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post #61 of 124
5/29/11 at 9:51am
Shot with the constraints of the camera and anaglyph in mind, to ensure that a 3D perspective is consistent across shots and that color makes it through the anaglyph conversion.

http://youtu.be/mRZHmNKlgLI?hd=1
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post #62 of 124
5/29/11 at 9:52am
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(I am not sure they would have let me)

Field production rules I have learned over the years-
It's easier to say "I'm sorry, I didn't know, and won't do it again, then to ask- May I do this or that with my camera?
Likewise, it is easier for the person in charge to simply say "No!" than to say OK and risk some imagined liability.

Of course you don't lean on a sign that says No Cameras, violators will be sued and or prosecuted for trespassing.


I have something similar to that gorillapod but it has a very heavy duty clamp at one end. I used it to mount a French Flag to my big camera. I should dig it out and see what sort of Bloggie mount I can rig up.
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post #63 of 124
5/29/11 at 10:09am
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

Shot with the constraints of the camera and anaglyph in mind, to ensure that a 3D perspective is consistent across shots and that color makes it through the anaglyph conversion.

http://youtu.be/mRZHmNKlgLI?hd=1

Looked good for most all the scenes. Comment on what I saw that didn't work- The Beach with the colored umbrella. The yellow triangles especially were not well defined but the entire umbrella was 3D annoying. It's definition just fell apart. Your thoughts? Other bright yellows in the video came out fine.

Suggestion for your titles- When you create a title, it will appear as 2D in your video unless you add the 3D stereoscopic effect as an event effect. When you do this, pull the title out in front of the screen. It is the first slider and I recall you pull it to the left. This allows the title to float over all forward objects in the video so they don't collide. BTW- you can also animate your titles in the 3D space by setting keyframes in the stereoscopic effect, a more advanced editing trick.
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post #64 of 124
5/29/11 at 10:18am
Thanks Don, very helpful as always.

You can see the original beach umbrella color in the 2D photo above - the umbrella has a bright red stripe at its outer edge. I think that that red and anaglyph, which uses red as you know to achieve depth, is poison. And maybe yellow next to green. Actually this is something we can test.

Viewed via shutter glasses in full color, the umbrella looks fine in 3D, which is why I stubbornly included the shot despite the anaglyph problems (I like the rainbow color and the composition and 3D in the shot).

And I am still amazed that there is almost no blown highlights in what has to be the most contrasty shooting conditions.
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post #65 of 124
5/29/11 at 11:03am
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Viewed via shutter glasses in full color, the umbrella looks fine in 3D,

No doubt. Selfish reason but it is a prime example of wanting to get a real 3D monitor here for my edit room. This anaglyph is getting old real fast!
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post #66 of 124
6/1/11 at 7:28pm
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...der-Review.htm
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post #67 of 124
6/1/11 at 7:34pm
"...a prime example of wanting to get a real 3D monitor here for my edit room"

We recently got the Vizio 32" 1080p 3D HDTV. It can be used as a monitor and/or TV. It is only $500 at Walmart (!). Passive, comes with two sets of glasses, the cheap kind you get at theatres for free. The Bloggie 3D videos in full screen, full color are great to see compared with anaglyph (played via usb from Sony bluray). As a bonus, wifi is built-in and you can stream 3D full-length movies. And makes the many firmware updates easy and automatic.

Multiple HDMI ports, so can be used simultaneously as monitor and bluray viewer.
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post #68 of 124
6/2/11 at 6:11am
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"...a prime example of wanting to get a real 3D monitor here for my edit room"

We recently got the Vizio 32" 1080p 3D HDTV. It can be used as a monitor and/or TV. It is only $500 at Walmart (!). Passive, comes with two sets of glasses, the cheap kind you get at theatres for free. The Bloggie 3D videos in full screen, full color are great to see compared with anaglyph (played via usb from Sony bluray). As a bonus, wifi is built-in and you can stream 3D full-length movies. And makes the many firmware updates easy and automatic.

Multiple HDMI ports, so can be used simultaneously as monitor and bluray viewer.

