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post #151 of 260
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Originally Posted by 69Stingray View Post

Hello everyone, can you confirm that the only difference between the M40 and the M41 is 16 vs. 32 internal storage? Also, the M40 has SD slots, so I could expand the 16GB if needed, correct?

It is not the only difference - the M41 also has a viewfinder.

The M400, M40, and M41 all have dual SD slots, so they have great expansion options.

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Finally, the photo option seems like a nice feature. I would be able to only bring my camcorder instead of a camcorder and digital camera. Can you transfer photos only to your PC, leaving the video on the camera?

Do note that you are limited to 2MP 16:9 stills, since the camcorder uses a native 1080 sensor. And yes, you can transfer only the photos to your PC. You actually don't need to use the included software to transfer photos or video - just hook up the camcorder via USB and copy the files using Windows explorer.
post #152 of 260
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Originally Posted by 69Stingray View Post

Finally, the photo option seems like a nice feature. I would be able to only bring my camcorder instead of a camcorder and digital camera. Can you transfer photos only to your PC, leaving the video on the camera?

Note that there is no dedicated "photo" button - you have to use the touch screen. This also means you can't take photos with the touchscreen folded just using the viewfinder on the M41 .
post #153 of 260
These camcorders are not a good subsitute for a still camera, as far as ease of use and quality.

But some still cameras are good subsitutes for video. The Pana FZ150 is one such. Excellent video and photos.
post #154 of 260
Thanks everyone. I am looking at the M40, I will probably not be using the viewfinder all that much. If I want the added feature of a digital camerea, would the Panasonic HDC-TM90 be a better choice? It is more expensive on Amazon. How is the Panasonic's low-light performance compared to the Canon? Shottong mostly home moives, including Xmas and Birthdays.
post #155 of 260
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Originally Posted by 69Stingray View Post

Thanks everyone. I am looking at the M40, I will probably not be using the viewfinder all that much. If I want the added feature of a digital camerea, would the Panasonic HDC-TM90 be a better choice? It is more expensive on Amazon. How is the Panasonic's low-light performance compared to the Canon? Shottong mostly home moives, including Xmas and Birthdays.

I have both camcorders mentioned. Yes, the Pana takes better photos, and has a wider zoom. When set up properly, the Pana has good low light for the average consumer. If not, just turn on some lights. The Pana is much more pleasant to use.

But photo quality is still not as good as digital camera. What would you be doing with the photos???
post #156 of 260
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Originally Posted by 69Stingray View Post

Hello everyone, can you confirm that the only difference between the M40 and the M41 is 16 vs. 32 internal storage? Also, the M40 has SD slots, so I could expand the 16GB if needed, correct?

I am also a little upset of the price jumps....but, with that being said, from my research and this thread, the M40 is still a good camera. What is a close second concerning this higher price ($478).

Finally, the photo option seems like a nice feature. I would be able to only bring my camcorder instead of a camcorder and digital camera. Can you transfer photos only to your PC, leaving the video on the camera?

thank again.

M41 has a viewfinder, M40 does not.

Duh, update missed a page, gerald-gt mentioned this.
post #157 of 260
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Originally Posted by 69Stingray View Post

Thanks everyone. I am looking at the M40, I will probably not be using the viewfinder all that much.

Why not the M400?
post #158 of 260
Ungermann-

I have been flip-flopping back and forth between the M400 and M40. At teh end of the day having some internal memory may be a nice benefit (lost, misplaced, full cards).

KYRandy-

Thanks for the info. At the end of the day, photos will be printed (if printed) to 4x6 by Shutterfly or Ofoto. Just thinking, if I am making this investment ($450-$550 is a good chuck of money for me) I should get maximum usage out of it and if I can reduce taking my digital camera 75% of the time, there is value there.
post #159 of 260
I have the M40 and love it. The pictures are not great but 4x6 should be fine though.
I like it more than the Panasonic which is really good but low light is just on another level. And the whole turn on more lights comment is just to naive...like it was that easy in most occasions to just turn on more lights.

I think I am going to do some pics with my camcorder, phone and pentax camera as a comparison
post #160 of 260
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Originally Posted by dayodave View Post

Hey Guys,

I'm a brand new owner of the Canon Vixia HF M41. I'm really pleased with the video that I've taken with good light. The detail is fantastic. However, I've not been impressed at all with the footage that I've taken in low light (it's supposed strength). I think I just might not know what I'm doing operating the camcorder though. Here is the footage - it really is this grainy. At the 1080p setting Youtube seems to display the video fairly close to the original.

