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89






Studio and Year: Columbia Pictures- 2011
MPAA Rating: PG-13
Feature running time: 119 minutes
Genre: Action, Comedy


Disc Format: BD-50
Encoding: AVC (MPEG-4)
Video Aspect: 2.40:1
Resolution: 1080p/24


Audio Format(s): English, French, Portuguese DTS-HD MA 5.1, Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1
Subtitles: English, English SDH, French, Spanish, Portuguese
Starring: Jay Chou, Cameron Diaz, David Harbour, Edward James Olmos, Seth Rogen, Christoph Waltz, Tom Wilkinson
Directed by: Michel Gondry
Music by: James Newton Howard
Written by: Seth Rogen, Evan Goldberg & George W. Trendle (radio series "The Green Hornet")
Region Code: Region Free

Blu-ray Disc release Date: May 3, 2011







"The city needs our help. We could be heroes."



Film Synopsis:

Britt Reid (Seth Rogen) is a slacker by day, party animal by night... until he finds a serious career that’s seriously cool: crime-fighting action hero. As the Green Hornet, he teams up with gadget wiz and martial arts master Kato (Jay Chou) to take down LA's underworld. Even Britt’s assistant Lenore (Cameron Diaz) doesn't suspect this mismatched pair is the masked duo busting the city's toughest thugs led by Chudnofsky (Academy Award® winner Christoph Waltz, 2010, Supporting Actor, Inglourious Basterds). With style, swagger and an arsenal of awesome gear, the Green Hornet and Kato are doing justice their way, making every mission a mix of over-the-top action and outrageous comedy.




Lee's Take:

I went into 'The Green Hornet' with low expectations, expecting Seth Rogan's shtick to be overbearing and help crash the film. I was surprised that it didn't annoy me as much as it could have (yes it did have its share of overly Rogantastic moments) thanks to Jay Chou’s performance as Kato. Kato is the swiss army knife to Rogan's Britt Reid, who mostly comes off as a poor (but extremely rich) schmuck, that thanks do daddies passing, has the means to fund all the wacky gadgets Kato can create. This includes a car that rivals the Batmobile in the coolness factor. The interplay between Reid and Kato was refreshing, and even in their fight over their love interest Cameron Diaz, their newly formed friendship and crime fighting team felt authentic and organic. Lets not forget Christopher Waltz as the films insecure heavy "Chudnofsky". He seems to nail all he is in, becoming one of my favorite actors. This is not a superhero film as much as its an action/buddy comedy with a fun crime fighting element that rides along a pretty run-of-the-mill storyline. Thankfully Michel Gondry pulled all that could be pulled out of this film, saving it with some pretty cool action sequences. For full disclosure I didn't see the original TV series from the '60s, besides a few re-runs as a kid. That said, I didn't have any expectations and I had fun with 'The Green Hornet', more-so than I like to admit, finding a lot of laughs in its humor, as well as some nice balls in its action elements.


Ralph ‘s Take:

I love a good action comedy and hoped that The Green Hornet would successfully pull off the balancing act required to make for a fun and engaging film. There is no denying that there are elements of rewarding action however the plot and dialogue digress into abysmal levels of absurdity and Rogan’s nonstop buffoonery took the edge off of the partnered comradeship once too often. I am not sure why the opportunity to make this into more of a slick superhero film with a little levity tossed in was passed up but the outcome failed to do justice to the original Green Hornet and Kato in my opinion. The saving grace was Jay Chou’s Kato. Not only was his character likeable and the stronger of the two but Chou stole pretty much every scene he was in with Rogan. I loved Christophe Waltz in Inglorious Basterds and thought he did a decent job here especially considering what he had to work with. James Franco and Tom Wilkinson nailed their respective cameos and Cameron Diaz gave a typically steady performance. If I am being totally honest I admit that I want to give this film another spin. While I wasn’t crazy about it I can’t say that I disliked it either. Perhaps a second viewing will provide more of a definitive perspective. In the meantime I recommend that viewers go in with low expectations. My rating = 2.5/5









Parental Guide:

Rated PG-13 for sequences of violent action, language, sensuality and drug content.





AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:
REFERENCE = 92-100 / EXCELLENT = 83-91 / GOOD = 74-82 / AVERAGE = 65-73 / BELOW AVERAGE = under 65

**My audio/video ratings are based upon a comparative made against other high definition media/blu-ray disc.**

(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)

Audio: 88



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Video: 90



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'The Green Hornet'comes to Blu-ray Disc from Sony Home Entertainment featuring 1080p AVC encoded video that has an average bitrate of 23.8 and DTS-HD MA 5.1 Surround Sound that has an average bitrate of 3.4 mbps.

I really enjoyed Sony's A/V presentation with this release. Ralph's audio impression below are very similar to mine. This was a whiz-bang aggressive action mix, elevating the action on-screen. The low end was accurate and tight, giving things a nice punchy feel, however it never rocked the room as much as I had hoped for. I had no issues with dialogue intelligibility and enjoyed the feeling of envelopment the surrounds added. The video portion had outstanding black levels with high defined shadows. Colors were bold, pushing the saturation envelope at times, but never going overboard. Other than a few moments where things looked a little soft, this was a highly detailed and fun video encode by Sony.



***Ralph critiqued the 3D version and I did the 2D.

3D A/V Quality: 88


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The Green Hornet 3D comes to Blu-ray Disc Sony Pictures Home Entertainment featuring 1080p MVC encoded video and lossless DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio sound.

The Green Hornet wasn’t originally shot in 3D but was later converted for 3D presentation during post production. The film uses a limited chromatic design that is held to less visually engaging hues that appear vivid and warm. Contrast is held in check and blacks are deep but slightly compromised in terms of delineation. Detail is well preserved as the image retains its high level of clarity as objects within the frame are delineated and sharp. The film was largely shot against green screens and the reproduction of the digital effects and wide angle background elements is excellent. Depth is appreciable as evidenced by the notable separation of objects or people layered in the foreground/background which creates a discerning sense of virtual space occupied by things of various sizes and shapes. There is a distinct lack of 3D effects that transcend the boundaries of the screen which makes for a somewhat less involving experience especially for an action oriented film of this type. I didn’t notice any signs of ghosting/crosstalk or 3D related anomalies. 3D Video rating = 82

According to Sony this 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio has been 3D optimized. I am not sure exactly what that means however I can say that the surround mix mates perfectly with the execution of onscreen effects and makes for a terrific home theater demonstration. Near field sounds are accurately placed within the sound field which gives them multi-dimensional perspective that places you right in the middle of the action. The entire room is illuminated with an array of sounds that are both directional and ambient in nature. I appreciated the attention to detail that went into creating the surround mix as it effectively replicates the environments featured in the film. Bass is rich, authoritative, and room energizing as it accentuates the audio’s excellent dynamic range with palpable impact. Dialogue intelligibility is never a problem even during the film’s active moments. 3D Audio rating = 94.



Bonus Features:



  • Filmmakers' Commentary

  • (HD) "Awesoom"-Gag Reel

  • (HD) Featurettes: The Green Hornet Cutting Room, The Art of Destruction, The Black Beauty: Rebirth of Cool ,The Stunt Family Armstrong, Finding Kato, Writing The Green Hornet, Double Barrel

  • (HD) "Trust Me" -Director Michel Gondry

  • (HD) Jay Chou Audition

  • (HD) Deleted Scenes

  • PS3 Theme

  • (HD) Trailers:Yogi Bear, Just Go With It, Battle L.A., Das Boot

  • BD-Live

  • movieIQ


3D Bonus Features (Disc 1):


  • (HD) Seven 3D animated storyboard comparisons

  • Filmmaker’s commentary

  • BD-Live access




Final Thoughts:

I had fun with 'The Green Hornet', more-so than I like to admit, finding a lot of laughs in its humor, as well as some nice balls in its action elements. I don't feel this will be for everyone, so I am suggestion a rental over a purchase. If you are going in on a blind buy, know that it has a very substantial set of extras and a superlative video and audio presentation from Sony Blu-ray that are sure to not disappoint.






