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post #6151 of 6435
Thanks, perhaps my terminology is incorrect, what I want is a "direct" mode but "just" in the vt isn't what it suggests?
I.e. the signal goes direct from the source with no further processing in the tv?
My Kuro has such a mode where it just takes the signal and displays it. No stretch or changing the image to fit the screen.
Regards
post #6152 of 6435
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

Thanks, perhaps my terminology is incorrect, what I want is a "direct" mode but "just" in the vt isn't what it suggests?
I.e. the signal goes direct from the source with no further processing in the tv?

Since I don't own a Panasonic, I'm confused about what you are asking. Any TV will have to process source material if that signal doesn't match the display's native resolution -- in your case 1080P. As an aside, any calibration of picture controls should be done in the display. So, bottom line, I'm not sure what your question is.

Direct mode, to me, means that the input device passes on the source (shinny disk, etc.) as is. For instance, from the player to the AVR, or from the AVR or player to the display. In your situation, I think that your player or your AVR should be converting the source to 1080P. The OPPO and your AVR may be similar, so you would need to try it both ways, and see which one you like best. Your display will do the same thing, but I doubt that it can do that job as well as your OPPO and your receiver.

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My Kuro has such a mode where it just takes the signal and displays it. No stretch or changing the image to fit the screen.
Regards

That's Dot by Dot, I use it all the time.

There must be an equivalent setting, Maybe an owner will supply it after they finish their Easter dinner.
post #6153 of 6435
Yep, that's the mode- dot by dot.. Doesn't seem to be one on the vt?
Blessed Easter
The VT was a present to myself on Good Friday
post #6154 of 6435
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

Yep, that's the mode- dot by dot.. Doesn't seem to be one on the vt?
Blessed Easter
The VT was a present to myself on Good Friday

Try this.

Originally Posted by whipit
Full mode IS dot by dot mode provided hd size 2 is selected.
post #6155 of 6435
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Originally Posted by MrJai View Post

That's why the TV is being replaced under warranty if you know what I mean. I have a 65 and I already have an offer for 1500. As long as I can get 1700 for it then I should be okay.

Just sold my 65VT30 last week for $2200. Sold in two days...
post #6156 of 6435
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Originally Posted by ifg View Post

Just purchased the 65VT30. June 2011 build with the brightness fluctuation problem evident. Just called Panasonic and they are refusing to replace stating it is part of the energy saving. I know this is bogus. Am I missing something, sounds like some of you all had no problem at all?

It may be. Did you turn off C.A.T.S.? That is usually the first thing they ask about. If you have the eco systems turned off, and have the brightness issue, just demand that they replace the A-board. They will. Sometimes with Panasonic you just have to get someone who has heard of the issue. Some of their rep's are up to date, and some aren't. Just don't take no for an answer and you'll get it taken care of.
post #6157 of 6435
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Originally Posted by Jigsore View Post


Just sold my 65VT30 last week for $2200. Sold in two days...

Wow no offense to you but whoever bought it seems like a chump since the price for that TV new has dipped below $2,400 numerous times in the last couple months, including only a couple weeks ago, and from places with free shipping, no tax (in most states) and free 30-day no fault return policies. Seems crazy to save less than 10 percent for used versus brand new under warranty.
post #6158 of 6435
Friends, set delivered and on my wall...
850mm is a bit high, I would have liked it to be around 750mm to be honest...
A few minor scratches but no big deal... There is a buzz, which isn't audible unless you are next to the set.

Then .... I finally get to access the hours and I hit a rather big snafu...

It's no one month old set, there is 2780 hours on this set!!! That makes it at least four months or more on this set, and probably in torch mode most of it!

My current choices :

In my area the VT50 won't be here for another month or more. So it's either bear with this, or get a new Samsung E8000 and top up the difference of about $700 or so.

You guys were so right with the advice on avoiding a display set...

Sigh.. I am going from happy to totally stuffed

Keep the set, or spring up for the Sam. I know... It's a Panasonic thread, but I honestly feel both are fine.

Not sure about the fbr.. Need to find out how to see it...
post #6159 of 6435
My options:
I reckon the display set is too much to keep...
So
- get the E8000
- Get a NEW VT30
- wait until May or so for the VT50 which apparently will cost a lot more...

Any opinions...
post #6160 of 6435
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

My options:
I reckon the display set is too much to keep...
So
- get the E8000
- Get a NEW VT30
- wait until May or so for the VT50 which apparently will cost a lot more...

Any opinions...

