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post #3061 of 6435
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

I ended up returning my 65VT30. I liked the set a lot despite the color looking "off" as I had planned on getting the set ISF'd which I think would have taken care of 99% of the issue. However, that wasn't why I returned the set. The poor color uniformity (i.e., mostly pink and a few green blotches) on content along with terrible image retention were too much for me...especially given the price. This unit basically had burn-in waiting to happen. I was going to just swap it out for another and that's still tempting, but I am thinking I should just hold off until 2012 especially since Panasonic will be using a new driving scheme in their panels (according to their insider at another forum). xrox also mentioned that Panasonic has been active with the Kuro patents, so 2012 could be very interesting. If you can deal with or not see the fb on the Samsung, it's probably a better alternative given everything.

I thought about swapping too but I don't think it will make any difference (knowing my luck I would end up getting an old eprom version). The whole new driving scheme made up my mind (hopefully). With the competition the Elite brought to the field, Sammy having reference colors and beautiful design. Panasonic better revolutionize their whole line if they want to be back in the game. The blacks can be better (I guess I have not been exposed to Kuro blacks but I can only imagine) but they are pretty good IMO. Time will tell...I really regret not being into plasmas and home theater back when the Kuro was around.
post #3062 of 6435
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Originally Posted by spinn74 View Post

Is it best to have your DVR set to the lowest output and let the TV upscale?

I just let the DVR pass what ever the signal is and if the TV upscale's it then so be it. I have everything except 480i checked on my DVR and everything even the menu looks great.
post #3063 of 6435
On the fence about ordering the 65vt30. Have read some great reviews and inisight from this forum and others, however, there is also some negative feedback. Found a pretty good price from an online vendor. Debating if i should go ahead with the purchase or wait till the 2012 panasonic lineup debuts. What do u guys think? If i decide to purchase the vt30, what advice could u offer? Month of manufacture? And so on ....... Would appreciate some feedback. Thanks
post #3064 of 6435
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Originally Posted by neo samurai View Post

On the fence about ordering the 65vt30. Have read some great reviews and inisight from this forum and others, however, there is also some negative feedback. Found a pretty good price from an online vendor. Debating if i should go ahead with the purchase or wait till the 2012 panasonic lineup debuts. What do u guys think? If i decide to purchase the vt30, what advice could u offer? Month of manufacture? And so on ....... Would appreciate some feedback. Thanks

I havn't had any probs.w/ my 65. Picture looks Fantastic. Solid Display. Great performer. All the bells and whistles. ( not that it really matters )

Would recommend a calibration.

Blacks are deep. Colors are natural. ( w/ calibration )

I didn't even check the build date. Have experienced no FB either.
post #3065 of 6435
neo samurai, it really is a magnificent set. It does appear that some have had bad luck, but many will tell you that is the minority. The happy owners don't post here every day to talk about how happy they are. They are doing something better, like watching their awesome TV!

I would just advise anyone buying this set (or any high-end electronic in this cut-rate cost-cutting age) to have a strategy in case you have a set with production problems. How will you return it or replace it? As long as you're covered with a return policy and/or warranty, you should get this set.

One more caveat, you really need to get a set in this price range calibrated for it to really look awesome. "Recommended settings" just won't do it justice. You'll notice the difference, so I urge you to budget for it.
post #3066 of 6435
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Originally Posted by MrJai View Post

Well I made my mind. I am going back to Samsung (PN64D8000), while blacks are great on the Panny and FBR is fixed (I know some Samsung sets have FBR issues and peeling, I have yet to see those on my 59D8000). I cannot stand the color issues with this panel, greenish tint and not accurate skin tones. I know these can be fixed with a calibration but I don't feel like keeping a set that is basically defective considering the price of the set. I understand a fix is in the works but we don't really know whether or not it will fix these issues (or how much it will be fixed).

I figure with the killer deals on the 8000. I will save my money and be ready for 2012 models hopefully things will be improved. From what I gather blacks were improved this year (at least over last year) and if that trend continues then I am pretty certain color issues will be address as well so hypothetically speaking 2012 models might be better plus I wouldn't mind a 70 or 75 (maybe 80) inch Panny. So good luck to all current owners. See you next year Panny (I hope).


