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Just put together a system today consisting of ASrock 870 Extreme 3, Phenom II X6 1090T, and 8 Gb Gskill DDR3 1600. Handbrke encoding absolutely rocks. 120 FPS average using AppleTV 2 settings. I can encode a DVD directly from the DVD drive to MKV in 20 minutes and the result is sheer excellence. I am amazed at this processor, and for $199 it is a steal. The only thing better than this would be the 1100T or the Intel Sandy Bridge Processors i.e. i7 2600K. Of course those processors are way more expensive. So if you intend to do a lot of encoding, get this thing it kicks butt. I am very pleased with my purchase.
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Nice, and since you bought the black edition get yourself a new cooler and overclock that baby to 4ghz. Gotta get the full potential!
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Nice, and since you bought the black edition get yourself a new cooler and overclock that baby to 4ghz. Gotta get the full potential!
Yeah the AMD included stock cooler is pretty much junk. What is the normal operating temps for these processors. Mine idles at around 35C and when encoding it goes to about 50-55C. Of course I am running stock voltages and speed. I am sure if I bumped the voltage then it would heat up a lot more. The damn CPU fan sounds like a turbo jet when it spins up.
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Yeah the AMD included stock cooler is pretty much junk. What is the normal operating temps for these processors. Mine idles at around 35C and when encoding it goes to about 50-55C. Of course I am running stock voltages and speed. I am sure if I bumped the voltage then it would heat up a lot more. The damn CPU fan sounds like a turbo jet when it spins up.
So I'm guessing this isn't going in your HT?
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So I'm guessing this isn't going in your HT?
Nope this is in a Antec Full Tower. HTPC is a 780G setup. I figured for HTPC use all this high power is not really needed. So I run a 4850e processor with 780G MB and 2GB DDR2 800. Also coupled with a HD5450 card mainly for bitstreaming purposes. It does the job it is intended to do, which is play BR and stream Netflix, and nothing more.
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Yeah the AMD included stock cooler is pretty much junk. What is the normal operating temps for these processors. Mine idles at around 35C and when encoding it goes to about 50-55C. Of course I am running stock voltages and speed. I am sure if I bumped the voltage then it would heat up a lot more. The damn CPU fan sounds like a turbo jet when it spins up.

Yah the stock fan is no good for OC'ing. Most people say keep it under 55c, amd says 62c is the max you should run it at. Amd chips are less resilient to heat. Your temps sound about normal. I would get a better cooler even if you don't oc just to keep it a little less toasty.
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Yah the stock fan is no good for OC'ing. Most people say keep it under 55c, amd says 62c is the max you should run it at. Amd chips are less resilient to heat. Your temps sound about normal. I would get a better cooler even if you don't oc just to keep it a little less toasty.

Wow 62C. I remember when the Athalon XP chips were smokin it at close to 80C. I am encoding right now and it is between 50 and 53. Using Speedfan it says the CPU Fan is running at 6450 rpm! I didn't even know that was possible, I have never seen a fan run at this kind of speed. It is a little disappointing that they package such garbage fans with their high end CPU's. Any recommendations for a replacement that will keep her nice and cool and not sound like it is going to fly apart?
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Wow 62C. I remember when the Athalon XP chips were smokin it at close to 80C. I am encoding right now and it is between 50 and 53. Using Speedfan it says the CPU Fan is running at 6450 rpm! I didn't even know that was possible, I have never seen a fan run at this kind of speed. It is a little disappointing that they package such garbage fans with their high end CPU's. Any recommendations for a replacement that will keep her nice and cool and not sound like it is going to fly apart?

Also there is an issue with the temp monitor being like 10c off from the true temp. I would try HWmonitor to be sure you are seeing the right temp. I think its the core temp you wan to be looking at, whichever is the highest.

The hyper 212+ is a good affordable cooler for moderate oc'ing. Maybe 3.6-3.8ghz.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103065

I'd say if you want to do 4ghz your going to want to get something in the $65-85 range.