These are very different options so it really depends on your priorities. If you want the best, wait for the VT50. If you want a close-out deal, patiently wait to see if there is another round of VT30 deals at $2,500 or below and if not then be satisfied with one of your other choices when the VT30's sell out. If you were willing to settle for a VT30 on PQ and features and don't need the best, get the ST50 which is at least as good at the VT30 and will cost less than the VT50. Samsung is just apples-to-oranges. It will also have a great PQ (probably will end up on par with this year's ST50 but we'll see) and tends to lead of the non-core "features" like in this case the voice control, gesture control, built-on camera for Skype or facial recognition (to log you automatically into social media apps, etc).

Good luck.
post #6161 of 6435
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

My options:
I reckon the display set is too much to keep...
So
- get the E8000
- Get a NEW VT30
- wait until May or so for the VT50 which apparently will cost a lot more...

Any opinions...

Personally I would go with the Samsung. Last May I got the VT30, and had it calibrated twice. Twice because it was supposed to be the best out there, and was never happy with it. The black level was not that great compared to what I had read, the motion resolution was terrible, and the GD flicker issues! Most of my time was spent in the menu's trying to find a way to improve the picture. So I sold the VT, and got a great price on a D8000. Had it installed, set up a couple of menu's and have never looked back. The picture on this one is so good that I'm not even sure if I'll have it calibrated. Oh yeah, if you are into the 3D side of things, the Samsung kills the Panasonic for glasses comfort, and image crosstalk. I still thought the Panasonic was great, but the Samsung didn't have any of the issues that I was having with my VT30. One thing is for sure. I will not be trusting any reviews from here on out, and completely trust my own eyes.
post #6162 of 6435
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Originally Posted by Jigsore View Post

It may be. Did you turn off C.A.T.S.? That is usually the first thing they ask about. If you have the eco systems turned off, and have the brightness issue, just demand that they replace the A-board. They will. Sometimes with Panasonic you just have to get someone who has heard of the issue. Some of their rep's are up to date, and some aren't. Just don't take no for an answer and you'll get it taken care of.

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, went through all the checks with the representative. She gave me the "energy savings..yada, yada, yada" and "there is nothing we can do about it". Waiting on a call from a supervisor now.
post #6163 of 6435
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Originally Posted by Jigsore View Post


Personally I would go with the Samsung. Last May I got the VT30, and had it calibrated twice. Twice because it was supposed to be the best out there, and was never happy with it. The black level was not that great compared to what I had read, the motion resolution was terrible, and the GD flicker issues! Most of my time was spent in the menu's trying to find a way to improve the picture. So I sold the VT, and got a great price on a D8000. Had it installed, set up a couple of menu's and have never looked back. The picture on this one is so good that I'm not even sure if I'll have it calibrated. Oh yeah, if you are into the 3D side of things, the Samsung kills the Panasonic for glasses comfort, and image crosstalk. I still thought the Panasonic was great, but the Samsung didn't have any of the issues that I was having with my VT30. One thing is for sure. I will not be trusting any reviews from here on out, and completely trust my own eyes.

In my opinion the 3D on the Panasonic is better than the Samsung. I see no crosstalk in 90% of the content I watch. When I was comparing, the Samsung was bad with crosstalk.

I didn't care for the build quality of Samsung either. Panasonic does resolve issues/problems if you have any, example the FBr/A Board replacement. Samsung is pathetic in this area. If youre going to complain about flickering, don't forget to mention Samsung has its share of problems to, flicker, pealing screen, floating blacks, etc.

Does the VT30 have issues? Absolutely, but id choose it over the Samsung. That said, to the OP, wait and get the VT50!
post #6164 of 6435
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

I didn't care for the build quality of Samsung either. Panasonic does resolve issues/problems if you have any, example the FBr/A Board replacement. Samsung is pathetic in this area. If youre going to complain about flickering, don't forget to mention Samsung has its share of problems to, flicker, pealing screen, floating blacks, etc.

I don't think that's a fair assessment. Looking at it objectively, Samsung and Panasonic both had a similar host of issues in 2011 and Samsung did at least as good a job at addressing them. They solved their pealing screen, they solved their fluctuating brightness, for example. Panasonic did solve the FBr (but only after denying it for a while) in some models and inputs, but not all, and they decided to let the color decoding errors stand uncorrected. If you go to the reviews or the topics you will find many posts from frustrated users who felt Panasonic's customer service was every bit as non-helpful and evasive as others complain about Samsung's being.