Mark I need to check into that. I had been looking at the Toshiba 32". But it is $900. $500 I could get that next week!

What don't you like about it? I can't squeeze anything bigger than 32" in my edit room. I'd really prefer 24". I'm thinking the smaller size will be less of an issue with the half resolution that comes with the passive panels.
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post #69 of 124
6/2/11 at 6:30am
The main limitation is the size - you need to be about 5 feet away for the proper 3D effect on a 32" screen (and lined up vertically exactly). This is not what we are used to in using monitors with anaglyph. Horizontal width is very good - you can look at the screen at an angle and still see good 3D (a passive quality). At 5 feet, you really do not notice the loss of resolution. Early indications are also that viewers prefer passive - less headaches, less ghosting. And the third dimension well makes up for any loss of resolution. I am a resolution freak (it is why I prefer the Panasonic TM900 for 2D), but I enjoy even Bloggie 3D because the 3D in a sense adds resolution.

And, for the immersion feeling from 3D, the bigger the screen the better, If the people you distribute your 3D to see it on big screens, looking at a 23" monitor may not convey what the product will look like. So, trade-off.

Vizio TV's do get good reviews; the actual panel is likely made by LG.

Oh, the actual price is $478.
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post #70 of 124
6/2/11 at 7:00pm
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Mark- got a chance to look at one at local Walmart. It was listed at the 498 price and that is not a deal breaker. What I liked is the screen was non-glare, as opposed to the Sony and Samsung. It will work well in my lighted room.
I noticed the monitor is 60 Hz. pretty low by today's standards. Is that a problem for you?
I found a place that I can mount it on the wall about 5 ft from my work station seat. (Based on your recommendation)

At Walmart they had a TV show playing and it looked OK, not spectacular. No demo of the 3D capability. Tomorrow I want to hit a couple more Walmarts in the area to see if any demo the 3D. The 2D picture had a picture clearly better than out Kitchen HDTV which is just a cheap $160 TV.
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post #71 of 124
6/3/11 at 3:28am
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Vizio-E3D320VX/15992329

$478 price: order on line, pick up at store (same day if in stock).

For 3D store demo (unlikely to be able to do this well as vertical angle must be correct): if the TV is not connected to a 3D player but the TV wifi is working you can play from the TV 3D HD streaming excerpts (free) from 3D movies using Vudu (all built into the TV). In fact the remote has a Vudu button. Of course, these are 1/2 frame sbs. Just bring your own theater 3D glasses.

Best bet, if no-cost return is possible, is to audition at home in the correct light with your material. That is an advantage of getting the TV from a local store.
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post #72 of 124
6/3/11 at 6:44am
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Great tips! I have seen LG Passive demos at Best Buy and find the quality satisfactory for my edit room purpose. Just haven't seen this model. The tip on ordering online is good as it will eat into that sales tax bite somewhat. Thanks! I need to buy a wall mount too. I may build a shelf which will cost much less than those high priced metal arms.
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post #73 of 124
6/3/11 at 8:31pm
Just watched Drive Angry on the Vizio in streaming HD 3D for a dollar. No ghosting, lots of ducking on our part. It worked really well. Optimal distance seemed to be 4 feet.
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post #74 of 124
6/3/11 at 11:42pm
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I ordered the monitor per your recommendation yesterday. Took them a half hour and it showed up on my CC but never got a "come pick it up" e-mail. The store is just a half mile from me so Saturday AM I'll go there and see what the deal is. Found several low cost swival arms for mounting that were cheaper than the shelf materials. Prices for these wall mounts have come way down since I last looked. I'll need to purchase a longer DVI to HDMI cable I think and then I'll be in business.

What resource did you find Drive Angry for a dollar? I had it sent to me on BD 3D from Amazon so I paid the big bucks!