THermaltake Frio, Corsair H50, Prolimatech Megahalems are a few.
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Originally Posted by hotrodbob1976 View Post

The only thing better than this would be the 1100T or the Intel Sandy Bridge Processors i.e. i7 2600K. Of course those processors are way more expensive. So if you intend to do a lot of encoding, get this thing it kicks butt. I am very pleased with my purchase.

I'll just leave this here
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/146?vs=288
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I'll just leave this here
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/146?vs=288

I bought this for mainly encoding and these benchmarks show the 1090T right there with and past the Intel Chip in one encoding benchmark. I don't play games so I don't care about any of that. The system I replaced was Intel and it was good, just not for encoding purposes. Plus probably would have cost me about $70 more for the 2500k between processor and MB. I like switch every now and then. AMD has always been the best bang for the buck IMO. I am very happy with this new machine, especially as compared the one it replaced.
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...The only thing better than this would be the 1100T or the Intel Sandy Bridge Processors i.e. i7 2600K. Of course those processors are way more expensive. So if you intend to do a lot of encoding, get this thing it kicks butt. I am very pleased with my purchase.

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I'll just leave this here
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/146?vs=288

The ref shows mixed results.

IMO hotrodbob has a better sense of what counts, and price.

But then I'm an AMD cpu fan.

Cheers
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Also there is an issue with the temp monitor being like 10c off from the true temp. I would try HWmonitor to be sure you are seeing the right temp. I think its the core temp you wan to be looking at, whichever is the highest.

The hyper 212+ is a good affordable cooler for moderate oc'ing. Maybe 3.6-3.8ghz.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103065

I'd say if you want to do 4ghz your going to want to get something in the $65-85 range.

THermaltake Frio, Corsair H50, Prolimatech Megahalems are a few.

Cool. I will check out some of those coolers. The Core reading is 10 degrees cooler than CPU. Core is identified in Speedfan as AMD K10. When I go into Hardware Monitor in the BIOS the CPU Temp there matches the Speedfan CPU Temp reading. So I am not sure what the Core reading is but it is 10 degrees cooler on average.
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Cool. I will check out some of those coolers. The Core reading is 10 degrees cooler than CPU. Core is identified in Speedfan as AMD K10. When I go into Hardware Monitor in the BIOS the CPU Temp there matches the Speedfan CPU Temp reading. So I am not sure what the Core reading is but it is 10 degrees cooler on average.

Ok as long as you are getting the right number. Good to go.
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The ref shows mixed results.

IMO hotrodbob has a better sense of what counts, and price.

But then I'm an AMD cpu fan.

Cheers

Mixed results? The 2500k beats the 1090T in almost all of those benchmarks. I think only 3 of those benchmarks the 1090T is better. Higher is not always better in the graphs, some are "Lower is Better." The 2nd pass x264 benchmarks shows the 1090T surpassing the 2500k by 1fps... not very much. I rather pay an extra $25 for the 2500k. Basically the same encoding speed (1fps) and overall better performance with the 2500k.
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Mixed results? The 2500k beats the 1090T in almost all of those benchmarks. I think only 3 of those benchmarks the 1090T is better. Higher is not always better in the graphs, some are "Lower is Better." The 2nd pass x264 benchmarks shows the 1090T surpassing the 2500k by 1fps... not very much. I rather pay an extra $25 for the 2500k. Basically the same encoding speed (1fps) and overall better performance with the 2500k.

