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post #2911 of 6373
11/14/11 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by robertrobert View Post

Hello,

I have the 55" VT30 that I'm using with a Marantz AV8003 with splendid results. I'm not up to date on the model of your Marantz but if it is like the AV8003, I would not recommend using the Marantz to upconvert the signal. You should be able to find out on AVS how your Marantz model performs, there might even be a separate Marantz 7005 thread or you could look at the past reviews on Amazon or search on the internet to find out more.

Anyway I set my AV8003 in the mode that just passes the signal straight through to the VT30 with no upconversion. I forget the name but basically it just passes the signal without any upconversion. I have my Panasonic blu-ray player and Toshiba XA2 HD DVD players do the upconversion. For my Dish, I actually have the HDMI going straight to the VT30 since my wife just wants to listen to the TV speakers at low volume during the day without messing with my system. I use a toslink digital cable out of my dish HD receiver to the AV8003 to get dolby digital when watch Dish HD movies.

I hope this helps. The AV8003 has awesome reviews on the sound quality of the process which is why I bought it. I knew I would be using it for any video upconversion but that okay since the preamp is incredible for 2 channel stereo, true audiophile quality for sure. I'm sure your 7005 is the same.

For the volume, look at the bottom right back corner as you're facing the display to find the volume button. Hold the - volume button down until it reads 0 if you are using it via a procedure to check EEPROM level or hours viewed on display. I think this is what you were asking.
Robert

Thank you, Robert. That helped a lot. I did some comparisons with my daughter helping out and I figured out the Blu-Ray player did in fact look better doing the de-interlacing (at 1080p) and running at 24fps then to just send out 1080i to the Marantz and let it upconvert. What I'm still comparing is the Panny 110 Blu-Ray Player to my PS3 (original large one). So far, I'm not convinced the Panny looks any better but I'm still going to do an A/B comparison. I appreciate your input.
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post #2912 of 6373
11/14/11 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

Hi, Cliff:

IMHO, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the way you have your system set up. Whether or not to use the Marantz or the Panasonic to do the video processing is a personal choice.

Many people like running all source material into the receiver and having only one HDMI cable going from the receiver to the television. The advantages are simplicity, and speed. (In some systems, if you rely on the television to do the video processing there may be a delay when you are channel surfing with cable HD sources. If you are using satellite, there is an associated delay anyway as you change channels so you may not notice a difference).

Your 7005 actually has a pretty highly regarded Anchor Bay 10-bit Video Processor/Scaler (ABT2015), so you really aren't giving up anything if you decided to run everything through it at let it upconvert signals as necessary.

Panasonic designs it's own video processing programming, and it's also very good.

The bottom line is: there are many other factors that would affect your picture more than the type of video processing you are chosing between in your particular scenario. I wouldn't bother changing anything if you like the way your picture looks.

If really want to see if there is difference that can be seen, I would just spend some time with some familiar high quality source material and just do a personal comparison yourself between the two ways of connecting. You may find you won't see much difference at all.

(I've done this with my reference system: testing a number of permutations. With real world material, I really can't discern a difference in terms of the picture. YMMV, of course.).

FWIW, if you really want to see what you are missing, I would respectfully suggest a professional calibration (after you get a couple hundred hours or so on the set) which will make a far greater difference in what you are seeing.

Thank you very much for your feedback. Exactly what I was looking for. As I said above, I'll do some more A/B testing with the help of my daughter's good eyes And glad to know the video processor in the AV7005 is a good one (I bought it solely for the audio originally).
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post #2913 of 6373
11/14/11 at 9:43am
Is it just me or does the color temp in that picture look too blue?
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post #2914 of 6373
11/14/11 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by Cliff Olson View Post

Thank you very much for your feedback. Exactly what I was looking for. As I said above, I'll do some more A/B testing with the help of my daughter's good eyes And glad to know the video processor in the AV7005 is a good one (I bought it solely for the audio originally).

Edited: Sorry I replied to the other post instead of mine. :0 Anyway sure you know the point below.