Low light test at Auto, MXP and 24p: http://youtu.be/kVlOCN02Ams
Low light test at Auto, MXP and 30p: http://youtu.be/YyJ2SyxgIHE
Low light test at Auto, MXP and 60i: http://youtu.be/GIUnKqQOFQM

A few questions: why is it so grainy? Am I moving too much? Is there a manual setting that will give me better performance?

Changing the bitrate from MXP to SP and everything in between didn't seem to have any affect. Neither did changing the from rate from 60i to 30p to 24p. Everything I tried with that particular setting turned out bad. (You can see three of the examples above). I'm definitely a novice with the camcorder at this point. I think I just need to understand the ins and outs of the camera a little more before a setting like this can be filmed correctly.

Dave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bHGCezW3fI
post #161 of 260
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Originally Posted by Luis Gabriel Gerena View Post

I am no expert so I will leave that part for others but I do think youtube completely destroys the videos I have taken with this camera. On my TV they look so razor sharp and detailed and above all silky smooth. I just uploaded raw files as a test so maybe I need to do some work on them to make it more youtube friendly.
I did some low light videos as a test (just got mine too) and was really impressed by how clean it was specially after suffering with other ones I tried like some JVC everios and a Samsung.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bHGCezW3fI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2ViU3wLQOs
post #162 of 260
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Originally Posted by Ungermann View Post

HF M400 for $389.

HFM 41 $898

http://www.buy.com/prod/canon-vixia-...220054158.html
post #163 of 260
I am new to camcorders and got the M41 for Christmas. I have an automated Christmas display and want to video it.

Here is what I have so far:
http://vimeo.com/34075798

I would like to record later at night. For this video, I Cinima mode and 60 fps, tungsten white balance.

I seems to me now that a slower fps would be better.

ANY recommendations would be appreciated.

Don the newbie
post #164 of 260
Special thanks to Icyman.

It was your post on Amazon that pointed me here.

Great Performance, June 1, 2011
By
Icyman - See all my reviews
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This review is from: Wasabi Power Battery and Charger Kit for Canon BP-827, VIXIA HF S10, HF S100, HF S11, HF M30, HF M300, HF M31, HF M32, HF S20, HF S200, HF S21, HF20, HF200, HF21, HG20, HG21, HF G10, HF M40, HF M400, HF M41, HF S30, XA10 (Electronics)
I have used one of the batteries so far. my stock battery gave me 112 mins. this battery gave me 363 mins. But they are big and will come past the rear of the camcorder 3/4" on a Canon HF M41. the battery is 2-3/8" long. I would definitely recommend this battery. Wasabi is used by many in the community. I posted pics on the avsforum web site. search under camcorder for Canon HFM4xx Owner's Thread. avsforum-dot-com


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Originally Posted by Icyman View Post

Wasabi Batteries 3000Mah after market for BP-827
they are big, size and power, without the big price.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0049VMMZ2

363 minutes vs 109 minutes. Both after recharge. I have seen the stock battery at 112 before.
post #165 of 260
has the M41 been discontinued or is it just that popular that it out of stock at most retailers, Local and Online. Canon does not even have available on their website nor does it even show up.

Is there a new replacement coming?

After all the reviews that i've read this is the camcorder to buy and I don't want to settle for 2nd best at this price range.

Any insight is greatly appreciated
post #166 of 260
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Originally Posted by imjoedaddy View Post

has the M41 been discontinued or is it just that popular that it out of stock at most retailers, Local and Online. Canon does not even have available on their website nor does it even show up.

Is there a new replacement coming?

After all the reviews that i've read this is the camcorder to buy and I don't want to settle for 2nd best at this price range.

Any insight is greatly appreciated

Yes, the M41 has been discontinued and replaced by the recently-announced M52.
post #167 of 260
For those of you looking at getting a wide angle lens for this series of camcorder, here is a look at the Canon WD H43mm lens, and the Raynox HD-6600 43mm lens, on my M41.

I painted the exterior black of the Canon, as the original silver just didn't look as good.

Canon on left, Raynox on right.

Canon lens:



Raynox lens:

post #168 of 260
Looks awesome bro!
post #169 of 260
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Originally Posted by Icyman View Post

added a lens hood, X-grip and wide angle adapter.
the WA lens was $13 on amazon. Cheap and pain less. Since I have nothing to compare it to, I will only say that it works. I considered a raynox 6600. their lens is only rated for use with 1-4x zoom though and this lens seems the similar as I notice blur beyond halfway (5x-10x). I didn't even consider the canon WA lens due to no filter threads.
the x-grip is very functional. low shots and using it seems to add stability when camcorder is mounted perpendicular. The lens hood is great for those sunny days or bright lights while looking like you paid too much for a camcorder. the 3000mah wasabi batteries arrived today as well. they stick out the back, making is difficult using the viewfinder but hey that's the price for power.
the canon dm-100 mic and "Ravelli AVTP Professional 75mm Video Camera Tripod with Fluid Drag Head" should be here this week. I'll update accordingly.

