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post #31 of 124
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Update-

Well, I tried to upload to YouTube and the YT "processing they did wrecked the file PQ so I pulled it down. Tried again using the same settings as I did before and once again the YT processing caused the image to jump vertically like it lost sync. I'm trying again.

Another YT problem I saw last night was the tags I put in won't save to the upload and I had to let it go live, process, and then go back in and add the 3D tags later. I think the YT engineers are messing with the process at their end because things keep changing.

One setting that doesn't work at all is the *.m2ts render. The results are terrible when YT gets done. So far the wmv in SBS half res seems to yield the highest PQ so I'm sticking with that for my upload file format. Open to any suggestions for this.
post #32 of 124
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqGOBAsd0jA here is a cool video i did i went near the ground at the end got a cool effect.
post #33 of 124
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OK- Here is the debugged edit of Bloggie3D video in Vegas 10d.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIzx33Y7OvI

I finally figured out how to fix the unstable video.
post #34 of 124
Here is some 3D footage shot with my Bloggie at the Marine Corps Air Station New River air show in Jacksonville NC on May 14, 2011:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTwCVx3gqFs

Constructive comments (espeicially from pros like Don Landis) would be most appreciated!
post #35 of 124
"Here is some 3D footage shot with my Bloggie at the Marine Corps Air Station New River air show in Jacksonville NC on May 14, 2011:"


It looks like you have the wrong settings for YouTube 3D: the red and cyan are reversed (I am watching in anaglyph). To check, put your red/cyan glasses on upside down. When I do that the 3D effect is much stronger. This is a common Youtube problem. The tag you need to reverse - yt3d:swap=true. Try it.

On content: the ideal shooting distance for 3D effects is 3-16 feet. Your long shots of planes flying and taking off thus have little 3D effect. This is a standard limitation of cameras with a fixed interaxial distance that is narrow.
post #36 of 124
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Nice steady camera work there with that Bloggie3D. You did good!

Suggestion-Agree with Mark add this tag to your video and people will get a better 3D experience:

yt3d:swap=true
post #37 of 124
Yes, good steady hand.
post #38 of 124
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It looks like you have the wrong settings for YouTube 3D: the red and cyan are reversed (I am watching in anaglyph). To check, put your red/cyan glasses on upside down. When I do that the 3D effect is much stronger. This is a common Youtube problem. The tag you need to reverse - yt3d:swap=true. Try it.

On content: the ideal shooting distance for 3D effects is 3-16 feet. Your long shots of planes flying and taking off thus have little 3D effect. This is a standard limitation of cameras with a fixed interaxial distance that is narrow.

Thanks for the suggestions Mark and Don...I just fixed the tag that you mentioned. Yes I was aware of the 3-16 feet rule for shooting with this camera...that long distance shot of the Harrier taking off at the end of the clip should have been edited out. One thing that frustrates me about this cam is the lack of ability to zoom in 3D mode. One has to strike a balance between getting close enough for the desired 3D effect while keeping the object you are shooting in full frame. Obviously difficult when framing objects as large as planes!

I just placed an order for an inexpensive tripod with a 3-way pan head which should improve my results with this camera in the future. Thanks for the comments about my "steady hand" but I do agree with what Don said earlier in the thread about the need for using a tripod with this camera for best results.
post #39 of 124
"new bloggie 3d video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqGOBAsd0jA here is a cool video i did i went near the ground at the end got a cool effect."

This one is also reversed. Add yt3d:swap=true.
post #40 of 124
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In my Caidan pool video I intentionally left in both hand held and shots with the little $7 tripod to show how good video looks in 3D when the camera is locked down.

I think the 3D rendering of depth looks very good, even beyond 15 ft. The statement that this is a limit is out of textbook I'm afraid and not actual practice. What I see with the Bloggie3D, and your stuff confirms it. as long as your content has something close up you can still get the magic of the stereo illusion. If all you see is a plane 500 yards away then no, 3D is gone. What I found is lowering the camera close to the ground and shooting distant stuff 100ft gives a good effect.

FWIW, I found the tiny tripod ideal for the Bloggie3D and I can carry both in my pocket throughout the day, ready to grab a shot as the mood strikes. Can't do that with the HDR TD10.
post #41 of 124
"OK- Here is the debugged edit of Bloggie3D video in Vegas 10d.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIzx33Y7OvI

I finally figured out how to fix the unstable video."

Great video. This and others convinced me to try the Bloggie 3D.
post #42 of 124
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Nice steady camera work there with that Bloggie3D. You did good!

Thanks man! Hey I think you mentioned in another thread that you had found some kind of hood that works well with the Bloggie? If you have time could you provide a source for that? I had a helluva time seeing anything on the LCD screen of my Bloggie while shooting in the bright sunlight yesterday...
post #43 of 124
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Hoodman is the company. They make a loupe version and a simple hood. Trouble is the loupe being a monocular doesn't work on the 3D screen. The simple hood is low cost and works well as long as you don't need to look through it aimed down. You'll see.

