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post #4591 of 6382
Got my 55VT30 from Panasonic EPP. Out of the box after sitting for more than a day to warm up (dang cold/snow here in Denver). Sure seems like a big screen coming from a 42" Samsung

Running the slides now for 100 hours. Everything seems OK at this point other than my back from lifting it onto the stand by myself
post #4592 of 6382
Ok, got my panny 65" a few days ago, and just opened it up tonight. Running the slides now, and.... loud buzzing on the darker slides. Noticeable from 10' away.

Did any one have luck on getting this issue fixed? Does it get better with time? I'm inclined to return the set for a replacement. Anyone know if Amazon does replacements and how that policy works?
post #4593 of 6382
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Originally Posted by beezar View Post

Ok, got my panny 65" a few days ago, and just opened it up tonight. Running the slides now, and.... loud buzzing on the darker slides. Noticeable from 10' away.

Did any one have luck on getting this issue fixed? Does it get better with time? I'm inclined to return the set for a replacement. Anyone know if Amazon does replacements and how that policy works?

No buzzing heard on my set beyond about 2 feet. Amazon will ship you a new tv and pick up the old one when the new one arrives. I'm not sure if it is easily fixed but u could call Panasonic.
post #4594 of 6382
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Originally Posted by smster21 View Post

Didn't run slides but brought in Chad B to calibrate. What a great guy. All business and really good at what he does. He spent five full hours on the calibration and then spent time explaining everything to me. To be honest it was all Greek to me, but the picture looks fantastic. Highly, highly recommend him, and highly recommend the tv.

Thanks for your calibration report. I've added it to the flat panel lists (post # two) in the thread that's linked at the bottom of my post.

Enjoy.
post #4595 of 6382
Less than a day left on my panel prep. Just curious, with an LJ1298 serial number Oct build, what is the general consensus on what settings to use. MJ or LH?
post #4596 of 6382
**2.1 FIRMWARE WARNING**

Well, I installed the 2.1 calibration firmware and found two bugs with it!

(1) I don't use CATS but it no longer works in Standard picture mode. Toggling it on/off in Standard picture mode does nothing. It works in other picture modes.

(2) Toggling back and forth several times between Standard picture mode (with Contrast set at 100) and Vivid picture mode causes Standard picture mode to take a severe drop in brightness. Toggling it back and forth again between Standard and Vivid gets Standard picture mode's brightness back up.

I installed the 2.1 firmware twice and still have the above same two bugs. I reset all picture modes. Same two bugs. I tried flashing the latest 2.2 firmware. Same two bugs. Just passing this on so beware of these issues if you plan to try the 2.1 firmware.
post #4597 of 6382
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Originally Posted by spd476 View Post

I just got my 65VT30 yesterday and I'm not sure if I have the FBr problem. I haven't adjusted any of the settings other than turning the C.A.T.S. off. Turning that off didn't seem to make a difference. I've noitced the screen keeps varying in brightness from scene to scene or between a basketball highlight & hockey highlight. It doesn't seem to be the source material. The entire screen seems to dim and brighten a lot.

I've mainly been watching Netflix streaming through the PS3 and some DVR'd shows. The picture itself looks amazing right out of the box. The constant adjusting of the brightness is annoying though.

The TV has a September 2011 build date, a MJ serial number and EEPROM version 84.46, so I thought the FBr issue wouldn't be happening. Are there any other settings that need to be changed to get a consistent brightness? I haven't touched anything besides turning off CATS. Do I need to wait it out for 100 hours or so?

Check out post #3775 for links to videos of FB problem to help make up your mind whether it is or isn't. I'm returning the 55VT30 I got last weekend with another from BB/Magnolia tomorrow because even though it was a post October build with all the right fixes from the factory according to the numbers....I still had the problem. I took another forum members advice and returned it. Panasonics problem shouldn't be yours too.
post #4598 of 6382
Can someone help me understand what the proper settings are on the PS3 for use with the 65VT30 and DNICE settings?