I can't get over how the prices for 3D have come down in the past 3 months. When Walmart carries as many models as they do, Bloggie3D selling for $250, and there are still people on this forum who are debating if 3D will ever come down in price? I think those people are still debating if cell phones will ever catch on. The Vizio monitor we bought will probably be 120Hz and sell for $175 in another 3 months.
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post #75 of 124
6/4/11 at 2:14am
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I ordered the monitor per your recommendation yesterday. Took them a half hour and it showed up on my CC but never got a "come pick it up" e-mail. The store is just a half mile from me so Saturday AM I'll go there and see what the deal is. Found several low cost swival arms for mounting that were cheaper than the shelf materials. Prices for these wall mounts have come way down since I last looked. I'll need to purchase a longer DVI to HDMI cable I think and then I'll be in business.

What resource did you find Drive Angry for a dollar? I had it sent to me on BD 3D from Amazon so I paid the big bucks!

I can't get over how the prices for 3D have come down in the past 3 months. When Walmart carries as many models as they do, Bloggie3D selling for $250, and there are still people on this forum who are debating if 3D will ever come down in price? I think those people are still debating if cell phones will ever catch on. The Vizio monitor we bought will probably be 120Hz and sell for $175 in another 3 months.





crazy isnt it.
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post #76 of 124
6/4/11 at 12:29pm
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Mark- I got the Vizio monitor set up on my computer now and it looks great! It will do the job I intend for it in editing.

What did you end up with for settings. I tried several and decided the best was to set the monitor for SBS and use side by side full in Vegas. This setting gives me the best 3D effect so far. I've only looked at a project I have in progress so far, but the colors are so much more intense now that I'm no longer editing with anaglyph.

While in this mode I'm not getting any ghosting. I do find that putting on the 3D glasses I have here in the edit room (Real 3D) it takes a few seconds for the 3D to lock in. Then the Z axis and convergence pops. I'll try the glasses that comes with Vizio, still packed in the carton later. If I nod my head up and down a couple times I can speed up the process where the 3D locks in. I hadn't noticed this with other 3D demos of this polar technology before so I wonder if it has something to do with this monitor or Vegas in SBS mode? Let me know your experience with this.
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post #77 of 124
6/4/11 at 9:25pm
Don, I am glad the Vizio is working out, seems like the perfect solution to get full-color 3D at a reasonable price. I have not yet attached it to my computer - first use was to see it play 3D videos I had made (and 3D movies as examples of 3D practice).

You get a $5.99 credit for signing up in Vudu, so I used that credit to "rent" "Drive Angry" in HDX and 3D, which cost $6.99: net cost $1.00.

I will be soon connecting the Vizio to the computer for 3D editing along with my regular moniitor; I saw Vegas Pro supports two monitors, as in the webinar.

Meanwhile my TD10 has arrived. I have not had time to try it.
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post #78 of 124
6/4/11 at 9:27pm
Union Square in NYC: trains, the subway, squirrels, a contortionist, fountains, Ghandi, kids, bees, food, Andy Warhol.

Shot 3D-aware and, in part, anaglyph aware.

http://youtu.be/w0IF8HtftU4?hd=1
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post #79 of 124
6/5/11 at 7:24am
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Mark- OK looks like I've leapfrogged ahead of you on this now.

I have a spare 3D Panasonic BD Player connected and the computer via a DVI to HDMI adapter cable. The BD source looks fantastic.

I know about the Vudu credit. I was hoping to sacrifice that in exchange for connecting it to my existing account I have on my PS3. I have a number of programs I bought and would like to have them now on the Vizio. Not sure if that is possible, like it is with Netflix.

I'm going to spend more time playing with it today but tomorrow, I'll be back into editing.
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post #80 of 124
6/5/11 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

Union Square in NYC: trains, the subway, squirrels, a contortionist, fountains, Ghandi, kids, bees, food, Andy Warhol.

Shot 3D-aware and, in part, anaglyph aware.

http://youtu.be/w0IF8HtftU4?hd=1


Video looked real nice. Good color for anaglyph too. One thing you will like is eliminating all the micro shakes with the TD10 Optical stabilizer. With your basic skills in steady camera work you will soon see tripod like skills in your shooting. Nice!
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post #81 of 124
6/5/11 at 10:39am
Thanks Don. I really look for blue and yellow when I shoot 3D, to maximize anaglyph color. Bright light seems necessary too.