No problem, glad to help. It sounds like the video through the AV7005 is better than the 8003. That's good to know. Marantz probably got the point after a couple reviewers noted the 8003 did such a poor job why just not keep it out of the processor altogether. Anyhow it didn't bother me since I was planning on only using the 8003 for audio which is spectacular as you know with the 7005.

Sounds like the comparison isn't as easy when comparing the Panasonic blu-ray player with your PS3. I've heard the PS3 does a pretty good job. I know with my Panasonic BD80 that I have settings in the menu for noise and other things. I can tell that the clearest, most detailed picture is provided with it simply set to NORMAL rather than USER that uses the other settings. Just last night, I thought Captain America early on looked ever so slightly soft with me wanting that little bit of sharpness. Sure enough, I had my player set to USER with the noise reduction set to 1. I put it back to NORMAL and the slight picture sharpness came back where I expected. Easy I guess to forget. Nice to have the USER settings on blu-ray titles that have a little noise that needs cleaning but then makes it easy to forget to turn off when a really good movie is used since the NR can and does slightly soften the picture. Mentioning this so you are sure to have both players set to NORMAL with no NR or other setting used so you are truly comparing apples to apples.

Good you're getting another set of eyes when comparing.

Good luck!

Robert
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post #2915 of 6373
11/14/11 at 10:49am
Just looked up the 65VT30 on Amazon and it says "Item under review". They are not selling it directly b/c of either a problem with their inventory, shipping method, or the items description. Not sure what thats all about?
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post #2916 of 6373
11/14/11 at 10:55am
Team,

I received my VT30 last week and have been reading up on break in, settings, FBR, etc... For some reason i can't find the post detailing D-Nice's settings. Can someone point me in the right direction. Also, the build date on my set is August, should I be concerned about the FBR issue?

thanks for response in advance
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post #2917 of 6373
11/14/11 at 11:07am
FYI Folks who have been following the firmware update concerns post VE shootout. As I mentioned on HDJ, it was pulled to be improved, a new version is available and we are beginning testing on new code today.

Following models are covered:
TC-P50GT30 TC-P55GT30 TC-P60GT30 TC-P65GT30
TC-P55GT31 TC-P55VT30 TC-P65VT30
TC-P55VT30X TC-P65VT30X

Should have an update by the end of the week on progress.
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post #2918 of 6373
11/14/11 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by txhifi View Post

Team,

I received my VT30 last week and have been reading up on break in, settings, FBR, etc... For some reason i can't find the post detailing D-Nice's settings. Can someone point me in the right direction. Also, the build date on my set is August, should I be concerned about the FBR issue?

thanks for response in advance

Panasonic 2011 TC-PxxVT30 Mini FAQ

D-Nice Break-in procedure See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1371710 You will find the break-in settings and a link to the break-in slides in the first post of that thread. The settings to use after the break-in are also posted in that thread.

The direct link to download Evangelo's break-in images is: http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloa...nload_main.htm

If you are using an Apple computer to put the slide images on the SD Card, be sure to read this: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post21376943
  • No, this procedure cannot take the place of a professional calibration. (They approximate one)
  • No, you really cannot expect similiar results unless you follow the procedure/settings exactly.
  • No, using the break-in procedure after you have already put time on the television will not necessarily give similar results (see above).
  • Yes, you need to adjust the photo slide-show settings before starting the break-in.
  • Yes, it's for 100 hours, not 150 (although grey scale shifts have been noted after 130 hours).
  • Yes, many have had no problems at all running the slides for 100 hours straight (plus, this may be a good way of uncovering any problems with your set).
  • Yes, you can use a properly formatted USB Card or an SD Card to run the break-in slides. Be sure to test the images first and watch one cycle through to make sure there are no problems before leaving your set.
  • No, you haven't wrecked your TV if you didn't follow a break-in procedure. Just enjoy the set!