This is not a dig against Panasonic or a promotion for Samsung. I think they are about on par in terms of customer service and reliability these days, because Samsung has gone from terrible to okay and Panasonic has gone from good to just okay. That still puts them at the top of the heap. If I could buy one TV this year and price was no object, it would definitely be the VT50 with the ST50 as my second choice. If I could have bought one in 2011, it would have been the D7000 with the D8000 as my second choice. But on customer service and reliability I'd consider them a wash.
post #6165 of 6435
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Originally Posted by Citivas View Post

These are very different options so it really depends on your priorities. If you want the best, wait for the VT50. If you want a close-out deal, patiently wait to see if there is another round of VT30 deals at $2,500 or below and if not then be satisfied with one of your other choices when the VT30's sell out. If you were willing to settle for a VT30 on PQ and features and don't need the best, get the ST50 which is at least as good at the VT30 and will cost less than the VT50. Samsung is just apples-to-oranges. It will also have a great PQ (probably will end up on par with this year's ST50 but we'll see) and tends to lead of the non-core "features" like in this case the voice control, gesture control, built-on camera for Skype or facial recognition (to log you automatically into social media apps, etc).

Good luck.

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Originally Posted by Jigsore View Post

Personally I would go with the Samsung. Last May I got the VT30, and had it calibrated twice. Twice because it was supposed to be the best out there, and was never happy with it. The black level was not that great compared to what I had read, the motion resolution was terrible, and the GD flicker issues! Most of my time was spent in the menu's trying to find a way to improve the picture. So I sold the VT, and got a great price on a D8000. Had it installed, set up a couple of menu's and have never looked back. The picture on this one is so good that I'm not even sure if I'll have it calibrated. Oh yeah, if you are into the 3D side of things, the Samsung kills the Panasonic for glasses comfort, and image crosstalk. I still thought the Panasonic was great, but the Samsung didn't have any of the issues that I was having with my VT30. One thing is for sure. I will not be trusting any reviews from here on out, and completely trust my own eyes.

Thanks friends

Here we won't be seeing either the ST or VT 50 series for a while...
My installer friend knows they are in the warehouses, but the tactic is to hoard them until the 30 series sells out..

So he figures that the best way forward is to haggle for a new VT30. Since the mount is already on my wall, and there is a lot of paperwork involved in a refund, they are more inclined to get me a new VT 30, especially if I top up with some cash.

As for the E8000 (no more D8000 anywhere), he was installing some of them and he did mention that he has a lot of issues with noise on the screens that he can't resolve right now. So unless I want to be an early adopter, I should get the VT30 with the extra warranty, and pocket the difference. He hinted that our VT50s will cost more than $2000 more than the runout prices of the VT30 when they become available as Panasonic seeks to recoup their losses.

So fingers crossed as I go to the store today and get a solution.

On a separate note, 850mm off the floor is still a tad high. Ideally 700mm will bring it below my eye level. But the mount (Sanus) has a tilt function, so that helps.

It seems the mount has a little wiggle room, so I might be able to lower the screen by an inch or so.

My long struggle continues...

But it does look nice on my newly renovated place in the feature I designed myself




PS: some little annoying things:
3D was pretty so so... good thing I was not buying this set for this...
The captive power cord was not good. I had a new PS Audio PC all ready...
I haven't had a chance to access all the modes yet, but I know I want pro calibration... it doesn't have a big wow factor right now, not sure why... then again the Kuros I have (2 Pioneers) simply grew on me and it was only when I compared them, that I found that their colors and blacks were so much better. Right now, standing alone in my home, it's just ok - heh

I am tilting the screen slightly downwards - kinda like someone sitting in the forward one thirds in a cinema... the width is good, I am so glad I didn't buy anything smaller ...

PPS: The velodyne is a spare... and they were shifting things when I shot this...
post #6166 of 6435
As for the goggles compatible with my VT30:
It is this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...A2JUPN4BTA3CZV

Or this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TY-E.../ref=pd_sim__3

Thanks
post #6167 of 6435
I just had something very odd happen on my set. I had the slides running on my VT30 for about 30 minutes when I went into the living room and noticed a large viera logo upside down on the screen in one of the slides. I've never seen it before and it does not appear on any of the slides when I scroll through them. The logo disappeared as soon as I hit a button on the remote. Anyone else experience this or have any ideas on the cause?
post #6168 of 6435
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Originally Posted by Jigsore View Post

Personally I would go with the Samsung. Last May I got the VT30, and had it calibrated twice. Twice because it was supposed to be the best out there, and was never happy with it. The black level was not that great compared to what I had read, the motion resolution was terrible, and the GD flicker issues! Most of my time was spent in the menu's trying to find a way to improve the picture. So I sold the VT, and got a great price on a D8000. Had it installed, set up a couple of menu's and have never looked back. The picture on this one is so good that I'm not even sure if I'll have it calibrated. Oh yeah, if you are into the 3D side of things, the Samsung kills the Panasonic for glasses comfort, and image crosstalk. I still thought the Panasonic was great, but the Samsung didn't have any of the issues that I was having with my VT30. One thing is for sure. I will not be trusting any reviews from here on out, and completely trust my own eyes.

