Official Panasonic 2011 TC-PxxVT30 Series Thread Discussion Thread [No Price Talk] - Page 82

Robert/Dub

Thanks for the input. Good suggestions.

HEY guys can someone tell me if the vt30 does 96htz in 3d mode it will not work for me i no the vt25 did it in 3d mode thanms guys

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I don't think this is necessarily true for all plasmas. My Pioneer 5020 had a reddish tint to whites until I had it calibrated. Maybe the greenish tint is just inherent with Panasonic plasmas...

Slight green tint to whites? Boy, I know I would have noticed this by now. Sure don't remember seeing whites on my VT30 with even the sligthest green tint and I've seen snow and other outdoor scenes. To me, this sure would seem to be a significant problem many folks would complain about.

I'm telling myself now not to look for this tonight.

Robert

Not sure but believe it is well documented that 96Hz doesn't look near as good as the 60Hz setting. Maybe this is on blu-ray movies, can't remember. Sure you can search on this thread for it. I thought 96Hz was not smooth for motion or something.

Robert

100 % agree.

My 6020 Had that Redish hue that I could not escape until after calibration

I just want to comment on this.. I had a VT25 and when i used 96Hz while playing Avatar it had flicker. When i switched to 60Hz it did not.. I replayed the same Avatar blu-ray disc, using the same player (panasonic 350). With my new VT30 set on 96Hz it was super smooth with absolutely no flicker. 96Hz on the VT30 has been improved over last years VT25.

Okay, I haven't tried 96Hz yet so can't comment. I have seen comments like this by some saying they don't like 96Hz due to flicker where others like yourself say the opposite. I wonder if this is just a personal thing that some notice and others don't?

Here's the link : http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...z#post21023309

Just now wondered if this post was from someone having the VT25 since they just mentioned not liking 96Hz on their VT but didn't specify m/n whether 25 or 30.


Edited: Cut and paste with someone commenting via another forum on VT30 and 96 Hz setting if it helps:

Panasonic VT30 series 96Hz processing for 24p Blu-ray
As promised on another thread I took a good hard look at the Panasonic's 96Hz processing on 24p Blu-ray. Specifically in Chapter 7 of "I am Legend" with the Helicopter fly over of the Aircraft Carrier it is clear that while the 96Hz processing smooths the pan and you don't see the fast/slow jerky motion of 2:3 pull-down it also introduces significant flicker. The planes on the deck of the ship toward the end of the fly over are shaking like leaves on a tree in a stiff breeze. Therefore, my recommendation would be to set your Blu-ray player to put out 60Hz and the VT the same. Hope this helps! Kevin Miller
ISF Co-instructor
TweakTV Co-Founder
Email: kevinm@tweaktv.com
HDTV Product Development Consultant



Robert

Thanks

Hi,

I'm trying to set my 65VT30 to work with iRule on my iPhone, so I can control it over IP.
I've found network codes in the iRule database, but I do not know how to declare its gateway in iRule.
I've got the TV IP address, but do I need to specify a port? Something else?

Thanks a lot!

Question: I bought a display model at BB, so it has already been used for 4-5 months and probably broken in.
Should I still use D-Nice's calibration or does that only work after using his break in procedure only?

If not, any other calibration settings I could use? Picture is great but can't help think it couldn't be better in some situations.

thanks in advance

To get as close as possible to D-Nice's results, you have to follow his instructions exactly. With a used display, that's not possible.

There is nothing keeping you from using his settings and see if you like them better than what you have now. In your situation there is no reason to use his break-in procedure.

Your all set... Enjoy the TV.. You do not need to break it in!! It already has 100's of hours on it.. Just set the picture to whatever looks best to you and enjoy it.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7...hdtv-shootout/

Above is a link to a shootout Value Electronics did between the Sharp Elite, Samsung 8000, Panasonic VT30 and others. They picked the Sharp Elite as the overall winner with the Panasonic VT30 coming in second. I haven't had a chance to read it thoroughly yet but to me, it makes me feel even better that the Panasonic VT30 to me really is the best choice. The VT30 scored highest in the motion sharpness category which to me is pretty important along with coming in second to the Sharp Elite for black level. For everyone dinging the VT30 for color accuracy which the 8000 came in 1st, I thought it was really concerning how low the Sharp Elite scored in this category.