What are some reasons for using a break-in procedure? See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post21233825

Where are the D-Nice Settings for use after the break-in procedure? See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1371710 and look up the proper settings by your serial number.
EEPROM version: The best way to see if you have the FBr fix is to check the EEPROM version. See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post21144428
  • Manufacture dates after August 2011 are thought to have had the FBr fix applied already, but manufacture date is not 100% reliable because several have reported having the fix on televisions made prior to August, 2011. It's best to check the EEPROM version to be certain.
  • Yes, it appears that both BB and Amazon are currently shipping units that contain the latest EEPROM versions (65VT30: 84.46; 55VT30: 64.47)
  • A more comprehensive list of the EEPROM numbers for the various Panasonic models can be found here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post20799695

Fluctuating Brightness (FBr) Patch Information: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=3775
Firmware Update The latest official firmware update for the VT30 and the procedure for doing the update is here: http://panasonic.jp/support/global/c.../down_na1.html

Where is the optional firmware update that provides corrected color luminence for professional calibrators? See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post21303259

Hours of Operation: To find out how many hours you have on the set see: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post21143429
  • Be sure to follow step 1 of the procedure very carefully (i.e. the volume - button to use is on the TV NOT the remote).

How do I initiate a system self-check (may be useful for resetting the television)? See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post21412660

How does the VT30 look under bright lights? See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post21210138

What Color Space setting should I use in my BD player with the VT30? See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post21152757

You can use the wireless adapter without the base. Just plug it in directly.

Various recommended mounts for the VT30 mentioned in this thread include the Sanus LL22 and LL11, Bell'O 7640B, and Omnimount
  • Several have recommended replacing stock lag bolts with better quality lag bolts to perhaps prevent shearing off bolts in the wall.
  • No heat issues have been reported with low profile mounts.
  • The VT30 takes M8 screws.

What do the color decoding issues look like? See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post21256785

Is a professional calibration worth it? For my humble opinion see: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post21271549

Where can I find the owners manual? See: http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPER.../TCP55VT30.PDF

Should I be worried about all the "flaws" reported on AVSForums for the VT30? For my humble opinion see: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post21342124

Did I forget anything?
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post #2919 of 6373
11/14/11 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by Gotchaa View Post

FYI Folks who have been following the firmware update concerns post VE shootout. As I mentioned on HDJ, it was pulled to be improved, a new version is available and we are beginning testing on new code today.

Following models are covered:
TC-P50GT30 TC-P55GT30 TC-P60GT30 TC-P65GT30
TC-P55GT31 TC-P55VT30 TC-P65VT30
TC-P55VT30X TC-P65VT30X

Should have an update by the end of the week on progress.

Wow! Just wow!
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post #2920 of 6373
11/14/11 at 11:26am
many thanks mvp2005fan!
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post #2921 of 6373
11/14/11 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by Gotchaa View Post

FYI Folks who have been following the firmware update concerns post VE shootout. As I mentioned on HDJ, it was pulled to be improved, a new version is available and we are beginning testing on new code today.

Following models are covered:
TC-P50GT30 TC-P55GT30 TC-P60GT30 TC-P65GT30
TC-P55GT31 TC-P55VT30 TC-P65VT30
TC-P55VT30X TC-P65VT30X

Should have an update by the end of the week on progress.

Excellent, thank you! Many of us are waiting on this update to get our TVs calibrated.
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post #2922 of 6373
11/14/11 at 11:42am
This morning Amazon stopped selling the VT30 and put it under review.

"Item Under Review

While this item is available from other marketplace sellers on this page, it is not currently offered by Amazon.com because customers have told us there may be something wrong with our inventory of the item, the way we are shipping it, or the way it's described here. (Thanks for the tip!)

We're working to fix the problem as quickly as possible."