I would assume the 2500K is a quad with 4 more logical cores just like the i7 2600k? If so it doesn't surprise me it out performs by a little. It is a good choice as well for any setup, no doubt. As for me I like switching it up and coming from a Intel E6550 to the X6 1090T is beyond night and day. Keep in mind most MB for Intel are a little more expensive as well, on average. Especially if they have the same capability as the AMD products. Either way the 2500k is an excellent CPU anyway you look at it, and at its price range it would not be the factor for going AMD. To me a difference of $25 might as well be free. If you start adding other costs then for a lot of folks it does make a difference. Then of course there is the Ford vs. Chevy syndrome, where folks will only buy AMD or Intel due to loyalty. I am not that person, I like to try out each. Overall I would agree with you that Intel has always been the leader in all out performance but AMD holds there own especially in the gaming department. Intel has made some serious strides to overtake AMD in the past few years and for the most part they have done it. Both are great products and I enjoy using each.
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I would assume the 2500K is a quad with 4 more logical cores just like the i7 2600k? If so it doesn't surprise me it out performs by a little. It is a good choice as well for any setup, no doubt. As for me I like switching it up and coming from a Intel E6550 to the X6 1090T is beyond night and day. Keep in mind most MB for Intel are a little more expensive as well, on average. Especially if they have the same capability as the AMD products. Either way the 2500k is an excellent CPU anyway you look at it, and at its price range it would not be the factor for going AMD. To me a difference of $25 might as well be free. If you start adding other costs then for a lot of folks it does make a difference. Then of course there is the Ford vs. Chevy syndrome, where folks will only buy AMD or Intel due to loyalty. I am not that person, I like to try out each. Overall I would agree with you that Intel has always been the leader in all out performance but AMD holds there own especially in the gaming department. Intel has made some serious strides to overtake AMD in the past few years and for the most part they have done it. Both are great products and I enjoy using each.

The 2500k is actually a normal quad core so only 4 threads. Not 8 like the i7. It just has a far superior architecture to the 1090t. The other great thing about it is sandy bridge can overclock like no other. Pretty much any chip can do 4.5ghz + easy.

But either way you got yourself a great chip. And I agree you definitely have to factor in the motherboard cost as you can score a pretty decent AMD board for around $100.
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The 2500k is actually a normal quad core so only 4 threads. Not 8 like the i7. It just has a far superior architecture to the 1090t. The other great thing about it is sandy bridge can overclock like no other. Pretty much any chip can do 4.5ghz + easy.

But either way you got yourself a great chip. And I agree you definitely have to factor in the motherboard cost as you can score a pretty decent AMD board for around $100.

You know I never even looked at the 2500K because I thought that it was below the 1090T and the 1100T. I assumed that only the i7 Sandy Bridge's would be superior. That being said I was able to get my MB for $89 with free shipping. It has 2xPCIe, up to DDR3 1800, Sata 6, USB 3, rear panel eSATA (which was a must for me), in a Full ATX setup with tons of OC options. From what I can tell to get a similarly outfitted Intel MB it would be around $129 at a minimum. Does that sound about right? Also I don't think I saw any with 2xPCIe, not sure on that one.
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Just checked the Egg and Asus is the only MB with the exact same statistics and it is $179. I systematically took away options and the price still does not come below a $100. I would not sacrifice SATA 6Gbs, USB 3.0, DDR3 1600 or above, or eSATA just to get the price right. I could give on PCIe only having one, since gamning is not my main concern.
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True, Intel motherboards are more expensive than AMD, especially for relative new Sandy Bridge.

However, 6-core AMD consumes way more power than Sandy bridge. If you look at Anandtech CPU bench link above and check power consumption, 1090T system consumes 68 Watt more than i5 2500K during x264 encode.

You can calculate impact on electrical bill, but in short term it means cheaper cooler with the same noise/temperature stats for Intel. For example, you don't need $65+ cooler to overclock to 4GHz as advised here. $40 Scythe Mugen 2 will do just fine for Sandy Bridge. Simpler case cooling too.

Another thing, in long term Intel QuickSync looks promising for video encode. But, currently there is no chipset that allow to use this and overclock at the same time, Z68 will do it in May. No free software using it so far but this will change.
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True, Intel motherboards are more expensive than AMD, especially for relative new Sandy Bridge.

However, 6-core AMD consumes way more power than Sandy bridge. If you look at Anandtech CPU bench link above and check power consumption, 1090T system consumes 68 Watt more than i5 2500K during x264 encode.