There is no easy cheap solution to this problem. Even with the TD 10 and a Hoodman on the screen I had trouble on today's shoot. The TD10 is 10 times as sharp and bright as the JVC camcorder. That one is more like the Bloggie so I feel for those guys.
The good thing is these camcorders including the Bloggie 3D are quite forgiving. Look how great your stuff turned out and you couldn't see the screen. For the pool work I didn't even bother except to see if the damn Bloggie was recording or not.
post #44 of 124
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Hoodman is the company. They make a loupe version and a simple hood. Trouble is the loupe being a monocular doesn't work on the 3D screen. The simple hood is low cost and works well as long as you don't need to look through it aimed down. You'll see.

There is no easy cheap solution to this problem. Even with the TD 10 and a Hoodman on the screen I had trouble on today's shoot. The TD10 is 10 times as sharp and bright as the JVC camcorder. That one is more like the Bloggie so I feel for those guys.
The good thing is these camcorders including the Bloggie 3D are quite forgiving. Look how great your stuff turned out and you couldn't see the screen. For the pool work I didn't even bother except to see if the damn Bloggie was recording or not.

Thanks for the info. It occurred to me after I posted that perhaps a better solution to this problem is an antiglare LCD screen protector film. A company called NuShield markets one specifically designed for reducing daytime sunlight glare on camcorder LCD viewfinders. The Sony one is here:

http://www.nushield.com/manufacturer...turerid=Sony++

I ordered a couple of cut-to-fit sheets for $15 and will let you all know how it works when it arrives.
post #45 of 124
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I tried them on my laptop once for use outdoors and it didn't work at all but maybe new technology in this area has improved. Let us know if you get success. Remember it also has to pass capacitive touch test.
post #46 of 124
Those of you who don't have a machine shop like Don Landis (or who are just plain lazy like myself ) might want to consider the Vista Traveler Tripod for your 3D Bloggie:




It's lightweight and has a 3-way pan head that accommodates the Bloggie's unusual tripod screw hole position and even comes with a nice bonus carrying bag. $14 from the well known online shopping site that starts with an "A".
post #47 of 124
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post
I tried them on my laptop once for use outdoors and it didn't work at all but maybe new technology in this area has improved. Let us know if you get success. Remember it also has to pass capacitive touch test.
Well I got my 2 NuShield protective LCD screen sheets in Thursday and installed one on my 3D Bloggie and the other one on my old Sony HDR-HC3 HD camcorder. The sheets come with plastic backing on both sides of the sheet, one clear and the other one a light tan color. The sheets also ship with templates so that you can cut the sheets to the required size of your camcorder's LCD screen as well as cleaning cloths for cleaning your LCD screen prior to application of the protective sheets. The installation procedure involves first peeling off the clear plastic backing and applying the exposed sheet to the LCD screen, followed by smoothing out of any bubbles that may be trapped between the screen and the newly applied protective sheet. Once the bubbles are gone you then peel off the tan plastic backing to complete the process.

The disappointing news is that the product doesn't really improve one's ability to see the LCD screen in sunllight all that much. There was *some* improvement on the Bloggie to the point that I can now comfortably use the LCD screen in bright sunlight to at least see what I am shooting, but the improvement was not as dramatic as I was hoping for (on a scale of 1 to 10 I would rate the improvement a 5; a 10 would have been the LCD image looking as bright as it appears indoors). One interesting thing I noted was that after applying the protective sheet the I can now see 3D effects on the LCD screen better than before! On the HDR-HC3 cam I really saw no improvement at all in LCD viewing but the sheet also did not degrade the image either. The HDR-HC3 has a touch screen LCD and the touch functions worked fine after application of the protective sheet.

So bottom line: I really can't recommend this product (especially at a price of $15 for 2 small sheets) for its intended purpose. I plan on keeping the sheets on both of my cams for protection against scratches.
post #48 of 124
Three add-ons to the Bloggie.

1. There is no removeable battery, so what do you do for extra juice in the field? Bring along a light, small lithium-ion battery that connects by usb:



2. Holding steady this really, small, really light camera is very difficult. An ad-hoc shoulder rig can be made from a small tripod:



You extend fully one leg only, which rests on the shoulder. The other two legs go up against your body or, optionally are used as dual handles.

3. Someone else has used a viewfinder attachment to help see the lcd screen in bright sunlight:




Link to Youtube 3D video - experiment with shoulder brace:

http://youtu.be/5xhCTb0gZGY?hd=1
post #49 of 124
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The viewfinder attachments only works for 2D shooting. Can't use single eye for the 3D screen.

I have used it on my TD10 where you can shoot in 3D and put the monitor screen in 2D viewing. My only complaint is it is difficult to handle. While less effective for light, I discovered in the field, I preferred the simple Hoodman. Sorry I bought the viewer. Seemed like a good idea in theory but not in practice.

