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post #511 of 606
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Originally Posted by jeannie72 View Post

Thank you for trying! The judder is the single thing I dislike about this tv.
I know I could turn off the Auto Motion Plus but I really like it, and would rather put up with the occasional judder than do without.
My gut feeling though is that the processor isn't powerful enough to "keep up" or else it would already have been fixed. If Samsung actually fixed this, however, they will have earned my loyalty.
I've tried to lower the AMP setting, but all that does is lessen the benefits of the interpolation while the judder never completely disappears.
-J
By the way, can someone tell me what the deal with the previously released updated firmware is?? Why wouldn't Samsung keep it on their site?

I hear ya. I have the exact same problem. It's just terrible with it completely off and custom still has it too. So I rotate from standard to clear when watching film based material and turn completely off when watching tv shows unless it doesn't experience judder then I just leave it on. I hope they resolve it but I doubt it. I'm ok with it as this is just a "get me by" tv until I get the Sony HX850 later this year.
I do keep sending them emails everyday about this issue.
post #512 of 606
I still love the overall aesthetics and PQ of this tv but after having it a few weeks now I'm a bit disapointed with the motion resolution. I'm about 85% on the verge of returning it for something with better motion. I just purchased Indiana Jones (Complete Set) on blu-ray and I'm actually hesitant to watch it due the poor motion on this set.
post #513 of 606
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

I still love the overall aesthetics and PQ of this tv but after having it a few weeks now I'm a bit disapointed with the motion resolution. I'm about 85% on the verge of returning it for something with better motion. I just purchased Indiana Jones (Complete Set) on blu-ray and I'm actually hesitant to watch it due the poor motion on this set.

Get the UN46D6900 while you still can.......

That's what I did......
post #514 of 606
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

I still love the overall aesthetics and PQ of this tv but after having it a few weeks now I'm a bit disapointed with the motion resolution. I'm about 85% on the verge of returning it for something with better motion. I just purchased Indiana Jones (Complete Set) on blu-ray and I'm actually hesitant to watch it due the poor motion on this set.

maybe I dodged a bullet by getting the EH6000 instead... yes the blacks aren't as good but the motion is pretty solid for a 120Hz set
post #515 of 606
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Get the UN46D6900 while you still can.......
That's what I did......

I avoided that set since it's only edge-lit, which is makes it far too prone to flashlighting, clouding, and bright spots (at least in theory). How uniform is an all black screen on your set? What kind of panel version is it?
post #516 of 606
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

I still love the overall aesthetics and PQ of this tv but after having it a few weeks now I'm a bit disapointed with the motion resolution. I'm about 85% on the verge of returning it for something with better motion. I just purchased Indiana Jones (Complete Set) on blu-ray and I'm actually hesitant to watch it due the poor motion on this set.

also, have you tried Custom mode with BR set to max and JR set to zero (or to taste)

read this from Samsung.com:

"To adjust the Hyper Real look to your image, I would first suggest adjusting the Auto Motion Plus and LED Motion Plus options in your TV's menu. Settings are based on your personal preference, so unfortunately, I cannot provide any incite as to how to set up your TV. I can provide you with a list of what each setting does.

Auto Motion Plus Settings:
Off- Switches Auto Motion Plus off.
Clear- Provides high blur reduction, low judder reduction
Standard- Provides medium blur reductions, medium judder reduction
Smooth- Provides low blur reductions, high judder reduction.

Custom- Allows for customer user settings for blur and judder.
Demo- Displays the difference between Auto Motion Plus 120Hz on and off modes. The screen after applying “Auto Motion Plus” appears on the left.

LED Motion Plus is found under the following directions:
MENU → Picture → Advanced Settings → LED Motion Plus

Auto Motion Plus is found under the following directions:
MENU → Picture → Picture Options → Auto Motion Plus

If these options do not alleviate the issue, please contact Samsung Service.

-MrSamsung"

so if you're using smooth, you only get low BR and medium for using Standard

Clear and Custom are the best options for having the most BR (blur reduction)
post #517 of 606
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I avoided that set since it's only edge-lit, which is makes it far too prone to flashlighting, clouding, and bright spots (at least in theory). How uniform is an all black screen on your set? What kind of panel version is it?

I have the SQ01 Panel. All black screen is not very good. Slight flashlighting in bottom-left, more pronounced flashlighting in bottom-right, and a few splotches of light in the left-center of the screen. I know it sounds like a piece of **** the way I described it but it's actually not that bad and rarely shows up on regular material. The bottom-right does show up alot, especially in letterbox, but it's not something I really notice and doesn't take away from the overall picture. The EH6000 is a very good set but I didn't care for the PQ, mainly the colors were not as accurate for my taste. (My Tivo Guide did not look the way it was supposed to on the EH6000, blues looked more on the side of purple) It's spot-on the D630. Motion is my only complaint.
Edited by Justin Sullins - 10/9/12 at 8:44am
post #518 of 606
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Get the UN46D6900 while you still can.......
That's what I did......