You can calculate impact on electrical bill, but in short term it means cheaper cooler with the same noise/temperature stats for Intel. For example, you don't need $65+ cooler to overclock to 4GHz as advised here. $40 Scythe Mugen 2 will do just fine for Sandy Bridge. Simpler case cooling too.

Another thing, in long term Intel QuickSync looks promising for video encode. But, currently there is no chipset that allow to use this and overclock at the same time, Z68 will do it in May. No free software using it so far but this will change.

I did see the power consumption difference and over time your E-Bill would make them cost the same. The cooler issue is the larger concern for me. I am a little put off that AMD has continually put lackluster heatsinks and fans in the box for years now. As far as I am concerned they should be packaged with something that will keep them nice and cool even at max load. Right now mine is within limits but the 6450 rpm fan speed can't equal long life of that unit. Anyone have experience with this and can attest to the stock fans longevity? It sound like it is ready to take off. Luckily I have no plans to OC right now but that fan worries me.
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Anyone have opinions about the stock fans longevity? I am encoding again right now and she is spinning at a robust 5500 rpm.
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Anyone have opinions about the stock fans longevity? I am encoding again right now and she is spinning at a robust 5500 rpm.

I'm sure it will be fine. Did you at least get the cooler with the copper heat pipes? Hyper 212 goes on sale a lot for around 20 bucks, great deal but you would have to take out your mobo to install.

I don't recommend overclocking much on that board as it only has 4+1 power phases. (I know I originally encouraged it.)
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Yes it did come with the copper heat pipe heat sink. Since I am not well schooled on the OC'ing, what is 4+1 power phases. I work in electronics and I know about multi-phased power, is it anything like that? Most of the stuff I work on is 3 phase power. My knowledge on MB and how they relate to OC'ing is definitely low. I messed around with it on my previous system and was not very successful. I know there are applications that perform a lot of the testing for you then set the system to the most stable settings, are they any good? There might even be one for this board, I think I saw something mentioned about it in the write up. I guess if I wanted to be very successfully OC'ing I would need to spend a little more on a high end MB. I guess as with anything, in about a year when I feel this machine is too slow, I will want to upgrade again. Although I am pretty happy with the performance so far, especially coming from where I was before, but that will wear off over time and the upgrade bug will creep in.
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There has been issues with AMD six cores being overclocked in 4+1 boards.
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Phases are structures on your motherboard that supply the overall power to your CPU through VRM's and MOSFET's. They are important with supplying your CPU with power, and if one were to die, the entire motherboard would most likely.

Your chip should be very easy to OC. It is a blacj edition so it has an unlocked multiplier. So you just raise the multi a little bit, and give it a little voltage. Your board will probably have some auto oc features but those normally suck. They almost always send too much voltage to the chip to over compensate to be sure it is stable.

But like you said you got plenty of cpu power there already. When you get the upgrade bug again, if you don't already have one get an SSD. You will feel it more then a new cpu.
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There has been issues with AMD six cores being overclocked in 4+1 boards.
Your chip should be very easy to OC. It is a blacj edition so it has an unlocked multiplier. So you just raise the multi a little bit, and give it a little voltage. Your board will probably have some auto oc features but those normally suck. They almost always send too much voltage to the chip to over compensate to be sure it is stable.

But like you said you got plenty of cpu power there already. When you get the upgrade bug again, if you don't already have one get an SSD. You will feel it more then a new cpu.

Got it. Is there any technique that is considered standard procedure for OC'ing as far as, increase by so many Mhz and add X amount of voltage? Or is it mostly trial and error? If you know of a great website that provides a good tutorial I would be interested in taking a look at it. As I would like to get as much out of my chip as I can eventually. Good point about the SSD, just wish they were a little cheaper. Would a SSD still help even if I were writing most files to a 2 TB 5400 rpm storage drive? I know it could give a heck of a boost to the installed software. My MB has all sorts of OC options so it won't be an issue once I understand all that I can do and the proper procedure to going about it.
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With your chip its real easy. You can start by raising the mutlti to whatever gives you say. 3.6ghz. Run prime95. If it fails or blue screens bump the voltage a little.