Anyone know the reason? Some speculation it may be to screen uniformity issues (green/pink blobs, etc).
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post #2923 of 6373
11/14/11 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by robertrobert View Post


Sounds like the comparison isn't as easy when comparing the Panasonic blu-ray player with your PS3. I've heard the PS3 does a pretty good job. I know with my Panasonic BD80 that I have settings in the menu for noise and other things. I can tell that the clearest, most detailed picture is provided with it simply set to NORMAL rather than USER that uses the other settings. Just last night, I thought Captain America early on looked ever so slightly soft with me wanting that little bit of sharpness. Sure enough, I had my player set to USER with the noise reduction set to 1. I put it back to NORMAL and the slight picture sharpness came back where I expected. Easy I guess to forget. Nice to have the USER settings on blu-ray titles that have a little noise that needs cleaning but then makes it easy to forget to turn off when a really good movie is used since the NR can and does slightly soften the picture. Mentioning this so you are sure to have both players set to NORMAL with no NR or other setting used so you are truly comparing apples to apples.

Good you're getting another set of eyes when comparing.

Good luck!

Robert

Thanks again Robert. I'll check those settings out tonight to be sure all things are equal Ice Age 2 looked amazing on the Panny 110 (even better than it had on the PS3 with the Marantz doing the up-conversion). But the first 'real life' Blu-Ray I watched last night on the Panny Player was Fast Five. I'm not sure if the transfer sucks, or if the Panny 110 is washing out a lot of black detail. I'll keep an eye on that and compare material I know well.
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post #2924 of 6373
11/14/11 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by obsidian View Post

This morning Amazon stopped selling the VT30 and put it under review.

Anyone know the reason? Some speculation it may be to screen uniformity issues (green/pink blobs, etc).

Great! Thanks for the heads up. Does the build date/region have anything to do with these green/pink blobs? I thought it was a Euro thing. (Sorry if this has been answered already.)

Should I hold delivery, then? lol
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post #2925 of 6373
11/14/11 at 2:14pm
I'm not sure. I was hoping others may have more insight on what the issue is. I was just a couple days away from ordering it...
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post #2926 of 6373
11/14/11 at 2:18pm
My VT is looking outstanding without any issues. It's a August build
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post #2927 of 6373
11/14/11 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by Gotchaa View Post

FYI Folks who have been following the firmware update concerns post VE shootout. As I mentioned on HDJ, it was pulled to be improved, a new version is available and we are beginning testing on new code today.

Following models are covered:
TC-P50GT30 TC-P55GT30 TC-P60GT30 TC-P65GT30
TC-P55GT31 TC-P55VT30 TC-P65VT30
TC-P55VT30X TC-P65VT30X

Should have an update by the end of the week on progress.

Great News... Looking forward to your test results. Thanks!
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post #2928 of 6373
11/14/11 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by obsidian View Post

This morning Amazon stopped selling the VT30 and put it under review.

"Item Under Review

While this item is available from other marketplace sellers on this page, it is not currently offered by Amazon.com because customers have told us there may be something wrong with our inventory of the item, the way we are shipping it, or the way it's described here. (Thanks for the tip!)

We're working to fix the problem as quickly as possible."

Anyone know the reason? Some speculation it may be to screen uniformity issues (green/pink blobs, etc).

They always do this if they receive a certain number of complaints/returns. Its normal SOP for Amazon.
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post #2929 of 6373
11/14/11 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by Sound & Vision View Post

Great News... Looking forward to your test results. Thanks!



I second this.


Thanks Gotchaa, this is great news and many of us appreciate the update. I hope the code testing exceeds expectations!

Keep us posted.

Robert
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post #2930 of 6373
11/14/11 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by Gotchaa View Post

FYI Folks who have been following the firmware update concerns post VE shootout. As I mentioned on HDJ, it was pulled to be improved, a new version is available and we are beginning testing on new code today.

Following models are covered:
TC-P50GT30 TC-P55GT30 TC-P60GT30 TC-P65GT30
TC-P55GT31 TC-P55VT30 TC-P65VT30
TC-P55VT30X TC-P65VT30X

Should have an update by the end of the week on progress.

Thanks...glad to see that Panny did not lie ...good to know a company has your back...NOW..the question that is on everyone's mind....APPROX WHEN???
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post #2931 of 6373
11/14/11 at 4:34pm
Gotchaa,

Does this "fix" include color decoding, or just luminance?
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post #2932 of 6373
11/14/11 at 7:34pm
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Gotchaa,

Does this "fix" include color decoding, or just luminance?