I take it you're unhappy with the THX mode? Have you tried D-Nice's settings listed that a lot of folks like? I did but decided to make a few tweaks that really seem to help in a huge way for my VT30 anyway. I know see how my Custom settings are no easily better than the THX mode. I've watched quite a few movies and really am pretty happy since I'm picky on the flesh tones as well. You can't enjoy a movie no matter how black the blacks are if faces don't look real.

I can and can't see your point on paying for the ISF calibration. I could see that if you were buying a decent set but not one that is top rated including the 8000. It seems the 8000 or the VT30, it really should be calibrated to get the most out of your display even if Panasonic doesn't provide a fix. Still I can see saving your money and waiting but that means waiting a full year if you want the same low prices to come back around since the price for new when first released on the 2012 models will be high I'm sure.

In any event, good luck!

Robert
post #3067 of 6435
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Originally Posted by GregF View Post

neo samurai, it really is a magnificent set. It does appear that some have had bad luck, but many will tell you that is the minority. The happy owners don't post here every day to talk about how happy they are. They are doing something better, like watching their awesome TV!

I would just advise anyone buying this set (or any high-end electronic in this cut-rate cost-cutting age) to have a strategy in case you have a set with production problems. How will you return it or replace it? As long as you're covered with a return policy and/or warranty, you should get this set.

One more caveat, you really need to get a set in this price range calibrated for it to really look awesome. "Recommended settings" just won't do it justice. You'll notice the difference, so I urge you to budget for it.

Totally agree...with one caveat...I am holding off calibration until the color firmware is issued...any word on that as yet?
post #3068 of 6435
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Originally Posted by robertrobert View Post

I take it you're unhappy with the THX mode? Have you tried D-Nice's settings listed that a lot of folks like? I did but decided to make a few tweaks that really seem to help in a huge way for my VT30 anyway. I know see how my Custom settings are no easily better than the THX mode. I've watched quite a few movies and really am pretty happy since I'm picky on the flesh tones as well. You can't enjoy a movie no matter how black the blacks are if faces don't look real.

I can and can't see your point on paying for the ISF calibration. I could see that if you were buying a decent set but not one that is top rated including the 8000. It seems the 8000 or the VT30, it really should be calibrated to get the most out of your display even if Panasonic doesn't provide a fix. Still I can see saving your money and waiting but that means waiting a full year if you want the same low prices to come back around since the price for new when first released on the 2012 models will be high I'm sure.

In any event, good luck!

Robert

Thanks Rob. I tried just about anything from D-Nice, Gotchaa, THX settings and I'm still not satisfied. I did have Chad B calibrate my 59D8000 and the results are spectacular. With a set like these I feel a calibration is a must. I decided to try the 64 size just be able to make a fair assessment versus the 65Vt30 since I feel you can't compare a 59 set to a 65 set.

Worst case scenario I will end up with a 64D7000 for significantly less than the D8000 and VT30 with accurate colors and some change ready for the next set. Yes I do realize it will not be until this time next year to be able to get a 2012 set for cheaper but hopefully by then most of the bugs have been identified or possibly fix if there are any.

MrJai
post #3069 of 6435
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Originally Posted by hodges69 View Post

Totally agree...with one caveat...I am holding off calibration until the color firmware is issued...any word on that as yet?



Same question I have of late and sure many others.

So here's a typical question some may be asking or wondering about. If we look at the worse case scenario with Panasonic NOT addressing the color issue then how much of a percentage can the colors be corrected post an ISF calibration? For example, will a top level ISF calibration take it 80% or 99% of the way. I've heard both numbers and wonder. Bottom line, will someone that is extremely critical of accurate colors be able to tell that the colors are not quite accurate still post an ISF calibration? Maybe longer term VT30 owners that have had an ISF calibration done can post on how they feel their PQ is for everyone. Is there anything at all regarding PQ wise that can't be corrected unless Panasonic comes through???

I thought this would be a great question for folks to know the answer including myself. We all have heard about the VT30's being so hard to calibrate even by an experienced ISF calibrator that I wonder what can't be corrected after the calibration is done. It almost seems there are tweaks that have to be done more by eye than a device can correctly measure so guess it might be up to how good the calibrator's eyes are? Just a question, I have no idea really.