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Lee Weber
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post #2 of 42
Thought this movie was just ok. Good amount of laughs and action. However seeing this movie in "3D" wasn't really that great.

The amount of 3D used vs 2D was just a total seasaw. I can pretty much tell when a scene was in 3D and 2D.

If you're looking to buy or rent this i'd skip the 3D and just go with the 2D version. Not worth it imo.

Action scenes with Jay were great!

Cheers
post #3 of 42
I watched The Green Hornet BD earlier tonight but before I report my impressions let me confess that Seth Rogen's stuff has always appealed to me. Despite that appeal, I had low expectations. To my surprise, though, I liked The Green Hornet quite a lot. As is the case with most of the stuff Rogen writes and stars in, there are a lot of quick cut sight gags and one liners. Also as usual, they usually made me laugh out loud. In addition, I was gratified that the screenplay made a point of showing that Lenore, played by 38 year old Cameron Diaz, was a lot older that either the Green Hornet, Rogen, or his sidekick, Kato, played by Jay Chou and that she had no romantic interest in either. That was gratifying to me, not least because I had recently seen Water for Elephants with the 34 year old Rees Witherspoon playing the supposedly early 20s love interest of a 23 year old. That's a story for another day other than to say it didn't work..

Don't get me wrong, The Green Hornet is not only not deathless art it is in many way not even particularly good. Nevertheless, I laughed often and loudly and ended up being happy that I invested two hours in it. 7 Stars out of 10.
post #4 of 42
This has found it's way into my collection... I'm still behind, haven't even watched Tron yet.
post #5 of 42
I am a big fan of the Green Hornet. I watched every episode of the old TV program and I have every episode saved on my DVR after Syfy ran a Green Hornet marathon a few months back.

I was rather disappointed in the Green Hornet movie. I found that the movie seem to not know what direction it should take. Should it be a Seth Rogen typical "Hey! I'm an I don't care, do what I want guy", or should it be a more serious movie...The movie has a lot of really good actors in it, and Seth played the serious side very well, but when he slipped into his normal movie character, his silliness seem out of place. Kato's fight scenes were great accept for the slow/stop motion action (think Matrix), and I was not thrill with Kato's "6th sense" that seem to let him "see" where every bad guy around him was. It's not that I didn't think Kato could have a "6th sense", but the way the movie let us (the audience) "see" this "6th sense".

I watched the 2D version, and it had good video and audio quality, but it was obvious where the 3D parts were...every so often you had a "in your face" scene.

So, IMO, the Green Hornet could have been a really good/great movie, but due to lack of direction, it's only OK...and not the homage that should have been given the Green Hornet.

Ghpr13
post #6 of 42
The movie was absurdly bad. I like an element of humor in action films. But this film is a parody of the Green Hornet series. It really could have been a very good movie. Unfortunately, it slipped into senseless buffoonery early and often. A real shame because the movie did have quite a few good actors who's efforts were wasted.
post #7 of 42
Kato, right hand man to the Green Hornet < Cato, the Clouseau manservant.