I was very interested in the d6900 earlier in the summer but alot complained of bad flashlighting and overall bad uniformity. How's yours? Probably doesn't matter much as I just checked Best Buy, Sam's Club, Costco, and Sears Websites and none available. Kind of limited on what I have to spend. Paid $659 for the D630. I originally had $1200 but our washing machine broke so half went to the TV and the other half went to washer. Wife won that battle.
post #519 of 606
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

I have the SQ01 Panel. All black screen is not very good. Slight flashlighting in bottom-left, more pronounced flashlighting in bottom-right, and a few splotches of light in the left-center of the screen. I know it sounds like a piece of **** the way I described it but it's actually not that bad and rarely shows up on regular material. The bottom-right does show up alot, especially in letterbox, but it's not something I really notice and doesn't take away from the overall picture. The EH6000 is a very good set but I didn't care for the PQ, mainly the colors were not as accurate for my taste. (My Tivo Guide did not look the way it was supposed to on the EH6000, blues looked more on the side of purple) It's spot-on the D630. Motion is my only complaint.

After I calibrated mine, the colors were much, much better. The blue primary is still violet-purple in hue and magenta is somewhat blue but grays and whites are perfectly neutral (perfect grayscale from 20% gray to 100% white). You can take a look at my calibration here.

The only thing else that is violet is the blacks, but it's not really worse than other LCD TVs I've owned before, especially since the blacks are quite dark.
post #520 of 606
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I avoided that set since it's only edge-lit, which is makes it far too prone to flashlighting, clouding, and bright spots (at least in theory). How uniform is an all black screen on your set? What kind of panel version is it?

H302 , Its has minimum flashlighting - only in 3D mode. No clouds or bright spots. The screen is very uniform - for an edge lit- LED.

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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

I was very interested in the d6900 earlier in the summer but alot complained of bad flashlighting and overall bad uniformity. How's yours? Probably doesn't matter much as I just checked Best Buy, Sam's Club, Costco, and Sears Websites and none available. Kind of limited on what I have to spend. Paid $659 for the D630. I originally had $1200 but our washing machine broke so half went to the TV and the other half went to washer. Wife won that battle.

Good Uniformity- for an edge-lit LED - looks different than the LCD Samsung A850 its replacing - not better or worse, just different.
post #521 of 606
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

H302 , Its has minimum flashlighting - only in 3D mode. No clouds or bright spots. The screen is very uniform - for an edge lit- LED.
Good Uniformity- for an edge-lit LED - looks different than the LCD Samsung A850 its replacing - not better or worse, just different.

Interesting, you have a Sharp panel. Is the build date this year?
post #522 of 606
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

Interesting, you have a Sharp panel. Is the build date this year?

December 2011
post #523 of 606
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

Interesting, you have a Sharp panel. Is the build date this year?

I thought the H301, H302 and H303 panels were made by Samsung.

I may have any of those as my panel was replaced (H302 was the original).

Is there a way to tell the panel type in the Menu?
post #524 of 606
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

I thought the H301, H302 and H303 panels were made by Samsung.
I may have any of those as my panel was replaced (H302 was the original).
Is there a way to tell the panel type in the Menu?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406151/the-official-2012-samsung-eh4000-eh5000-eh5300-owners-thread/240#post_22332784
post #525 of 606

That "H" is a service menu code...."A" means Samsung in the menu.

S and H on the box or HDTV label is a Samsung panel.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1294904/samsung-panel-version-thread#post_19580198
post #526 of 606
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406151/the-official-2012-samsung-eh4000-eh5000-eh5300-owners-thread/330#post_22372150

"Cxxx/Bxxx = Chei Mei (S-MVA)
Axxx = AUO Optronics (A-MVA)
Hxxx = Sharp (ASV)
Txxx = Samsung (S-PVA)"

Actually, H means Sharp panel in both the service menu and on the white sticker on the back or side of the TV (at least for 2012 models). What letter do you have in the SM?
post #527 of 606
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406151/the-official-2012-samsung-eh4000-eh5000-eh5300-owners-thread/330#post_22372150
"Cxxx/Bxxx = Chei Mei (S-MVA)
Axxx = AUO Optronics (A-MVA)
Hxxx = Sharp (ASV)
Txxx = Samsung (S-PVA)"
Actually, H means Sharp panel in both the service menu and on the white sticker on the back or side of the TV (at least for 2012 models). What letter do you have in the SM?

I'm staying out of the service menu....I have a 2011 "H" is code for Samsung 3D panel.