PS3 settings in question:

BD / DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) Auto, RGB, or Y Pb / Cb Pr / Cr
http://manuals.playstation.net/docum...ings.html#2462

Set the video output format to use when playing a BD or DVD. Set this option when the system is connected to a TV using an HDMI cable. Adjust the settings as necessary for the TV in use.
Y Pb / Cb Pr / Cr Super-White (HDMI) on or off
http://manuals.playstation.net/docum...uperwhite.html

RGB Full Range (HDMI) Limited or Full
http://manuals.playstation.net/docum...fullrange.html

I've read that DNICE suggests to turn Deep color off, that I have already done.

I think I had all of the settings set appropriately for my old TV but not sure how they should be set for the VT30.

thanks.
post #4599 of 6382
Would someone be willing to do an input lag test on the vt30 as described by this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1166196

Also it says to test it with all processing effects turned off and have it on Game mode. But I would also like to see what effect the Motion Smoother specifically has on lag.
So basically do three tests:

All processing effects off, Game mode
All processing effects off, except Motion Smoother at Weak, Game mode
All processing effects off, except Motion Smoother at Strong, Game mode

Thanks
post #4600 of 6382
I think i
have somewhat figured out what I think is the best video output settings from ps3, at least on my vt30. I need to have the ps3 output as The Y Pb Cr option, and super white needs to be turned on. With super white off or color space set to RGB instead of Y Pb Cr the left two black bars on the spears and munsil benchmark bluray are not visible at any brightness level and it seems like it Is cutting out part of the black on any other mode. I haven't tested the effects these changes have on any other test patterns.

I'm not sure if anyone else has the same result as me or not. I connected my ps3 straight to my vt30 but will try with the denon 3808 in the loop.
post #4601 of 6382
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Originally Posted by Sound & Vision View Post

**2.1 FIRMWARE WARNING**

Well, I installed the 2.1 calibration firmware and found two bugs with it!

(1) I don't use CATS but it no longer works in Standard picture mode. Toggling it on/off in Standard picture mode does nothing. It works in other picture modes.

(2) Toggling back and forth several times between Standard picture mode (with Contrast set at 100) and Vivid picture mode causes Standard picture mode to take a severe drop in brightness. Toggling it back and forth again between Standard and Vivid gets Standard picture mode's brightness back up.

I installed the 2.1 firmware twice and still have the above same two bugs. I reset all picture modes. Same two bugs. I tried flashing the latest 2.2 firmware. Same two bugs. Just passing this on so beware of these issues if you plan to try the 2.1 firmware.

Hello I installed the 2.1 Patch two weeks ago and found no problem with this up date.
DD
post #4602 of 6382
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Originally Posted by DD007 View Post


Hello I installed the 2.1 Patch two weeks ago and found no problem with this up date.
DD

Several people have already confirmed the same finding as me. You have to do as I posted to see these issues. If you just leave it in THX or Custom picture mode you will not see these bugs. Reads my post, set the contrast to 100 in Standard mode and toggle over back and forth into Vivid picture mode and you'll see the issues that firmware 2.1 has. Or, just change to Standard (contrast at 100) picture mode and toggle CATS on/off and you will see that it does not work anymore in Standard picture mode but works fine in all others.

I could get CATS to work in Standard with contrast and brightness both set to 50. It loses its effect at 70+.. With contrast set to 100 it does not work at all. Which is not right as CATS dims the set.. So the higher in Contrast you go the harder it should work.. Also with contrast set to 100 in Standard picture mode.. If you toggle back and forth into Vivid several times eventually Standard picture mode will drop brightness until you toggle some more, then it will come back.
post #4603 of 6382
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Originally Posted by terzaghi View Post

I think i
have somewhat figured out what I think is the best video output settings from ps3, at least on my vt30. I need to have the ps3 output as The Y Pb Cr option, and super white needs to be turned on. With super white off or color space set to RGB instead of Y Pb Cr the left two black bars on the spears and munsil benchmark bluray are not visible at any brightness level and it seems like it Is cutting out part of the black on any other mode. I haven't tested the effects these changes have on any other test patterns.