Fact.
post #8 of 42
I watched the 3D Blu-Ray and wasn't suprised to learn afterwards that it was converted. The digital demensions and the added effects were well done, but there should be more press on what is SHOT in 3D and what is converted. "The Green Hornet" is a good comedy. It's fun to a spoof of super hero movies rather than just another in a endless parade. The 3D is like Cameron Diaz in the movie. Neither really belongs, or is needed, in "The Green Hornet", but your kinetic enjoyment is increased by both.
post #9 of 42
Britt Reid was right his character should have been called "The Green Bee". Not being a Green Hornet fan I looked up the history on Wikipedia and quickly realized this movie was an almost complete rewrite of the original. I watched a rental last night, a few laughs and decent action, no need to purchase. A 5 or 6 out of 10, I can't decide. Although the movie has made over $225 million worldwide hopefully it won't spawn a sequel.
post #10 of 42
Everyone that I know that paid to see it, liked it. Couple that with the moderate reviews here and low expectations and I may have some new 3D fodder. I think I'm going to bite. Thanks.
post #11 of 42
I may rent it eventually but I've said that about some others before. The longer I have waited on those I'm on the fence about spending time with, most never get viewed and I truly feel I'm the better for it.
post #12 of 42
Agree with the comments... The movie was ok..
post #13 of 42
Will give it a rental when released over here.
post #14 of 42
I think I'll just give this one a pass.
post #15 of 42
I don't understand how you can have different ratings for "3D Sound" and "2D Sound"?

There are 2 different mixes on this disc? If not, I don't get the difference in scores.
post #16 of 42
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Originally Posted by AuralXTC View Post
I don't understand how you can have different ratings for "3D Sound" and "2D Sound"?

There are 2 different mixes on this disc? If not, I don't get the difference in scores.
If you read the review you will see in Ralph's audio comments he opens with: "According to Sony this 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio has been 3D optimized. I am not sure exactly what that means however I can say that the surround mix mates perfectly with the execution of onscreen effects and makes for a terrific home theater demonstration."
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If you read the review you will see in Ralph's audio comments he opens with: "According to Sony this 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio has been 3D optimized. I am not sure exactly what that means however I can say that the surround mix mates perfectly with the execution of onscreen effects and makes for a terrific home theater demonstration."

I read that, but it says nothing about whether or not there are 2 different mixes or if the mixes on the 3D 3-disc combo pack and the regular edition are different. I am assuming they are identical.

I just find it strange that if they are the same, Ralph considers it reference while you consider it a little above average with very little use of the surrounds. I realize he's talking about sound correlating with the 3D effects but still; if the mixes are the same, should it not sound the same regardless of whether or not you're viewing 2D or 3D?

Of course... I suppose it could just be differing opinions on the effectiveness of the mix. Normally I wouldn't care but I often will buy a Blu-Ray based purely on the fact that you guys feel it contains a reference sound mix.

I wonder if Ralph would lower his score based on a 2D viewing? Curious...

I'm not calling into question your reviews, as I consider yours and Ralphs BD reviews to be the best out there. It's just confusing me because this is the first time I've come across this type of situation.
post #18 of 42
I thought that Seth was too over the top as I figured and this could have been an excellent movie. It was watchable and at times very good but overall they went for more comedy an sillyness instead of being more serious with some comedy. Good for a watch but that is all for me.
post #19 of 42
Just watched this film and it was hilarious and dramatic with unbelievable chase scenes. Overall it was like the producer tried to make a comic book on film and succeeded!!! Not great but entertaining this genre of film should be such.
post #20 of 42
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I read that, but it says nothing about whether or not there are 2 different mixes or if the mixes on the 3D 3-disc combo pack and the regular edition are different. I am assuming they are identical.

I just find it strange that if they are the same, Ralph considers it reference while you consider it a little above average with very little use of the surrounds. I realize he's talking about sound correlating with the 3D effects but still; if the mixes are the same, should it not sound the same regardless of whether or not you're viewing 2D or 3D?

Of course... I suppose it could just be differing opinions on the effectiveness of the mix. Normally I wouldn't care but I often will buy a Blu-Ray based purely on the fact that you guys feel it contains a reference sound mix.

I wonder if Ralph would lower his score based on a 2D viewing? Curious...

I'm not calling into question your reviews, as I consider yours and Ralphs BD reviews to be the best out there. It's just confusing me because this is the first time I've come across this type of situation.
Sorry that it was not clear. There is a 3D optimized mix that differs from the 2D mix. I also noticed a mistake in my audio thoughts and cleared it up. I gave the audio an 88 of 100, which is just under reference. I gave the surround 4.5 of 5, and you wont be disappointed as they are quite active!