Heres some info
http://forum.overclock3d.net/index.p...locking-guide/

This is my favorite site heres the section for your cpu, tons of info there.
http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/

SSD will help your os and overall pc experience be much faster. You can get a big enough one for ~$100. For all the money people dump into pc's this is a small amount.
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Would a SSD still help even if I were writing most files to a 2 TB 5400 rpm storage drive?

Not really. SSDs are for snappy user experience, faster program startup, etc.

If you have 5400 rpm drive what would probably help is a second hard drive. One for input files another one for output. This way HDD doesn't have to do extra seeks. This is true if HDD is your bottleneck, and not CPU (which is probably true with 6-core).
And if you mostly encode from DVD drive disregard this.

6450 rpm fan must be loud. It probably will work but Hyper 212+ advised here is a very good cooler, it will just make things quieter. Being on sale for $23 at J&R right now it is a good buy (shipping fees are high, but it's still OK, or you may find better deal somewhere else later).
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Is there any technique that is considered standard procedure for OC'ing as far as, increase by so many Mhz and add X amount of voltage?...

Try raising CPU speed without increasing voltage first. I don't have any experience with recent AMD CPUs but my Core 2s can overclock from 2.83 to 3.4GHz and from 3.0 to 3.6 without any voltage change.

It's a general rule is that increasing voltage is needed to overcome stability problems. You run Prime 95 for couple of hours, if all things work there is no need for voltage increase. If there are sudden crashes then need to ether increase voltage or reduce CPU speed.
Everything else is in the guides.
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Not really. SSDs are for snappy user experience, faster program startup, etc.

If you have 5400 rpm drive what would probably help is a second hard drive. One for input files another one for output. This way HDD doesn't have to do extra seeks. This is true if HDD is your bottleneck, and not CPU (which is probably true with 6-core).
And if you mostly encode from DVD drive disregard this.

6450 rpm fan must be loud. It probably will work but Hyper 212+ advised here is a very good cooler, it will just make things quieter. Being on sale for $23 at J&R right now it is a good buy (shipping fees are high, but it's still OK, or you may find better deal somewhere else later).

I use 2 HD's now one 500 GB 7200 rpm and the other 2 TB 5400 rpm. I have sort of got the fan under control. Went into the BIOS and lowered the fan speed rating and now it goes to about 4700 but still keep the temp's in the same range as it did when it was 6000+. Yes it was loud, like a jet turbine.
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I have sort of got the fan under control. Went into the BIOS and lowered the fan speed rating and now it goes to about 4700 but still keep the temp's in the same range as it did when it was 6000+. Yes it was loud, like a jet turbine.

1. Use a large heatsink/fan(120mm) as that will run at rpm of 800 to max of 2000 rpm. In my home machines I use Cooler Master; both C.M. Hyper 212+ (requires case that is at least 8.0 inch thick, as fan sits tall), or C.M. GeminII S which sits flat so can be used with a less thick case. Both usually require mobo to be removed in order to install the heatsink/fan. Of the two I like Hyper 212+ best. Check both newegg and amazon on price before buying anything.

These aftermarket coolers offer both better cooling and especially lower noise, over the stock sink/fan.

2. I see that the AMD 1090T is a 6 core black edition. Go easy at overclocking as the 6 core AMD Phenom II is specked at 125 watt power draw, which is max for many mid priced AMD mobo.

3. With regard to lower energy draw of recent Intel cpu's. my one thought is that the price premium that one pays for Intel cpu's will buy a *lot* of electricity.

OTOH, I see that Intel seems to be winning the battle cox 3 months ago newegg showed roughly an equal number of AMD and Intel desktop cpu's, whereas just now the count is AMD 28 vs Intel 52.

4. FWIW, I use AMD Phenom II 3 and 4 core cpu (all back edition), and am happy with them.

Cheers
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