I'm not sure if anyone else has the same result as me or not. I connected my ps3 straight to my vt30 but will try with the denon 3808 in the loop.

Thanks for posting this helpful info. Not everyone has calibration discs and even those that do may not test the results in different TV/disc player settings as you have.

The PS3 manual and VT30 manual isn't very clear on how to set these various settings for the best possible video performance. Your testing will be very helpful for those who are't familiar with what any of these settings do or how they affect picture quality.

Thanks again.
post #4604 of 6382
It shows up on any picture type of or mode, yes to the black pillar box, yes to letterbox and of course to full screen. It occurs while playing any content through any of my two sources which are DirectTVs HD box and my Panasonic Blu-Ray player.

I hate to have to report on this, but I put up both my videos from before the board switch and after the board switch, both with the same results. Though A&E Factory Service guy says its now fixed. I beg to differ completely. My picture was just perfect the first 7 days of ownership and now its a far cry from that clarity and resolution it originally had.

In fact, with this new A-Board, the picture has what I think is deemed to be crushed blacks, even in THX mode, which I thought had the perfect blend of contrast and brightness etc with original board. Now my picture has lost all detail in any black scenes or in Hair, or pants or anything that has real black in it. Its like just black blothes. Also the color is very saturated in this mode and very warm. Much more than with my first original board.

And last, this A-board has a dithering pattern, that is more dynamic than the first one, which had really non to speak of. Dithering is outside of the dancing pixels or sparking issue in my clip. The dithering is noticeable though now. The biggest change in picture quality with this new A-Board seems to be a mosquito net effect to the screen, the crushed blacks and really saturated colors. It seems like the picture moves behind the net. It looks like there is a kind of grainy net that sits still while the moving content moves behind it.

I really hate to write about this, but its important to let people and Panasonic know that there are quality issues, and consistency issues with their processing and or panels in general. I am getting to wonder about Japanese made products these days, they were perfectionists for most of my adult life, but over the last decade, their quality has been off in the production of electronics.

I don't want to scare people totally away from these types of products, and I want to make a point, that this panel had really great picture quality to begin with, but then suddenly dropped as these pixels started to take over the whole panel in a substantial way and they were not there in the least to begin with. I will film my screen in action in THX mode with same camera and without adjusting any of the settings, this will be right out of the box in THX factory settings mode which is supposed to be their most accurate setting. You tell me what you think of the crushed blacks or if I am imagining things.

I thought when I first bought this TV, that during the first 7 or so days, outside of the less than totally accurate color gamut, this was the best picture I saw on any TV on the market. It was just fabulous and the motion was smooth, fine tonality and dynamic range, and the resolution was clearer than in the movies. It was that good.
post #4605 of 6382
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Originally Posted by twarman17 View Post

Beatlejoose, please keep us posted on what happens with your dealings w/ Panasonic. I have the same issue w/ my tv unless I reduce brightness to 51 on blurays or low 30s for Directv. I am going to have Panasonic come out and check it out. Others have said they do not have this issue, I cannot believe that it is standard for me to have to reduce brightness into the low 30's using cnet's THX settings to avoid this dancing green pixels. The Homeland season finale was unwatchable (particularly the night scene at the end where Walker and Brody meet) unless I reduced brightness to 33. Otherwise, I have the exact issue posted in your video.