Did you get the D8000 led or plasma? I was disappointed with the VT30's 3D compared to my led C8000 at first, but once I calibrated in custom mode using Jim Cameron's Avatar settings, the Panny blew my Samsung led out of the water.
post #6169 of 6435
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

Did you get the D8000 led or plasma? I was disappointed with the VT30's 3D compared to my led C8000 at first, but once I calibrated in custom mode using Jim Cameron's Avatar settings, the Panny blew my Samsung led out of the water.

Plasma. Came from a VT30 and couldn't be more pleased. I think the Panasonic was a better built set, but too many issues. I have seen no crosstalk whatsoever on the D8000, where the VT had very little. I had my VT calibrated professionally two times before throwing in the towel. I even had the Panasonic rep come out to see the set and make sure it wasn't a defective set, and they checked it out thoroughly and told me everything is functioning perfectly. I think it was, but Samsung just excels in some areas. The most surprising to me was the black level though. Everyone raves about the black level on the Panasonic, but on my Samsung the edge of the TV really does disappear on dark scenes. Sometimes I can't even tell if the movie is letterboxed or not because you cant tell where the scene ends. Dont get me wrong, the Samsung is not even close to a perfect TV, but I enjoy it much more than my old VT30. BTW, just to address your original comment about the LED vs. the VT30, the VT30 stomps all over the Samsung LED sets. Not even a close call.
post #6170 of 6435
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Originally Posted by Jigsore View Post

Plasma. Came from a VT30 and couldn't be more pleased. I think the Panasonic was a better built set, but too many issues. I have seen no crosstalk whatsoever on the D8000, where the VT had very little. I had my VT calibrated professionally two times before throwing in the towel. I even had the Panasonic rep come out to see the set and make sure it wasn't a defective set, and they checked it out thoroughly and told me everything is functioning perfectly. I think it was, but Samsung just excels in some areas. The most surprising to me was the black level though. Everyone raves about the black level on the Panasonic, but on my Samsung the edge of the TV really does disappear on dark scenes. Sometimes I can't even tell if the movie is letterboxed or not because you cant tell where the scene ends. Dont get me wrong, the Samsung is not even close to a perfect TV, but I enjoy it much more than my old VT30. BTW, just to address your original comment about the LED vs. the VT30, the VT30 stomps all over the Samsung LED sets. Not even a close call.

Very true regarding the VT30 vs. LED. I was hesitant to buy a plasma having never owned one but now can't believe it took so long. In the end, it is all about trusting your eyes and not the opinions of others like you stated earlier.
post #6171 of 6435
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

Very true regarding the VT30 vs. LED. I was hesitant to buy a plasma having never owned one but now can't believe it took so long. In the end, it is all about trusting your eyes and not the opinions of others like you stated earlier.

Trusting your eyes... I wish I did in the first place because I could have saved a lot of money and time. The VT30 is a really beautiful TV, but just not for me in the end. When the new Elite's came out I almost dropped the money on one because they were supposed to be the king of the mountain, but I spent some time with them in the local showroom and walked away. For me the Elite would have been the wrong choice as well. So far I have never seen a TV that is perfect, and don't know if I ever will. The important thing is that you are happy with your purchase and get your money's worth. Even though I ended up going a different direction, the VT30 is an awesome set that should bring you years of enjoyment.
post #6172 of 6435
Sigh mates no luck ... I wanted to swop the display set for a new vt with a top up but the shop actually refused... So I activated the refund clause instead... A bit of a hassle but I am now free to choose from all three options: vt30/50 or Sammy..

The VT30 isn't bad and I can happily live with it, or I guess the others so long as they are trouble free!

Anyhow can anyone tell me where is the remote sensor on the sammy E8000? I need to mount a tv lower and the panny IR and remote sensor are all in the centre, which the bulbous tweeter of my HTM 4s centre is..
I assume it's the same for the VT50..
post #6173 of 6435
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post


Did you get the D8000 led or plasma? I was disappointed with the VT30's 3D compared to my led C8000 at first, but once I calibrated in custom mode using Jim Cameron's Avatar settings, the Panny blew my Samsung led out of the water.

