some,I might be speaking like a heretic here....but,IMO,the VT30 can go toe to toe with the Elite..and hold it's own...It really surprised me with it's performance.....but,again,I stress an 8g vs. today's techno;ogg..
post #1675 of 6382
Last weekend I bought a Mitsubishi LaserVue (L75-A91) after coming across a fantastic deal on it... Unfortunately I spent too little time viewing it in-store and it wasn't until I got it home that I realized how terrible ANYTHING non-HD looked.

Needless to say, I spent the last week researching what to exchange it for and ended up with a 65" VT30 (and couldn't be happier!). The only real competition was the Sammy D8000, but after some good head-to-head viewing at the store, the choice was easy.

I'm now VERY anxiously awaiting D-Nice's settings for the VTs to be posted!
post #1676 of 6382
Thanks for the responses! I already have a 50ST30 for the bedroom and will be replacing a Sammy 55B8500 for my main television after making the switch to plasma land.

The Sharp Elites are out of price range, but agreed on great outlook for them, and I am not willing to wait until after Christmas for those prices to drop, I've waited all summer!!

It seems the FBr if noticed is fixable and it also has been rumored that color saturation and gamma fixes are inbound for the VT30. The peeling issue is fixable but the FBr on the D8000 is still out there and nothing seems to be happening with Samsung to fix it. Correct?

Picture quality is almost a wash, a slight advantage to the VT30. But the brightness, or I should say, lack thereof on the VT30 for daytime viewing gives me pause.

At his point I'd rather go to war with a tank than a flimsy Jeep if you get my drift. What are the weights of these panels? ;-)

D-Nice if you are out there, any heads up on posting VT30 settings? To be honest one small reason I hesitate at the moment as I value your expertise.
post #1677 of 6382
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Originally Posted by dandaroy View Post

You should use 60 Hz for this one. 48 Hz has too much flicker and some folks have reported false contouring artifacts with 96 Hz.

Is this being reported by only a few people? ...or is it a fairly significant issue?
post #1678 of 6382
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Originally Posted by cpc View Post

Is this being reported by only a few people? ...or is it a fairly significant issue?

Funny...The only option for my new Panny VT3065 is 60...the other options are grayed out....are we talking user or calibrator options??
post #1679 of 6382
Quote:
Originally Posted by hillcrest6 View Post

I am getting down to the wire so to speak on purchasing my next panel. It is now solidly between the 64D8000 and the 65VT30 as I ma sure it has been for many.

Question - Has anyone purchased a VT30 very recently and has received an August build with the FBr fixed already implemented? If so, where did you get it? PM me if you'd like please.

Right now just weighing (at current prices I've found) whether the VT30 is worth the additional $650. Any thoughts or opinions welcomed. You VT30 owners, if had to start over, would you buy the VT30 again over the D8000?

I got mine direct from panny last week and it was a July built set. The only issue I have with the set is a slight green tint (using THX settings) to skintones which I'm told will go away as time goes on. I could be crazy but I think it's already 90% gone. I have no floating black levels at all.
post #1680 of 6382
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Originally Posted by hodges69 View Post

Funny...The only option for my new Panny VT3065 is 60...the other options are grayed out....are we talking user or calibrator options??

I think you have to activate the 24p mode and also feed your VT30 and 24p signal.
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