I will let you know if Panasonic will do anything at all, so far they just rely on their sub contractors, I would be willing to take this panel to a Best Buy and compare it with the one on display, there would be big PQ differences. I am sending them another video of this A-Board processors picture in THX mode. This pixel scattering is in letterbox as well as darker content. I tried to show just what you are asking in my video. I panned on the boarder of the letterbox and into the content to show its crosses over from content to boarder. Its all over the screen as long as its getting its source from any of the two sources Satellite TV or Blu-Ray player.
post #4606 of 6382
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Originally Posted by twarman17 View Post

Beatlejoose, please keep us posted on what happens with your dealings w/ Panasonic. I have the same issue w/ my tv unless I reduce brightness to 51 on blurays or low 30s for Directv. I am going to have Panasonic come out and check it out. Others have said they do not have this issue, I cannot believe that it is standard for me to have to reduce brightness into the low 30's using cnet's THX settings to avoid this dancing green pixels. The Homeland season finale was unwatchable (particularly the night scene at the end where Walker and Brody meet) unless I reduced brightness to 33. Otherwise, I have the exact issue posted in your video.

I will try to keep up with posting, I am upset, I know this isn't everyones problem, but I have had a bad time of it unluckily. Panasonic has only brought out a subcontractor and they are in disagreement with me the second time around, after installation of A-board. The first time, he agreed in seconds, which I thought was a bit quick, but I thought maybe he saw this before.

I understand that, they also deal with many different sets and manufacturers, so any given tech may not care to understand what the potential these sets have nor do they have to care like you and I who forked out major dollars for these sets. This tech never heard of the FBR issue with these sets for example. So what really does he have as expertise other than as a parts changer? I asked him if he has worked with this set before and he said no. So rightfully he might not know what to expect out of them.
post #4607 of 6382
Guess i got lucky with my new 65VT30.
post #4608 of 6382
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sound & Vision View Post

**2.1 FIRMWARE WARNING**

Well, I installed the 2.1 calibration firmware and found two bugs with it!

(1) I don't use CATS but it no longer works in Standard picture mode. Toggling it on/off in Standard picture mode does nothing. It works in other picture modes.

(2) Toggling back and forth several times between Standard picture mode (with Contrast set at 100) and Vivid picture mode causes Standard picture mode to take a severe drop in brightness. Toggling it back and forth again between Standard and Vivid gets Standard picture mode's brightness back up.

I installed the 2.1 firmware twice and still have the above same two bugs. I reset all picture modes. Same two bugs. I tried flashing the latest 2.2 firmware. Same two bugs. Just passing this on so beware of these issues if you plan to try the 2.1 firmware.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Sound & Vision View Post

Several people have already confirmed the same finding as me. You have to do as I posted to see these issues. If you just leave it in THX or Custom picture mode you will not see these bugs. Reads my post, set the contrast to 100 in Standard mode and toggle over back and forth into Vivid picture mode and you'll see the issues that firmware 2.1 has. Or, just change to Standard (contrast at 100) picture mode and toggle CATS on/off and you will see that it does not work anymore in Standard picture mode but works fine in all others.

I could get CATS to work in Standard with contrast and brightness both set to 50. It loses its effect at 70+.. With contrast set to 100 it does not work at all. Which is not right as CATS dims the set.. So the higher in Contrast you go the harder it should work.. Also with contrast set to 100 in Standard picture mode.. If you toggle back and forth into Vivid several times eventually Standard picture mode will drop brightness until you toggle some more, then it will come back.

That update is for those doing a proper calibration (it's actually labeled for Professional installers only though it's not a private link/download and the link is posted in several places).

Calibrators are disabling C.A.T.S. and in nearly all cases won't calibrate Standard and never Vivid (and you wouldn't want to if your goal is to have an image close to the references).

I understand there are some Owners that like those Picture Modes and even C.A.T.S. and there are also those who don't like the calibrated picture. If you don't plan on having your display calibrated properly or you don't like the calibrated picture, I wouldn't have the optional update installed.
post #4609 of 6382
Guys,

I've had my 65VT30 now for 2 days, and I posted my initial impressions the other day. I've been keeping up with this thread so I would have a good idea what to expect when I got it.

I don't know what the fluctuating brightness issue is or the A-Board issue as I've not experienced the kinds of issues that relate yet. My TV is a July 2011 build. Regardless, the TV is being exchanged because there are scratches on the glass. I'm pretty sure they were done by the guys who delivered it. Very minor and hard to see, but still there on the glass. Plus a bit of dirty caught behind the glass on the lower right. You can't see it though when watching it 12 feet away.