Also, thanks for the kind words!
post #21 of 42
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Originally Posted by rboehl View Post

I thought that Seth was too over the top as I figured and this could have been an excellent movie. It was watchable and at times very good but overall they went for more comedy an sillyness instead of being more serious with some comedy. Good for a watch but that is all for me.

I agree 100%.

Ghpr13
post #22 of 42
Movie - good. Sound - very good. Over the top, silly - yes.

Did anyone see the cover of the box?

Machine guns on the hood of the car, dudes dressed like the Black Mask who dressed like the Green Hornet - what can you expect but over the top.

Will buy when it hits 9.99 a couple weeks later .
post #23 of 42
It was a sin for that dude to play the Green Hornet, it's as bad as Pee Wee Herman playing the Terminator after the Govenator.

If you ever seen the original TV series you'll see that he ruint the possibility of it being made into a real action film as it should've been, not comedy until after that.
And That's All I Got To Say About That
post #24 of 42
Rogen was a pair of clown shoes which ruined what could have been the start of a good series...
post #25 of 42
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Originally Posted by bruhthakuga View Post

It was a sin for that dude to play the Green Hornet, it's as bad as Pee Wee Herman playing the Terminator after the Govenator.

Could have been worse. Remember when GREEN LANTERN was going to star Jack Black? WTF were they thinking????
post #26 of 42
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Could have been worse. Remember when GREEN LANTERN was going to star Jack Black? WTF were they thinking????

OUCH!! I remember that..Thank the maker that didn't happen.
post #27 of 42
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Originally Posted by bruhthakuga View Post

It was a sin for that dude to play the Green Hornet, it's as bad as Pee Wee Herman playing the Terminator after the Govenator.

If you ever seen the original TV series you'll see that he ruint the possibility of it being made into a real action film as it should've been, not comedy until after that.
And That's All I Got To Say About That

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Rogen was a pair of clown shoes which ruined what could have been the start of a good series...

I'm in total agreement with you both.

Ghpr13
post #28 of 42
The problem with American comedians is that they are OK in little 5 minute skits or on Letterman, however they just do not have the talent, or the restraint to carry a 2 hour movie. The only exceptions to that were the late great John Candy and sometimes, I say sometimes Steve Martin. I cringe when ever I watch Jack Black or Will Farrell. I think Farrell is as funny as Colon Cancer, and just as painful. The moment I heard that Rogen was going to star in GH my heart dropped. What a sin. SNL Comedians should stick to SNL.
post #29 of 42
This was one of the worst movies I have seen in many years. They had an opportunity to totally restart this character for a new generation and they threw it all away. Simply terrible; terrible acting (the lead was miscast and not funny at all), terrible dialog, terrible on so many levels. It was so bad we literally fast forwarded 90% of the movie.

Don't waste a penny on this dog.
post #30 of 42
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Originally Posted by Blu-Boy in BKK View Post

The problem with American comedians is that they are OK in little 5 minute skits or on Letterman, however they just do not have the talent, or the restraint to carry a 2 hour movie. The only exceptions to that were the late great John Candy and sometimes, I say sometimes Steve Martin. I cringe when ever I watch Jack Black or Will Farrell. I think Farrell is as funny as Colon Cancer, and just as painful. The moment I heard that Rogen was going to star in GH my heart dropped. What a sin. SNL Comedians should stick to SNL.

The problem my friend is that comedy is a boat in a little pond (Atlantic) that you (UK) and I (US) being on different banks are seeing different aspects of it be it the bow or stern. I use to think that the comedy there was lame til I realize that it makes you laugh so it is good comedy, one selection from a wonderful buffet a sellection that I would not choose but one that I am happy that you chose.

Funny thing, you mentioned some US comedians that I don't particularly like. There are some US comedians that can hold the stage for and hour but You know, to save my life I cannot think of the there name at this time, However, if you ever get the chance to see John Leguizamo's claim to fame show, not nessasarily an American comedian but more like Columbian-Puerto Rican-American let me know what you think.
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