Robert
post #3070 of 6435
Can someone repost D-Nice's settings? I can't seem to find them!
post #3071 of 6435
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Originally Posted by neo samurai View Post

On the fence about ordering the 65vt30. Have read some great reviews and inisight from this forum and others, however, there is also some negative feedback. Found a pretty good price from an online vendor. Debating if i should go ahead with the purchase or wait till the 2012 panasonic lineup debuts. What do u guys think? If i decide to purchase the vt30, what advice could u offer? Month of manufacture? And so on ....... Would appreciate some feedback. Thanks


Many on here have confirmed that BB they have near them will not price match but mine has many times. They even price matched a price on the VT30 offered by Abe's of Maine. I was even surprised by this since my BB has match Amazon many times but not someone else like Abe's from Maine. I felt good getting a great price while still being able to buy from BB for support if needed. Maybe you might have luck with the BB near you. If not, maybe check out a Fry's Electronics or another top chain to see if someone will match. I feel the leg work will pay off with buying from a local stores if needing to return the display for any reason.

Besides this, you need to get an August or later build to ensure you have the FBr fix in place. Shouldn't be an issue at this point but also a good reason to buy locally if possible and from one that is reputable.

I just found out an interesting fact about a local store near me. My wife was talking to an electrician that had a brother that use to work at the store. He said the store sells only refurbished units but says they are new. He even mentioned that companies like Panasonic and others will actually send the sales people thank you checks at the end of the year for moving on refurbished displays for them. Geez, I bought a 32" Panasonic LCD about 2-3 years ago. It isn't for critical watching but still don't like the fact that it may have been refurbished since it looked new with the box sealed. Still I guess it would if refurbished from Panasonic but not listed that way. Last time I'll even buy from that store again.

Good luck, I feel like others that the VT30 really is a special display. Many post here on with problems. Leave in your budget to get your display calibrated and you should be very happy as long as you get one without any problems. I and many others have so odds are higher that you will as well even though many posts make it seems like the VT30's have nothing but problems.

Good luck!

Robert
post #3072 of 6435
I appreciate all the intelligent feedback. I am definitely leaning towards the 65VT30. Anyone have personal experience with World Wide Stereo? That's the vendor i will most likely purchase from. My best buy will not price match this price nor come close to this price. As far as warranties go, I know it might not be a wise decision to forego the extended warrranty but im hoping the manufacturer one year warranty will serve justice if need be. Do the majority of you get the extended warranty? My main tv right now is a 50" sony sxrd. I did not purchase the warranty and this tv has had zero issues for me. I just don't want to be the guy who regrets not getting the warranty. I am just hoping that if there is a problem with the tv it will happen during the first year and not outside of its warranty. I guess it's a risk.
post #3073 of 6435
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Originally Posted by neo samurai View Post

I just don't want to be the guy who regrets not getting the warranty. I am just hoping that if there is a problem with the tv it will happen during the first year and not outside of its warranty. I guess it's a risk.


Sounds like you probably should extend the warranty if you don't want to be the guy who regrets it. I typically have bought warranties only a few times but did in this case for the VT30 I bought. I extended it an additional year just for peace of mind. I didn't see the need for paying a lot more for 4 years. I guess it is like insurance you pay for hoping you never need to use it but glad you have it when needed.

Sorry, I've never heard of the store you mentioned.
post #3074 of 6435
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Originally Posted by neo samurai View Post

I appreciate all the intelligent feedback. I am definitely leaning towards the 65VT30. Anyone have personal experience with World Wide Stereo? That's the vendor i will most likely purchase from. My best buy will not price match this price nor come close to this price. As far as warranties go, I know it might not be a wise decision to forego the extended warrranty but im hoping the manufacturer one year warranty will serve justice if need be. Do the majority of you get the extended warranty? My main tv right now is a 50" sony sxrd. I did not purchase the warranty and this tv has had zero issues for me. I just don't want to be the guy who regrets not getting the warranty. I am just hoping that if there is a problem with the tv it will happen during the first year and not outside of its warranty. I guess it's a risk.

if you are buying online i would not buy from world wide stereo, you cant return the set if something is wrong with it.
post #3075 of 6435
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Originally Posted by mark62 View Post

if you are buying online i would not buy from world wide stereo, you cant return the set if something is wrong with it.


Wow, I definitely wouldn't buy if you can't return. I was going to say don't use this company since their price isn't that good.


Neo,

Check out Abe's from Maine. I just checked out their price which is significantly lower than World Wide Stereo. They had the best price I could find any place on the internet when I was able to get BB to match and I believe they are very reputable along with doing a lot of internet business for electronics.