The main thing I wanted to address here is that in the 2 evenings I've had to watch it, the second night I set the Custom settings to 50 for brightness and contrast and color at 40 and sharpness at zero. It made it more watchable while breaking it in. Even though it's being exchanged, I can't abuse this set for the next guy who gets it. So with these settings, I watched a large portion of Aliens. You guys speak of Batman and the black levels on that movie. I have it, but am waiting till this set is broken in before watching it. I wonder if you guys ever thought Aliens was a good torture test because that blu ray is amazing!

There are many dark scenes from the salvage ship that picks up Ripley's escape shuttle, to the sequences when they first enter the colony and the Marines are attacked by the aliens in the reactor. This is some pretty deep s*@t!

The close-ups of Ripley from when she wakes up from her nightmare and washes her face, to the later shots in the APC working with Gorman look fantastic! This is my first time actually seeing a blu ray in 1080p. I have for the last 6 years a Pioneer 50" 1130HD Elite but it's pre-Kuro and 720 resolution. This set looks great! My Pioneer I will keep, but the VT30 sure looked great!

With the settings I described above, I didn't see any issues. No fluctuation yet, at least I don't know what to look for. I suppose if I get lucky, the next set will not have any issues. And maybe a later build. If this set breaks in well, I'll be happy with it after calibration. So far, so good.
post #4610 of 6382
Just watched Fast 5 and Red state on Blu ray. The VT did so well! I cant imagine a better picture
post #4611 of 6382
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Originally Posted by Beatlejoose View Post

I will try to keep up with posting, I am upset, I know this isn't everyones problem, but I have had a bad time of it unluckily. Panasonic has only brought out a subcontractor and they are in disagreement with me the second time around, after installation of A-board. The first time, he agreed in seconds, which I thought was a bit quick, but I thought maybe he saw this before.

I understand that, they also deal with many different sets and manufacturers, so any given tech may not care to understand what the potential these sets have nor do they have to care like you and I who forked out major dollars for these sets. This tech never heard of the FBR issue with these sets for example. So what really does he have as expertise other than as a parts changer? I asked him if he has worked with this set before and he said no. So rightfully he might not know what to expect out of them.

Update on my dealings with panasonic's sub contractor in Chicago. I sent them your video links since I have the exact issue. They called me right away and said they had seen this problem before. They are coming on Tuesday to swap the SS board (they ordered that part) and perhaps they said make some adjustments to the power supply. Hopefully this solves the issue, and I will post whether it is fixed. Sorry to hear you are having problems with your sub contractor - that is extremely frustrating.
post #4612 of 6382
Does anyone know how much it will cost me to get a VT30 professionally calibrated in London?
post #4613 of 6382
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Originally Posted by Mohamed1983 View Post

Does anyone know how much it will cost me to get a VT30 professionally calibrated in London?

Maybe 800 quid
post #4614 of 6382
Dnice will be here at the house within a few mins to start working on my new 65VT30.
post #4615 of 6382
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

Maybe 800 quid

I should hope it's less than that. It's 1/3 to 1/2 as much in the U.S.
post #4616 of 6382
let me know how it goes
post #4617 of 6382
Why do plasmas experience "line bleed" with certain content
post #4618 of 6382
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

Dnice will be here at the house within a few mins to start working on my new 65VT30.

You're getting a calibration on Christmas Day? Wow!--nice present!
post #4619 of 6382
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Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post


You're getting a calibration on Christmas Day? Wow!--nice present!

Yes, he got a calibration for Christmas and I got a 5020FD
post #4620 of 6382
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Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

You're getting a calibration on Christmas Day? Wow!--nice present!

Dnice spent a good 2.5 hours on my VT30. Sure looks much better! He popped in Darknite in my OPPO83 and sure looked great. I will miss my 5020, but with the biggger 65" VT with it's close to Kuro looking pic i should be fine.
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