And really the big reason to feel so good about the VT30 regarding this shootout is the high price of the Sharp Elite. No more are the days when a plasma can't compete with an Elite product. This brings a very big smile to my face as a past Elite owner which the VT30 replaced.

Hope this link is beneficial.

Here is a cut and paste from the link between the VT30 and 8000 that came in 2nd and 3rd places respectively:

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Meanwhile the Panasonic TC-P65VT30 and Samsung PN59D8000--which each cost significantly less than the Elite--took second and third place, respectively, in an extremely close vote. Zohn said that the audience agreed that the Panasonic VT30 had a better overall picture, by virtue of its visibly superior black level;.......
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Looking at the different categories to me makes it very hard to justify the Sharp Elite over the VT30.

Robert

and i as well as a former owner of the Sharp (cough,cough) "elite".

Interesting, so you're saying that you no longer have your Sharp Elite? Why? Which display do you own now?

Robert

The reason.the Elite scored.so badly with color is that it made blue teal. This teal issue however is currently being worked on by Sharp Elite. Once and if.the.teal issue is fixed everyone at the shootout agreed it would be heads and tails above.the rest.

The only thing bad about.the panny is its green push (especially in THX mode) and color decoding issues. Unfortunately it looks like the decoding issue wont be fixed. The.color luminescence fix helps, but doesn't vet it.quite there. The color can be helped by a pro.calibration from those.that know how to work around the issue, however it will still be.slightly off.

Man. Sorry to say but to my untrained eye my vt is spot on. I just don't see any color decode errors at all.

Okay, don't really think it is fair to start saying IF certain fixes were in place then the Sharp Elite would be so much more ahead. Anyone could say this about the VT30 or any of the other displays for that matter. I guess if thinking that a future potential fix may help the Sharp Elite score way ahead of the VT30 that I guess if it helps folks feel better about spending so much on the Sharp Elite and this is from someone (me that is) that spent a lot at one point on an Elite. Right now the VT30 is the easy choice without waiting for some fix that might change the score. People adding comments on the link complained about the Sony 929 not being properly set up.

I agree with the other post just now with the colors looking just fine to my eyes especially in THX mode. I see absolutely no green tint at all. I did in my Elite before I calibrated it since the green tint was severe. Also I believe no one has confirmed that Panasonic is not going to address the color issue so not sure where you heard this. I've heard they are 99% of the way there working with calibration experts before pushing the final fix through legal.

Bottom line is that all displays have issues even the Sharp Elite with the color category scoring so low. One should use the link and scoring to buy what is best for them fitting the priorities that are most important. To me I went for the VT30 since the colors were close enough even though not near as good as the Samsung, I liked the PQ, THX setting, black level performance, Panasonic reliability and support being better than Samsung, documented issues with the 8000 still not resolved and actually like the design better even though it seems the 8000 keeps getting mentioned for the best design. My wife that isn't vocal did not care at all for the looks of the 8000.

Robert

Robert if you watched the.shootout then you know Elite was.already working on the fix. It was the overall consensus that once the fix was done that the Elite would be tops. It is also the.consensus from more than a few people that there would be no color decoding fix. This was discussed a.few weeks ago when the shootout actually happened.

As far as seeing color issues, you may never "see" them just as some people never see FBr/rainbow effect/extra extra it does not mean its not there.

While I understand your enthusiasm as an owner of this set there are drawback to it as.well. in the end if your happy with your purchase then that's all that matters. Every set had its flaws you just have to decide what you're willing to live with

Your last paragraph sentence just repeated what I said. I provided the link to help those newbies posting especially some sending me PM's on the VT30. Fine, I'll concede half way , sure the Sharp Elite is the best. I've seen it several time in the Magnolia but preferred the VT30 best even with the known flaws all to quickly pointed out here . Still I find $5k hard to justify and sounds like someone that posted above saying they were a previous Sharp Elite owner feels the same way (even though I was wondering his reason) but hey, its just money .