Good luck!

Robert
post #3076 of 6435
Right, i was leaning toward a brick and mortar but they can't touch online prices. World wide stereo with a promotional code is $900 cheaper than what it has listed on their website. Trying not to talk about the price but it is a great deal. Now, i spoke w a local retailer. Abes of maine, world wide stereo, and eastcoasttvs are not authorized panasonic dealers from what he told me. The sales rep at world wide stereo said they were an authorized dealer.(Lying?) What i'm getting at is: Nonauthorized dealers will not have the one year manufacturer warranty covered. Truth to that? I would really like to get the best price available but also with the best convenience. Basically i want my cake and i want to eat it. Brick and mortar is easily the most convenient but prices don't reflect the convenience.
post #3077 of 6435
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Originally Posted by mvision7m View Post

GPstar87,

Congrats on your new set, Hopefully it'll bring you many years of happy HD viewing.

I don't have any banding when the menu is up on either of the picture settings. I'm not running break in slides and I don't have my set on those 'pumped up' break in settings so as you said, it possible you're noticing these issues due to either the slides, the juiced up settings or both.

The one inch thick horizontal line doesn't sound right at all no matter how faint it may be. I've had my 55VT30 for about two months now and the screen is uniform all around. No green blobs as some have seen/experienced, no dead pixels, no horizontal or vertical lines that don't match the rest of the screen etc...

Theres a coating on the screen itself thats mentioned in the cleaning & maintenance section of the owner's manual. Check that it hasn't been ruined, smudged damaged etc...

Thanks for the reply. Still running the slides. After about 20 hours of run time so far, the dark horizontal line has faded away some. I believe it will be gone after the set ages a little longer. However, the banding is terrible. I'm actually surprised its so visible. It is visible on no matter what picture setting the TV is set to. I know I shouldn't judge based on the break in slides but I just didn't expect banding like this. I expect this is mostly due to the fact that the whole background I am viewing is one single color. The real test will be when I finally get to watch some Blu-ray movies and see if it is visible there.
I loved Inception so that's what I plan on watching first. After that comes Avatar, The Dark Knight, Return of the King... Boy I'm glad this is a long weekend!

Jason
post #3078 of 6435
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Originally Posted by neo samurai View Post

Right, i was leaning toward a brick and mortar but they can't touch online prices. World wide stereo with a promotional code is $900 cheaper than what it has listed on their website. Trying not to talk about the price but it is a great deal. Now, i spoke w a local retailer. Abes of maine, world wide stereo, and eastcoasttvs are not authorized panasonic dealers from what he told me. The sales rep at world wide stereo said they were an authorized dealer.(Lying?) What i'm getting at is: Nonauthorized dealers will not have the one year manufacturer warranty covered. Truth to that? I would really like to get the best price available but also with the best convenience. Basically i want my cake and i want to eat it. Brick and mortar is easily the most convenient but prices don't reflect the convenience.


$900 lower in price???!!! That to me doesn't sound right if it is $900 lower than what Abe's from Maine has listed. I would strongly suspect they are refurbished displays or returns or something. Like the saying goes, if it sounds too good to be true............
post #3079 of 6435
$900 lower than what the listed price is for world wide stereo. U have to apply a promo code and it comes off. I will call the retailer again tomorrow. The brick and mortar store i called said they will match any retailer as long as it is an authorized panasonic dealer. Initially the rep told me world wide stereo was not an authorized dealer, i found out otherwise: http://www.panasonic.com/about/view-...-retailers.asp

Called back and now they are backpedaling. Let's see how this plays out!
post #3080 of 6435
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Originally Posted by neo samurai View Post

$900 lower than what the listed price is for world wide stereo. U have to apply a promo code and it comes off. I will call the retailer again tomorrow. The brick and mortar store i called said they will match any retailer as long as it is an authorized panasonic dealer. Initially the rep told me world wide stereo was not an authorized dealer, i found out otherwise: http://www.panasonic.com/about/view-...-retailers.asp

Called back and now they are backpedaling. Let's see how this plays out!

Have you look at Cleveland plasma?
You can even have Chad B calibrate your set prior to shipping

or

Value Electronics and have them have D-Nice calibrate your set too.
post #3081 of 6435
Come someone point me to the settings that D-Nice posted?
post #3082 of 6435
I don't think it gets much better in the world of HDTV than the VT30. I have the 55" and sit approx 12' away and now wish I bought the 65". I would recommend the break-in slides and then get it calibrated by D-Nice if possible.