"S" of 'H" on the box is Samsung....
post #528 of 606
From Digital Versus:

http://www.digitalversus.com/panel-switching-samsung-tvs-we-know-so-far-n15170.html

•A = AU Optronics (AUO) A-MVA
•B = Chi Lin Technology (CLT)
•C = Chi Mei Optoelectronics (CMO)
•I = LG Display IPS (LGD)
•P = Chunghwa Picture Tubes (CPT)
•S = Samsung S-PVA (S-LCD)
•H = Samsung S-PVA (3D)
•Q = IPS Alpha Technology LTD (Hitachi & Panasonic) IPS Alpha/IPS Pro
post #529 of 606
I'm on week 3 now. 1 week left on my return window but honestly after watching everything on clear (movies, tv-shows, news, and sports) I think I might have found the happy medium. It doesn't judder anymore but does seem to "vibrate" some of the images during fast-paced motion or slow panning. I can live with that more than the judder and I really don't notice the vibrating images all that often anyway, or at least it doesn't bother me if I do notice.
post #530 of 606
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

I'm on week 3 now. 1 week left on my return window but honestly after watching everything on clear (movies, tv-shows, news, and sports) I think I might have found the happy medium. It doesn't judder anymore but does seem to "vibrate" some of the images during fast-paced motion or slow panning. I can live with that more than the judder and I really don't notice the vibrating images all that often anyway, or at least it doesn't bother me if I do notice.

This was the best solution I found, too.
post #531 of 606
"Auto Motion Plus Settings:
Off- Switches Auto Motion Plus off.
Clear- Provides high blur reduction, low judder reduction
Standard- Provides medium blur reductions, medium judder reduction
Smooth- Provides low blur reductions, high judder reduction.

Custom- Allows for customer user settings for blur and judder."

From Samsung.com

Clear offers the highest level of BR short of Custom. Smooth offers the least and Standard is in the middle. Also, I think Standard/Smooth are broken on the D630 and probably Custom too (dropped/skipped frames and stuttering).
post #532 of 606
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

"Auto Motion Plus Settings:
Off- Switches Auto Motion Plus off.
Clear- Provides high blur reduction, low judder reduction
Standard- Provides medium blur reductions, medium judder reduction
Smooth- Provides low blur reductions, high judder reduction.

Custom- Allows for customer user settings for blur and judder."
From Samsung.com
Clear offers the highest level of BR short of Custom. Smooth offers the least and Standard is in the middle. Also, I think Standard/Smooth are broken on the D630 and probably Custom too (dropped/skipped frames and stuttering).

I think it's broken as well. Smooth adds the S.O.E. on most content except live sports and news but it judders/stutters like crazy. Clear is the winner if you want to have a normal viewing experience with no issues but credits and sports/news tickers stutter with it on clear. Off doesn't seem to fix anything. It's amazing that Samsung let this tv go knowing that the AMP doesn't work.
I've sent msgs about it to Samsung but I doubt it ever gets resolved via firmware.
post #533 of 606
What is the motion resolution like on blu-ray movies (60/24hz) on Clear? I realize this is kind of a silly question since I can try it out myself but I haven't got around to doing it yet?
post #534 of 606
Why would you want to apply artificial enhancements to a blu-ray movie? Just play it at 24p and enjoy the 5:5.
post #535 of 606
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

Why would you want to apply artificial enhancements to a blu-ray movie? Just play it at 24p and enjoy the 5:5.

Some movies are in 1080/60p and 1080/24p. I'm not too concerned with with 60p as everything on regular tv (HBO, Showtime, AMC, etc...) is in 1080/60i and has good motion with no judder. I was merely curious to see if anyone with the D630 had juddering issues while watching blu-ray movies with the AMP on "clear."
post #536 of 606
Ok. If you try it, let us know you think.
post #537 of 606
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

Why would you want to apply artificial enhancements to a blu-ray movie? Just play it at 24p and enjoy the 5:5.

blur reduction modes like Clear (preset with high levels of blur reduction and low levels of judder reduction) and Custom (user mode for setting blur and judder reduction each on a scale of 0 to 10, BR 10 and JR 0 gives you full motion resolution and no SOE and eliminates 2:3 pulldown judder, which Off and Clear don't

Custom, however, is broken on the D630 (and also on my EH6000 for non 1080/24p sources). Clear works on both sets and should give much better motion resolution than Off (though 2:3 pulldown will still occur with 1080/24p sources, like with Off).
post #538 of 606
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

What is the motion resolution like on blu-ray movies (60/24hz) on Clear? I realize this is kind of a silly question since I can try it out myself but I haven't got around to doing it yet?

you can test various AMP modes/settings with the video clips on this DVD or BD burnable disc: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406352/gcd-gamut-calibration-disk

there is one for 24fps sources (movies)

another for 30 fps sources (all other video like TV shows)
post #539 of 606
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

you can test various AMP modes/settings with the video clips on this DVD or BD burnable disc: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406352/gcd-gamut-calibration-disk
there is one for 24fps sources (movies)
another for 30 fps sources (all other video like TV shows)

Would it typically be better to leave the 24p playback option "OFF" on my PS3 for watching blu-ray movies? Which would be better for less or no judder with the busted AMP settings on the D630?
post #540 of 606
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

Would it typically be better to leave the 24p playback option "OFF" on my PS3 for watching blu-ray movies? Which would be better for less or no judder with the busted AMP settings on the D630?

I leave it "ON" for my EH6000, since Custom works for me when watching BD movies. I use Clear for everything else. In your case, use Clear on the TV and whether you leave 24p on or off on the PS3 is trivial since 2:3 pulldown will occur either way.

24p ON lets the TV do 2:3 pulldown

24p OFF lets the PS3 do it instead
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