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post #301 of 6436
Question: For all VT30 owners who have their sets already.

On my VT30 55'', the beautiful one sheet of glass sits very nicely tucked in the BOTTOM left and right side of the silver bezel. But, On the TOP left and right side corners it sticks out very very slightly. I can push it in very softly and it will tuck right under the silver bezel....maybe it is supposed to be this way? I was wondering if you guys can inspect your panels and see if this is normal when time permitsl? It is hard to notice, but if you run your fingers along it or stand in the middle right next to it and look at a sharp angle, you can slightly tell. Does not really bother me, but just wanted to know. Let me know fellas when you have time. Thanks!

As we all know, nothing is perfect. Being the enthusiasts we are though, we tend to find minor flaws that the normal person would not.

I received my 55'' yesterday. During serious inspection when running slides I noticed not 1 dead pixel or odd anomalies on screen. Just very nice solid colors. Panel buzz was minimal just in white and lighter shades of grey. I was impressed.
post #302 of 6436
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

Sounds like you are running an ATi graphics card. Its the graphic drivers fault, not the TV. Find the overscan option in control center and zero it.

Thanks! that helps a lot!

however, no matter what scaling options I try on the tv I still miss 2 to 3 pixels all around. basically I kind of have about 1916x1076 in a 1920x1080 screen. TV is set like this:
Screen Format: Full
HD Size: Size 2

Any other tip you can give me ? There must be a away to achieve 1x1 pixel mapping on a VT30. I don't care if the solution is to change video card.

Thanks again!
post #303 of 6436
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

As of right now, I'd go with the D8000. If Panasonic fixes the calibration issues, then there's no doubt the VT30 would be my choice.

Calibration issues I am concerned about:
  • the ABL action, because with such weird variances between window sizes, how can even a seasoned pro hope to get consistently accurate results from a multipoint grayscale/gamma adjustment?
  • the color linearity
  • the missing or non functioning calibration adjustments
So, who do I talk to to get that complimentary D8000?


Chad,

If you had to decide between these 2 plasmas and you throw in Sharp's 70" LED LCD LC-70LE732U into the mix which one of these 3 TVs would you want to have as your main display?
post #304 of 6436
Thread Starter 
^^^ Its a LED and has the LED glitches... I was looking for a bigger demo unit for the business, last night we found a smoking deal on a Panasonic TH-85PF12UK !! Should be here next friday !!
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Originally Posted by GregF View Post

Argh, so now I have to debate my objectivity in choosing a p65vt30 over a d8000, plus if firmware isn't calibration-ready I'll either have to wait or have it properly calibrated a second time? I'm just about to buy 4 of these believe it or not.

There both great sets.
post #305 of 6436
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

^^^ Its a LED and has the LED glitches... I was looking for a bigger demo unit for the business, last night we found a smoking deal on a Panasonic TH-85PF12UK !! Should be here next friday !!


The Panny 85" TV is over $20,000. The Sharp 70" is less than $3000. I want to by a TV not a car. There is a point of diminishing returns.
post #306 of 6436
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Taking your advise, I just did a Google on "Best Buy display calibration". The results are very interesting. There also seems to be a lot of discussion about BB faking their in-store set up that shows the benefits of having them do a calibration. It's great to have faith in your vendors.

Yup. Seen this at one of my local BBs. Two Samsungs stacked up one on top of the other--with signs announcing one uncalibrated and the other calibrated. Clearly the uncalibrated set could have been better set up by just manipulating the controls an average user has at his disposal.
post #307 of 6436
I saw one report where they put an SD signal into the "uncalibrated" set.
post #308 of 6436
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Originally Posted by Franchot View Post


Yup. Seen this at one of my local BBs. Two Samsungs stacked up one on top of the other--with signs announcing one uncalibrated and the other calibrated. Clearly the uncalibrated set could have been better set up by just manipulating the controls an average user has at his disposal.

I've seen this as well. They had 2 XBR9's, the "bad" one was set to the coolest color temp, overly bright, and with exessive motion enhancments. This could easily be adjusted out with 3 basic user settings.
post #309 of 6436
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Originally Posted by davemelo View Post

Question: For all VT30 owners who have their sets already.

On my VT30 55'', the beautiful one sheet of glass sits very nicely tucked in the BOTTOM left and right side of the silver bezel. But, On the TOP left and right side corners it sticks out very very slightly. I can push it in very softly and it will tuck right under the silver bezel....maybe it is supposed to be this way? I was wondering if you guys can inspect your panels and see if this is normal when time permitsl? It is hard to notice, but if you run your fingers along it or stand in the middle right next to it and look at a sharp angle, you can slightly tell. Does not really bother me, but just wanted to know. Let me know fellas when you have time. Thanks!

I just checked my 65VT30 and the top and bottom corners are all tucked in under the silver bezel. It's even all the way around on mine. Hope this helps, although it's probably not what you wanted to hear.
post #310 of 6436
What would you guys say is the minimum distance to watch from on a Panasonic TC-P55VT30?
post #311 of 6436
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Originally Posted by guvadc View Post

I've seen this as well. They had 2 XBR9's, the "bad" one was set to the coolest color temp, overly bright, and with excessive motion enhancements. This could easily be adjusted out with 3 basic user settings.