Beautiful set. Hard to beat. My 2 cents.

Happy Thanksgiving!
post #3083 of 6435
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Originally Posted by neo samurai View Post

On the fence about ordering the 65vt30. Have read some great reviews and inisight from this forum and others, however, there is also some negative feedback. Found a pretty good price from an online vendor. Debating if i should go ahead with the purchase or wait till the 2012 panasonic lineup debuts. What do u guys think? If i decide to purchase the vt30, what advice could u offer? Month of manufacture? And so on ....... Would appreciate some feedback. Thanks

I don't think it gets much better in the world of HDTV than the VT30. I have the 55" and sit approx 12' away and now wish I bought the 65". I would recommend the break-in slides and then get it calibrated by D-Nice if possible.

Beautiful set. Hard to beat. My 2 cents.

Happy Thanksgiving!
post #3084 of 6435
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Originally Posted by GPstar87 View Post


Thanks for the reply. Still running the slides. After about 20 hours of run time so far, the dark horizontal line has faded away some. I believe it will be gone after the set ages a little longer. However, the banding is terrible. I'm actually surprised its so visible. It is visible on no matter what picture setting the TV is set to. I know I shouldn't judge based on the break in slides but I just didn't expect banding like this. I expect this is mostly due to the fact that the whole background I am viewing is one single color. The real test will be when I finally get to watch some Blu-ray movies and see if it is visible there.
I loved Inception so that's what I plan on watching first. After that comes Avatar, The Dark Knight, Return of the King... Boy I'm glad this is a long weekend!

Jason

No worries, hope you enjoy your set to the fullest. Those movies should really give the VT30 a chance to shine, good choices.
post #3085 of 6435
getting a good price at BB for the 65 inch....would you guys consider buying an open box unit from BB ???
post #3086 of 6435
Can either one of the listed vendors below pm me for pricing?



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Originally Posted by MrJai View Post

Have you look at Cleveland plasma?
You can even have Chad B calibrate your set prior to shipping

or

Value Electronics and have them have D-Nice calibrate your set too.
post #3087 of 6435
So my 65VT30 just arrived and it's a July build. Does Panasonic have to come out and replace something so I won't have the brightness fluctuation?
post #3088 of 6435
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Originally Posted by neo samurai View Post

Can either one of the listed vendors below pm me for pricing?

How about contacting them yourself? They are probably busy enough and don't scan all the TV threads you'll find their websites in the banners in the main section of the.forum or you can search Google.
post #3089 of 6435
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Originally Posted by neo samurai View Post

$900 lower than what the listed price is for world wide stereo. U have to apply a promo code and it comes off. I will call the retailer again tomorrow. The brick and mortar store i called said they will match any retailer as long as it is an authorized panasonic dealer. Initially the rep told me world wide stereo was not an authorized dealer, i found out otherwise: http://www.panasonic.com/about/view-...-retailers.asp

Called back and now they are backpedaling. Let's see how this plays out!

Neo,
Do you live near world wide stereo? I buy most of my high end stuff from them as I live about 20 minutes away and they are a reputable dealer, with a beautiful showroom and they run several commercials on the radio. I can assure you they are a legit company. The only thing is that they usually are higher in price than big box stores like bb or hh Gregg but at least you have a sales rep who will go to bat for you if something breaks. Let me know if you need more info
post #3090 of 6435
Thanks for the info. I live in WI. Not at all near world wide stereo. I've heard nothing but good things about them though. Their price is untouchable on the 65vt30. Might just bite the bullet tomorrow. I also called Value electronics. Their salesman even recommended i go with world wide stereo price because it was a great deal. I just hope that world wide stereo can get me a vt30 that was manufactured after september and make sure its brand new, not a refurb. Thanks everyone who replied back to my posts. I really appreciate the knowledge and the courtesy.


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Originally Posted by bzal1122 View Post

Neo,
Do you live near world wide stereo? I buy most of my high end stuff from them as I live about 20 minutes away and they are a reputable dealer, with a beautiful showroom and they run several commercials on the radio. I can assure you they are a legit company. The only thing is that they usually are higher in price than big box stores like bb or hh Gregg but at least you have a sales rep who will go to bat for you if something breaks. Let me know if you need more info
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