You do know that the 2 calibrators that were part of the voting elite voted for the 8000 and VT30 over the Sharp Elite right? They both actually rated the 8000 a nose ahead of the VT30 due to the small color issue you noted. I thought it was funny how you pointed out the panel voted the Sharp Elite best but folks should know here on the VT30 thread that the two calibrators that calibrated the displays voted differently. I'm with them on this but believe the Panasonic to me pulls ahead on reliability and support even though maybe not as good as it should be is still quite a bit ahead of Samsung.

For the green tint, my eyes are sensitive and I would see it if there. I can see something about flicker or FBr that isn't always an issue might be hard to see but I'm still not quite understanding the color deal on the VT30 since it looks pretty darn good to my eyes. THX mode is spectacular and this is the VT30 thread so my enthusiasm kind of fits.

Robert

Amen to that.

Robert this will be my last post on this as its mucking up the thread. I.watched the.shootout live and I am.quite aware of the results. Both DNice and the other calibrator said that if the Elite fixed the Teal issue they would chose that set as the best. Those two calibrators also said that color reproduction was more important to them which is.why they chose the D8k over the Elite and VT30. Everyone is allowed their own opinion of what mattes to them and for this set you are not able to see the flaws which is a good thing. It doesn't mean they are not there however.

Thank you for sharing this link. From a technical standpoint I find this stuff very interesting. I think they're all great TVs and each of them must be near the top of the list or they wouldn't have been included in this test.

Thank you for saying you appreciated my link. I was scratching my head just now thinking I was helping others but guess it seemed to annoy one person. I clearly stated they all have flaws but thought the shootout would be good for those like yourself not knowing it was available. It helps knowing it did help and not necessarily mucking things up.

Robert

I'm wondering why you are taking my post the wrong way. As you said, everyone is allowed their opinion. I thought this thread was for this. Seems someone just replied liking my link. I was clear stating they all have flaws. Whatever reason why I seemed to push the wrong button with you. Seems it may be related to another recent discussion that I won't bring up.

Enjoy your weekend. I will with my VT.

Robert

AAAAND 2nd place goes to...THE PANASONIC VT30!

Wait. That didn't sound right.

2nd place!?

That doesn't sound like something to be overly proud of.

Not usually anyway but in this circumstance, the VT30 came in 2nd ONLY to a TV more than twice its price (if you bought your VT30 from the right place that is).

And while I certainly am glad the VT30 placed 2nd ONLY to a $5,500 uh, "Elite" (because I own a VT30), I'm sure any of these TVs would do very well and satisfy (generally speaking) if you were given any one of them for free (if only!).

For my hard earned $$$ however, I felt the VT30 was just a little better overall than the Samsung (3rd place by an insignificant margin) in picture quality but that's just me. They're both excellent TVs and each have their respective strengths and weaknesses.

I think for the most part its a tie between the two and the only thing that really separates them is the subjective opinion of the buyer or potential buyer. What looks better to his/her eye and which is a better value for his/her dollar.

Some professional reviewers prefer the VT30, others the D8000. Either way, the "SHARP" Elite CAN'T POSSIBLY BE $3,500 better than either of them.

Cheers to the VT30 for its success and ability to hang with the very top of the class.

Whichever set you've got, ENJOY IT.

+10.......well said and couldn't agree more!


Robert

So here are my planned connections for Sunday when I finish up my panel prep...can someone verify that this will work?

My equipment:
Panasonic 65VT30
Onkyo 707 (HDMI 1.3a) receiver
Panasonic BDT-310 Blu-ray player
Comcast 3400 HD DVR
Xbox 360
PS3

I plan to connect them this way:

DVR -> HDMI 1 on display (for 3D), Optical 1 on receiver
Blu-ray -> HDMI 2 on display (via main output) and also -> receiver HDMI 1 (via second HDMI output)
360 -> receiver HDMI 2
PS3 -> receiver HDMI 3
*The above two then connected to HDMI 3 on display*

I know my receiver can't utilize the ARC of HDMI, as it's not 1.4, and I intend to use the BDP-310 for all the VieraCast stuff (primarily Pandora and Netflix). Any problems with this?

Thanks!