Most TVs out of the box are set that way. While I'm not sure how good the calibrated set was calibrated, I can assure you after going to many customers homes, standard or vivid is overwhelmingly chosen over a Cinema or custom mode. Also most TVs default to "standard" out the box when you set it to home use like Panasonic and Samsung. Standard almost always uses cool color temp, motion enhancements on or max, and typically is the brightest mode besides Vivid or Dynamic. So while I agree BB's calibration may not be of the highest quality, the "uncalibrated TV" picture is definitely comparative to the common household.
post #312 of 6436
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Originally Posted by bs259 View Post

What would you guys say is the minimum distance to watch from on a Panasonic TC-P55VT30?

I'd say about 7 Ft. A good rule of thumb for optimum viewing distance is 1.5 x the screen diagonal.
post #313 of 6436
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Originally Posted by Franchot View Post

Yup. Seen this at one of my local BBs. Two Samsungs stacked up one on top of the other--with signs announcing one uncalibrated and the other calibrated. Clearly the uncalibrated set could have been better set up by just manipulating the controls an average user has at his disposal.

9 out of 10 people do not touch their tvs out of the box and have no idea where to begin. Most just make things worse. A professional calibration cannot be equalled by the general consumer.
post #314 of 6436
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Originally Posted by Ishniknork View Post

I'd say about 7 Ft. A good rule of thumb for optimum viewing distance is 1.5 x the screen diagonal.

I usually watch from about 6 Ft. so I guess I could move back a foot or two, good news, thanks
post #315 of 6436
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Originally Posted by trinifox View Post

Not entirely accurate. You need to put as many hours as you can watching full screen content without static images on it before your calibrator comes. Break in slides is where they recommend the 100 hours ootb. And these are only if you are NOT having your display pro calibrated.

Credit-D-N.

The 100 hours standard is only if D-Nice has posted settings for your display and you plan to use them. There is nothing wrong with doing or not doing the 100 hours if you are either hiring a calibrator or not hiring a calibrator.
post #316 of 6436
I'm planning on buying the P65VT30 and I am having a custom cabinet built to house it. I'm struggling to find any drawings or pictures of it that shows what the heck these dimensions from the Panasonic website mean:

Dimensions (H x W x D) without Stand 37.7" x 61.9" x Speaker depth: 2.4"; Panel depth: 1.6"

Do the speakers bulge out in the back? Where do they bulge out, bottom, top or sides?

If I have the TV mounted on a bracket how far out will it stick? Bracket depth + 1.6" or Bracket depth + 2.4"??

Thanks in advance.
post #317 of 6436
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Originally Posted by trinifox View Post

This too is inaccurate, there is nothing in the firmware that folks are waiting on that would prevent a proper calibration. You can complete a calibration in custom or thx etc.

We've just had Chad B and D-Nice discuss the difficulty calibrating different VT models. There may have been something wrong with the sample Chad B worked on. They both have good reputations as calibrators here at AVS.

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The firmware is to complete the feature set within the isf day and night modes.

Do you have inside information from Panasonic?

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If no one is going to mess with the settings, you could do a perfect calibration.

Chad B didn't think he got perfect results. I'm not sure what D-Nice thinks about the VT displays except that there were difficulties.

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If you need your settings locked into isf day or night, wait.

That seems like a good idea, and a lot like what Romo wrote.

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I could be wrong in both my posts though ........

So could all of us.
post #318 of 6436
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Originally Posted by bs259 View Post

I usually watch from about 6 Ft. so I guess I could move back a foot or two, good news, thanks

The thing is if you sit too close you'll be able to see the individual pixels. As long as you don't notice them sit as close as you want.

Check out this guys Seating Distance Chart and article, it'll explain better than I could...

http://hdguru.com/hdtv-seating-distance-chart/6/
post #319 of 6436
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dafish721 View Post

The Panny 85" TV is over $20,000. The Sharp 70" is less than $3000. I want to by a TV not a car. There is a point of diminishing returns.

I was just noting that you will be going into a new world with a LED. ---Break---

Then I was expressing my excitement. We have not had a new flat panel in 2 years ( Just a note, we found a steal and paid 60% of that price. )
post #320 of 6436
Hi guys, Im VERY new to this. I love my tech, but am not 'technical' when it comes to TV's. I had no idea about calibrating your TV, but after reading all these posts, I am keen to do so. Ive ordered a 65' vt30 and wanted to know how i can calibrate it myself without doing anything too technical. Is there any lists available that shows the optimal settings for this model Tv anywhere?
I am keen to hear from any of the 'Tech gurus' who frequent these forums.
Thanks guys.
post #321 of 6436
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

The 100 hours standard is only if D-Nice has posted settings for your display and you plan to use them. There is nothing wrong with doing or not doing the 100 hours if you are either hiring a calibrator or not hiring a calibrator.