It's $39.99 now. Wow, that is inflation!
post #170 of 260
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Originally Posted by amirijaz View Post

What recording modes are you guys using? I've read that if archiving and shooting important stuff, you usually shoot 60i and 24Mb/s (MXP mode). But I read in the manual on pg 86 that movies recorded in MXP cannot be saved on AVCHD discs. Does this mean it will also be difficult to archive on blu-ray discs? Or somehow be difficult to transfer and edit .mts files on a computer?

You can save HD to to DVD-R or DVD+R; it's just that the quality will be reduced from 24 mbs to 17 mbs. AVCHD can not handle 24 mbs, but for that resolution you need to burn to
Blu-Ray DVD.
post #171 of 260
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Originally Posted by Luis Gabriel Gerena View Post

Looks awesome bro!

Thanks Luis,

I will say that I like the additional weight of the Canon wide angle lens on the M41. Looks more intimidating also.
post #172 of 260
Hey guys. I've had the Panasonic TM900 for a week now and am very disappointed with it's quality shooting indoors with indoor lighting. From what I've read, the Canon M41 is superb in this respect. Seriously considering returning my TM900 and going for one of these. Is there any significant benefit to holding out for one of the newer M52? Not interested in the wifi and other features. More interested in low light capability, sensor, quality, etc.
post #173 of 260
muskett,

I read your posts in the other threads. The Pany TM900 is a great little cam. For shooting in lowlight inside, the M4xx series does pretty damn well, and would be my choice in certain situations where lowlight is concerned.

Remember that just about any camera will struggle and have poor results if the lighting environment is really bad.

The newer M5xx series we have been told, has improved the low light performance 20% over the M4xx cams. We'll just have to wait and see if that is actually the case. The great deals on the M4xx cams are gone, but if you look hard enough you could save yourself a few hundred bucks compared to the pricing on the upcoming M5xx series of cams.
post #174 of 260
Hey Blasst. Thanks for the response. Seems like every time I'm ready to give up on the TM900, it sucks me back in. Took it out to film during the day yesterday and it was fantastic. I guess it's like every other piece of tech, they all have + and -. There's no one perfect one. I hear a lot of the M41's clunky control system and that is something I love of the TM900, the manual controls are easy to access and the ring makes for great fine adjustments.

Guess I'll just buy a bunch of lights and shine them on my kids when I record inside... (but then that throws the WB out of whack) haha. It never ends.
post #175 of 260
Maybe the the Panasonic cams coming out will have improved in the low light to compete with the Canons. If so they will be the cam to beat. Unless Canon is holding out on us and will release a cam with 1080/60p.......who knows.

Anyway enjoy your TM900, film the hell out of it for your kids, and their kids.....and their kids......
post #176 of 260
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Originally Posted by muskett32 View Post

Guess I'll just buy a bunch of lights and shine them on my kids when I record inside.

You will never get a home video looking like a commercial. Just accept it.
post #177 of 260
Ok so Ungermann is going to kill me.

I was at Best Buy today and they had 1 M41 left. They have a 14 day return policy and no restocking fee so I figured what the heck. I bought it to compare. I've been filming indoors with both the TM900 and the M41 and what a difference! My goodness. The hype is true of the M41. It truly does shine in low light (excuse the pun). And by low light I mean the overhead lights and lamps in the different rooms in my house. Tomorrow I will test it outside in daylight.
I do have to say the menu system takes some getting used to. Especially after using the TM900 and its focus ring.
Will post an update tomorrow for anyone who cares.
post #178 of 260
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Originally Posted by muskett32 View Post

Ok so Ungermann is going to kill me.

Nah, he's just yanking your chain a bit.

Well you got to see with your own eyes how the M41 performs. Pretty nice as you can see.

Might as well keep both cams now.... use the M41 inside, and the TM900 for outside, shooting sporting events etc.....
post #179 of 260
Ha! Don't I wish! In a perfect world, maybe... thanks for all the help. Definitely gonna keep monitoring these threads. You guys are a great source of knowledge.
post #180 of 260
Right. I would like to see the comparison. Muskett32, it would be nice if you did two sets of shots: one in full auto, another with preset shutter speed, aperture and gain.

You might not be able to do it on the Canon, then do the following: set shutter speed and lock Exposure. Make several shots. There are tools that can pull exposure info from a clip, ExifTool should be able to do that. Then you can compare levels in your NLE and exposure parameters from the tool.
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