If the fix is not up to par after testing, this is the time to send it back to Panasonic for another tweak.. We all waited this long, a little longer "if needed" will benefit all of us. I just hope it ends up being fine..
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post #2933 of 6373
11/14/11 at 9:55pm
Does any have a photo of the bottom of the 65VT30 stand? I'm trying to determine if it will fit on my stand depending on where the feet on the stand are positioned. Or can anyone let me know if they are inset at least .5" combined?

Also, I bought my TV from Abes of Maine, what build dates have people been getting from there? Kinda regretting buying it from there in hindsight, but hopefully I'll get a good set.

Thanks!
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post #2934 of 6373
11/14/11 at 10:39pm
I have a couple questions on 3d set up on this tv.I got the free Avatar 3D movie and I am playing from my Oppo 93 and glasses that came are fully charged.I just do not see much 3D effect.Went and hit 3D button and shows 2D to 3D or just 2D.So made sure it was set to 2D to 3D?Manual says it should show 3D,not 2D to 3D setting???
When I hit play on the Oppo I made sure it was set to 3D so I should see some blur without glasses on to indicate 3D and it does sometimes and others not so much.Anyways got it working somewhat but not much depth effect.So I go into menu during movie and select 3D settings and it's on Auto 1 and I set to Maximum depth or effect but all other adjustments for 3D are greyed out.The manual does not say how to get these operational?I am on THX mode so maybe I have to switch to cinema or custom to hAve access?.anybody played with 3D much can help me out?
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post #2935 of 6373
11/15/11 at 7:12am
ta kid,

How is the player hooked up to your TV? with what kind of cable?
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post #2936 of 6373
11/15/11 at 7:29am
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Gotchaa,

Does this "fix" include color decoding, or just luminance?

Apparently, none of those. According to the Panasonic Download Info Service it is just to "Update Viera Connect service".

Still waiting...............
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post #2937 of 6373
11/15/11 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by terzaghi View Post

ta kid,

How is the player hooked up to your TV? with what kind of cable?

It is hooked up using the supplied HDMI cable that came with the OPPO to the HDMI 2 on the VT.Should I use HDMI 1 marked avr?
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post #2938 of 6373
11/15/11 at 11:03am
The port on the TV shoudln't matter.
IF the player and HMDI cable both support 3D I don't see why it isn't working. I don't own the vt30 yet (or the oppo) so maybe someone else can chime in?
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post #2939 of 6373
11/15/11 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

Apparently, none of those. According to the Panasonic Download Info Service it is just to "Update Viera Connect service".

Still waiting...............

Hi, Dave:

I think the firmware that Gotchaa is referring to testing is newer than the one listed on the download page. Hopefully that new firmware will pan out.
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post #2940 of 6373
11/15/11 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by ta-kid View Post

I have a couple questions on 3d set up on this tv.I got the free Avatar 3D movie and I am playing from my Oppo 93 and glasses that came are fully charged.I just do not see much 3D effect.Went and hit 3D button and shows 2D to 3D or just 2D.So made sure it was set to 2D to 3D?Manual says it should show 3D,not 2D to 3D setting???
When I hit play on the Oppo I made sure it was set to 3D so I should see some blur without glasses on to indicate 3D and it does sometimes and others not so much.Anyways got it working somewhat but not much depth effect.So I go into menu during movie and select 3D settings and it's on Auto 1 and I set to Maximum depth or effect but all other adjustments for 3D are greyed out.The manual does not say how to get these operational?I am on THX mode so maybe I have to switch to cinema or custom to hAve access?.anybody played with 3D much can help me out?

Did the VT30 give you the 3D safety screen when you first started up the Oppo? It will always do this when it detects a 3D signal unless you defeat it (must be a lawyer thing )

Assuming you didn't turn warning screen off in the systems menu, if you don't see it, that might suggest it isn't detecting a 3D signal. You might try a cable certified to pass 3D and see if that resolves your problem. (The cable that came with my Oppo wasn't all that great.)

Also, is the Oppo hooked directly to the VT30 or is there a receiver in between?
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