We just went out with the new TD10; I was eager to take advantage of two upgrades from the Bloggie: 1. As you say, the OIS. and 2. The zoom (not for zooming becauue I generaly dislike zoom shooting except for sports), but for the telephoto, keeping mind the 3D window. I am especially eager to try narrow dof 3D shots, which seemed to work in Drive Angry, and in bright sun the telephoto may be the only way to narrow the dof given the very small sensor.

I will give my first impressions over on the TD10 thread and a raw example clip from the expedition in that thread. And then I will post a real video, which I think will be interesting: nature, acoustic music, costumes, and kids.
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post #82 of 124
6/5/11 at 4:22pm
Can you use that vizio tv to view Youtube 3D directly with no other software needed ?
If yes, is it also possible to view Youtube 3D with a plasma tv that uses shutter glasses instead of passive glasses ?

In the market for a bloggie 3D and a new tv and want to be able to view Youtube 3D as easy as possible.
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post #83 of 124
6/5/11 at 6:33pm
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You Tube requires a browser and this TV does not provide any. I don't know of any TV that does. The way I'm using You Tube is to have the monitor connected to my Computer as a secondary monitor. ( nvidia card with dual monitor outputs) Next it gets very tricky, especially with 3D. First I go to You Tube and drag the browser over to the Vizio monitor. Then I start playing a 3D video after setting the You Tube to SBS mode and full screen. Now I go to the Vizio and set it to 3D SBS. It is very awkward and with the glasses on finding the right mouse cursor is tricky but I discovered it is easier if I shut one eye as the correct mouse cursor will present itself. Audio still comes from the computer speakers since the computer doesn't feed sound through the hdmi out of the video card.

I believe Frank, here, has it much easier with his monitor that does checkerboard as I believe this is the main advantage but he'll have to explain. I think his monitor can address a 3D Youtube in a window.
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post #84 of 124
6/6/11 at 8:37am
Thanks Don Landis,
I just did not think of the fact that the TV was going to have to be put in 2D or 3D mode, it's not like it would auto switch from one to the other when a 2D or 3D signal was sent to it.
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post #85 of 124
6/6/11 at 8:48am
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Thanks Don Landis,
I just did not think of the fact that the TV was going to have to be put in 2D or 3D mode, it's not like it would auto switch from one to the other when a 2D or 3D signal was sent to it.
I wish Frank would jump in and answer this for sure, but I believe ONLY checkerboard monitors can display both 3D and 2D simultaneously which is what would be required to see You Tube 3D in a browser window. Without that, you need to switch to 3D and then the 2D web browser is in a double image on the screen. Go to full screen and now you can watch You Tube 3D in all it's glory.
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post #86 of 124
6/6/11 at 10:14am
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I wish Frank would jump in and answer this for sure, but I believe ONLY checkerboard monitors can display both 3D and 2D simultaneously which is what would be required to see You Tube 3D in a browser window. Without that, you need to switch to 3D and then the 2D web browser is in a double image on the screen. Go to full screen and now you can watch You Tube 3D in all it's glory.

Checkerboard is by far the best mode but line interleaved also allows windowed 3D.
Checkerboard mode is the only mode I have used for 6 months.
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post #87 of 124
6/6/11 at 2:02pm
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Checkerboard is by far the best mode but line interleaved also allows windowed 3D.
Checkerboard mode is the only mode I have used for 6 months.
Is line interleaved another name for the format the Vizio TV is using or is line interleaved another format all together ?
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post #88 of 124
6/6/11 at 3:20pm
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The Vizio I have supports SBS Full output from my computer using secondary display from Vegas 10d.
It auto switches BLu-Ray 3D player hdmi output, hdmi output from my HDR TD10 and Bloggie 3D.
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post #89 of 124
6/6/11 at 3:38pm
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Is line interleaved another name for the format the Vizio TV is using or is line interleaved another format all together ?
Line interleaved has been around a lot longer then the Vizio.
You might want to try outputting a line interleaved video from your computer to your Vizio and see if it works.
Stereoscopic player can play in line interleaved mode.
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post #90 of 124
6/7/11 at 8:24am
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My Vizio doesn't do Line interleave! I tested all the modes I have access to.
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