I thought Cameron's Avatar settings were specifically for a VT25??
post #6174 of 6435
[quote=Sound & Vision;21888949]I thought Cameron's Avatar settings were specifically for a VT25??[/

It was for the VT25, but many of the settings are the same. Just apply to the VT30 and enjoy. made a huge difference for me.
post #6175 of 6435
I have had this panel for about 4 months now, after 2 months had an ISF calibration done by Kevin Miller. I know that in a few months the new 2012 models will be out, but for me and my family we have the finest panel available on the market today, and probably the foreseeable future. I have watched it with many sources ranging from HD satellite and cable, both drama and sports, and everything in between as well as Blu ray and other discs. I have also watched a variety of streaming services including Netflix, VUDU, and Apple TV. After hundreds of hours of viewing I can say with confidence the following. The black levels on this panel are truly remarkable. This is the new King of black level performance. The color accuracy is beyond belief, and combined the picture is not only accurate but provides a level of depth, immersion, and realism that I did not think possible in a plasma panel. The overall experience, no matter the content, is accurate, immerseive, and truly a unique and enjoyable experience. You always feel that you are literally there at one with the picture. I am very happy with this purchase, and obviously even more so after the calibration and expect this panel will bring my family many years of 2D and 3D viewing pleasure. I am still looking for a set of 4 reasonable priced 3-D glasses so if anyone has found glasses that work well with this set and are reasonably priced please let me know. I hope that all of you that own the set have the awesome experience I have. I have been using plasma for the past 10 years and while always happy this set has far exceeded my expectations. Great job Panasonic!
post #6176 of 6435
jiwright, congratulations. I couldn't be happier with my VT30 as well (have had it for a year). But yes, they do get a little better every year. That said, I won't be upgrading for at least another 5 years or so (my VT30 replaced an 8-year-old DLP).
post #6177 of 6435
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Originally Posted by Mohamed1983 View Post

Now that more information on the VT50 is available, is there still a definitive answer as to whether it's worth waiting for? I've never owned a top-of-the-range model before, will there really be that much a difference for someone like me if I just get the VT30? I mean in terms of picture quality.

I would just get the VT30 because as far as I know the VT50 doesent use the "kuro technology" that they should be using if they have the info from Pioneer

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20034816-1.html

I posted this before but its strange that this isnt talked about more in the industry, I am not sure if the VT50 uses this technology but I dought it

can anyone explain this to me?

I have the Elite and my friend has this 65VT30, and I would probably have to get them side by side to see any difference between the black levels, I have no dought that it looks great but again why not use technology that you have bought that is better then what is being used now?
post #6178 of 6435
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Originally Posted by leftkidney View Post

I have the Elite and my friend has this 65VT30, and I would probably have to get them side by side to see any difference between the black levels, I have no dought that it looks great but again why not use technology that you have bought that is better then what is being used now?

Your doubts don't seem to be based on facts. How would you know what "better" technology, owned by Panasonic, is not being used? As for the VT50 models, why not wait until they are out for a while before proclaiming anything about how they compare to the VT30 models.
post #6179 of 6435
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Your doubts don't seem to be based on facts. How would you know what "better" technology, owned by Panasonic, is not being used? As for the VT50 models, why not wait until they are out for a while before proclaiming anything about how they compare to the VT30 models.

maybe you should go back and read that article where they say they talked to panasonic reps and they said its not being used and also its probably not in the new models - yea again like I said this is an old article

but I have tested both my Elite which is according to my Minolta LS-100 still a 0.001 after 2+ years of 6-8 hour per day use where as my friends 65VT30 that has about 500 hours on it is a 0.006 - I havent even tested the colors yet since my CS-200 is out for calibration but my pro-111fd was as close to perfect as it can get across all brightness ranges as a sub $15,000 display can be and it was less then $5000 when I got it, nothing I have ever seen out side of medical imaging monitors even came close to what I was seeing and it blows my mind that after over 2+ years and calibrating like 10 different high end displays including the new Elite (which really sucks btw) and nothing has come close
post #6180 of 6435
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Originally Posted by leftkidney View Post

maybe you should go back and read that article where they say they talked to panasonic reps and they said its not being used and also its probably not in the new models - yea again like I said this is an old article

You know, I like my Kuro too.

Still, why do you think that what makes your Kuro and outstanding display can be transfered reasonably to Panasonic displays to get the same results? The economics didn't work out too well for Pioneer. Those same economics may effect the choices Panasonic is making.

I read the Panasonic threads because I want to know what's available if our Kuro falls off the wall in the next "big one". The ST50, GT50 and VT50 displays seem like they would be good candidates.
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