Can one wait to do the 100 hours of slides or is there some reason it has to be done when you first get the TV.? At some point in time I will probably want to use D-Nice's settings, but as I understand it they are not even available yet for the VT-30's.
post #322 of 6436
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

9 out of 10 people do not touch their tvs out of the box and have no idea where to begin. Most just make things worse. A professional calibration cannot be equalled by the general consumer.

Given that do you agree that $199 Best Buy Calibration is well worth it if one does not have access to Chad or D-Nice?
post #323 of 6436
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Originally Posted by Ishniknork View Post

I'd say about 7 Ft. A good rule of thumb for optimum viewing distance is 1.5 x the screen diagonal.

I'd say 3 times the screen height (for fullscreen movies 1.78:1).
post #324 of 6436
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

If you check the link at the bottom of my post, you'll find links to a large number of AVS display owners who have had their displays professionally calibrated. None of those calibrations were done by BB's Geek Squad.

Since calibrators do tours you can post here to see if there is anyone who comes to your area:

ISF Calibrators, where are you located? Please post here!

You can also indicate in your profile your general location, and someone in this thread might be able to suggest a calibrator. Given your user name, maybe not.

Or, you can check out the calibration forum and pick up enough information to do better than BBGS.

Display Calibration

Thanks for your suggestions. By the way you are right about my location. I couldn't even get the sponsors on this forum to ship me a TV. I am happy to say that (as of today) apparently I have the first and only 65 inch VT 30 in my state and the BB in store computer shows 0 available elsewhere including the warehouse.
post #325 of 6436
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Originally Posted by NorthTV View Post

Thanks for your suggestions. By the way you are right about my location. I couldn't even get the sponsors on this forum to ship me a TV. I am happy to say that (as of today) apparently I have the first and only 65 inch VT 30 in my state and the BB in store computer shows 0 available elsewhere including the warehouse.

So how's the weather in Alaska?
post #326 of 6436
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Originally Posted by NorthTV View Post

Can one wait to do the 100 hours of slides or is there some reason it has to be done when you first get the TV.? At some point in time I will probably want to use D-Nice's settings, but as I understand it they are not even available yet for the VT-30's.

I don't think that D-Nice has posted settings for a VT30. His procedure is designed to age the screen during it's first 100 hours.

In your situation, being careful for the first few hundred hours is the best way to go. By careful I mean avoid any fixed images like network logos, sports score boards, or most games. Try to stick to HDTV that's actually doing HDTV, unlike ESPN that puts up fixed image side bars any time they switch from HDTV to SDTV. Also try to stilck to full screen movies as much as possible.

After you've done that, just mix up what you watch and don't leave your display on a channel with a ticker running all day long for days at a time -- not even if the world is coming to an end.
post #327 of 6436
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Originally Posted by Turrican4D View Post

I'd say 3 times the screen height (for fullscreen movies 1.78:1).

OK... that works too. But why didn't you reply to bs259 instead of me?

Just for grins and assuming these measurements on a 55" screen are correct,

Diagonal on 55" 16/9 screen: 55"x1.5=82.5"
Height on 55" 16/9 screen: 26.96"x3=80.88"

HDGuru's chart lists 86.27". We're both close enough I think
In case you missed it (I'm not implying he's absolutly correct):
http://hdguru.com/hdtv-seating-distance-chart/6/
post #328 of 6436
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Originally Posted by NorthTV View Post

Given that do you agree that $199 Best Buy Calibration is well worth it if one does not have access to Chad or D-Nice?

Ask the BB manager for calibration customers that will allow you to visit their displays. You'll have to judge that one for yourself. If the manager refuses take it to hart.
post #329 of 6436
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Originally Posted by Seventh One View Post

Hi guys, Im VERY new to this. I love my tech, but am not 'technical' when it comes to TV's. I had no idea about calibrating your TV, but after reading all these posts, I am keen to do so. Ive ordered a 65' vt30 and wanted to know how i can calibrate it myself without doing anything too technical. Is there any lists available that shows the optimal settings for this model Tv anywhere?
I am keen to hear from any of the 'Tech gurus' who frequent these forums.
Thanks guys.

The easiest way to do it yourself and still get great results is by using a calibration disc like Spears & Munsil Blu Ray Calibration Disc, you should check out the Display Calibration section here on AVS. Spears & Munsil has test patterns and all sorts of test images, first you want to get you contrast and brightness under control as these two controls can washout your colors.

Techlord
post #330 of 6436
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Originally Posted by SleepWalker2 View Post


Thanks! that helps a lot!

however, no matter what scaling options I try on the tv I still miss 2 to 3 pixels all around. basically I kind of have about 1916x1076 in a 1920x1080 screen. TV is set like this:
Screen Format: Full
HD Size: Size 2

Any other tip you can give me ? There must be a away to achieve 1x1 pixel mapping on a VT30. I don't care if the solution is to change video card.

Thanks again!

Your source may be cropping a few pixels.

What pattern are you using to check 1:1 mapping?
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