Hoodman or the viewer on the Bloggie makes it hard to use at different shooting angles and the mounting of the Hoodman can block one of the lenses.
post #50 of 124
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I bought a GoPro Suction cup mount for the Bloggie3D and this allows me to fix the camera in many unusual places.
LL
post #51 of 124
Wow! I want to see the 3D video using that.
post #52 of 124
Here are two, in mono and anaglyphic stereo:









I will post on Youtube soon a carousel ride video in 3D - you watch others ride, and then we ride.
post #53 of 124
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Nice! I like that Carousel 3D shot is very clean.

I had a clip of the test run on the road at 40 mph but can't seem to find it now. I think I accidentally deleted it.

I do another, maybe tomorrow if I remember. The funny part is the video makes my wheels look like they are spinning backwards.
post #54 of 124
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

The viewfinder attachments only works for 2D shooting. Can't use single eye for the 3D screen.

Don could you elaborate on this comment? I thought you were in the majority opinion that the Bloggie LCD screen was worthless for 3D viewing as well as shooting. Why couldn't you use the viewfinder attachment with a single eye to at least get some idea of what you are aiming the camera at (i.e. glare reduction)....in my experience not only is the Bloggie LCD screen worthless for 3D effects but in 3D mode it is also noticeably dimmer than 2D mode, especially in bright sunlight.

Also what do those viewfinder attachments typically cost? The ones I see on B&H are very pricey...is there a low cost option if you just want something to use for rough aiming and glare reduction purposes?
post #55 of 124
"The funny part is the video makes my wheels look like they are spinning backwards."

This is known as 'aliasing'. The Bloggie is taking 30 representations of the tire per second, like sampling a wave. If the tire did a complete rotation at an exact multiple of 30 times a second, the tires would appear to not rotate at all. Past that rate, rotation appears to be backwards. This can occur at any frame rate, 24fps, 60fps.
post #56 of 124
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Rick- The viewfinder is about $70 as I recall spending. The main problem I have with it is how you have to use it. Often with my TD10 I can angle the screen in different directions to see it. The viewfinder and Bloggie must be used in a line of sight all the time and this is uisually not how I would use the Bloggie. For example, mounted on a small tripod low to the ground, What would I need to do? Lie down on the ground to get my head and eye 5 " to look horizontal? Do you shoot every shot horizontal? I don't so it has little use. In addition, the quality of the Bloggie screen, similar to the JVC TD1 is very low resolution and brightness compared to the Sony TD10 so basically, I'm happy to just use the Bloggie3D pointing in the general direction.

My statement specifically was meant to point out that for 3D viewing the viewfinder only allows one eye and that is a known conflict. BTW- the big cameras have binocular 3D viewers for the screen. They are over $200 but permit 3D viewing.
post #57 of 124
Lighthouse Point antique carousel. First we watch others ride, then we get on.

The sound on the original is much better than through Youtube; quite good. And the carousel makes a big, rich sound.

http://youtu.be/ul5uDpx_Tuc?hd=1
post #58 of 124
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

Lighthouse Point antique carousel. First we watch others ride, then we get on.

The sound on the original is much better than through Youtube; quite good. And the carousel makes a big, rich sound.

http://youtu.be/ul5uDpx_Tuc?hd=1

You are doing amazing work with holding that Bloggie steady. Were you sitting on the bench at any point? I don't believe you were also riding up and down.

I'm thinking of making a clamp with gooseneck for times like your carousel ride so the Bloggie can be clamped to the moving object. Like a roller coaster ride, clamp it to the car as opposed to holding it. What do you think?
post #59 of 124
For the shots looking at the ride I used a fence to hold my arms steady, but still handheld as I wanted to get as close as possible, and stay behind the fence, to facilitate the 3D by extending my arms (elbows on fence).

On the ride - yes, I was on a horse going up and down holding the camera in my hand. The backwards shot on the horse used one hand! I had a choice of a stationary horse, and thought it would be more interesting to be on one with motion. I am learning how to hold the thing steady - this video made no use of shoulder mounts or tripod.

A clamp would be exactly the right thing to really be steady. Actually, one of those joby gorillapods would do it - you can wrap the legs around anything and they they have a head that would accomodate the strange placement of the Bloggie tripod hole. I have one, and should have thought of using it as you suggest (I am not sure they would have let me). It can also be used as a tripod and a pistol grip.

I am amazed at the quality of the Bloggie. In particular, it does not overexpose in bright light like almost all my Sony cameras (not that we could do anything about it with the Bloggie).

I still think your Bloggie pool video with child is the best anaglyph example of a 3D video I have seen. It is no surprise - bright light, blue and yellow, within the 3-16 foot-window and actual action! And no overexposure or blown highlights.

Stay tuned for the 3D beach video - you would think that would lead to overexposure and it does not. I am shooting with 3D in mind, and anaglyph for color.
post #60 of 124
Here is a picture of the gorillapod in use with the Bloggie.
LL
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