Having VERY bad luck with Warner HD-DVDs! - Page 10

i have a ton of warner hd-dvds that i haven't played in years. i am almost afraid to check!

Dose anyone know wjere i can dix my hd dvds my lethal weapon 1 and the fugitive will not olay for me and i love my hd dvds

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Dang, I'm new to this thread not reading about this issue until today. My Phantom of the Opera always freezes about halfway on the Toshiba XA2, but plays through on the A35.

But this doesn't bode well in general as I have most of the affected titles.

I was able to backup most of my Warners discs before the rot got them, except one: Forbidden Planet. On a happy note, I watched MI-III on my HD-30 last night without a single problem. No problems with Paramount discs...

The problems are almost 100% with Warner titles. Test them all - especially first loading up and about 1/2 way through (layer break area maybe?). Then contact Warner in Burbank about the defective ones - they were very supportive and helpful for me.

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Good advice, I will. Thanks for posting your experience with them.

This is not a problem limited to Warner, it is a problem shared by all HD DVD's as well as the oldest versions of DVD's.

I posted photos of the degenerated discs on this thread many months ago showing the plaques and dispersed 'freckles' that are clearly visible under a tungsten light source. These discs have continued to worsen since then.

I probably have the best A/V set-up on the planet (maybe) with a 9' wide Stewart screen and this magnification amplifies any errors.

I prefer HD DVD's since in my humble opinion, in general, they provide better resolution than BRD's. For example Caddyshack, Deliverance, Lucky Number Slevin, The Perfect Storm, The Phantom of the Opera etc.

Once again, if any of you guys have a viable copy of an HD DVD I urge you to make an ISO of it while you can (Slysoft is the way to go, it's a bit expensive but worth every penny).

Anybody that has a viable "Back-up" of the above please contact me, and I will make the appropriate accommodation.

Stuart

There are very few problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives.

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is most definitely not for you.

not surprising, as my understanding is that cinram is the culprit with the Warner defectives also. contact Magnolia - there is a good chance they will replace it, as they replaced a defective hd-dvd for me recently (The Host).

I backed up all the WB titles (I have them all) as isos on my hard drives. Four of them gave read errors (Wyatt Earp, Troy DC, Galapagos and Mutiny on the Bounty), which I reordered and the replacements worked fine.

The only one of the 4 that I have seen is 'Troy'.

The quality of resolution, in my humble opinion, is that the HD DVD is much better than the BRD.

Stuart

well, i have only checked a couple of my nearly 100 hd-dvd's, they all started playing fine but if part of the checkout process involves the layer switch i have no idea where that is on any given title, so i imagine my best option is just to start backing it all up and check for errors huh?

the library is large enough that i'm willing to do that... i'm going to test the first ten warner titles i can grab from my rack tonight just out of curiousity. this is like the cd-rot infestation of the late 90s european discs all over again lol

you need to download TsMuxer. This is a free download and will tell you immediately if there are any bad sectors.

I assume that you are going to use Slysoft to make the ISO's. Expensive, but worth every penny.

I live in Hawaii, and I am guessing that the humidity has initiated a fungus that has separated the two layers since the playback stops abruptly at about this predicted time.

Once having made an ISO on a RE disc, check it out for pixellation or just an abrupt stop at the transition point.

Incidentally, I have started to see "Rot" in the earliest BRD's! This would be catastrophic for those who are using 100GB BRD's to store data.

I don't want to sound like a simplistic copy of the "Conspiracy Theory", but is there something that we have not been appraised of with regard to the longevity of these media? Frankly, in this age of designed obsolescence it would not surprise me at all.

Stuart

i've checked around 20 warner hd-dvd's today and all have played so far. I also chose a later chapter in each title to test a potential second layer. knock on wood - so far so good.

If you are spot checking, I suggest you check around the middle of the main feature, as that hopefully would be somewhere around the layer break, where most of the problems I experienced occurred (I believe the data is stored from the inside of the disc towards the outside, so the problematic area is the outermost ring area of the media).

just spot checking the beginning and later chapter takes so long i can't imagine checking the layer switches for every title manually.

i guess i will have to go the backup route just to fully check this. I have had several "no disc" errors on my XA2 but i've always had that, putting the disc back in usually fixes this, my only truly failed disc so far is "THE INVASION".

wow, Training Day just crapped out after a couple of minutes. knocking on wood did not work for me.

Just noticed that 3 of these titles are over 3 hours long and the other is 2 1/2 hours. Maybe it's more likely a long running title will fail first, I don't know.

I'm about halfway checking all of my hd-dvd's and so far the only two that have failed are Training Day and Invasion (both Warner). Training Day stops working at the 5 minute mark, and Invasion won't even load. I'm watching the first ten minutes or so of each disc so it's possible there are more failures I just haven't found yet.

On a side note, i forgot how subpar a lot of the early Universal HD transfers were!!!!

Add A Christmas Story to the list- Ho Ho Ho! You'll shoot your eye out!

oleus,

Unless you watch to the layer break (somewhere around 1 hour into the movie in most cases) you won't really know what the situation is. Most of my HD DVD's are fine, until you hit that layer break on Warner titles, then all bets are off. When trying to rip them to my hard drive, quite often the second part of the main feature (right where the layer break is) refuses to properly read off the disc.

Hmmm...sounds like it is time to upgrade my NAS box to 4TB and rip all of my HD DVD's. The only one I've ripped is an import (Fragile) that wasn't released in theaters in the US, much less Blu-ray or DVD. Strange how it had Calista Flockhart as the main character, you would have thought it would have a US release.

will playing a section that is definitely after the break work as a test or do i actually have to check the actual layer switch?

i found my first universal disc failure - Bourne Supremacy.

As for Warner titles - Training Day stops playing after about 5 minutes and the Invasion won't load. But like you said I likely have problemed discs i haven't had the pleasure of knowing are failures yet....

Sometimes I have found it is possible to skip past the problem and keep going, other times the disc simply won't play any further. You just need to try them to find out.

Just tried playing Training Day and Viva Las Vegas (both Warner) for the first time. Both would not load and locked the machine. I had to unplug/plug my XA-2 and then hit the open/close to get the disc out of the machine.

No problem with TRAINING DAY on my A30. Whew!

My copy of WB " Full Metal Jacket" will no longer play. Errors out about halfway through. It was OK a few months ago.

Same for "Goodfellas". I think I'll stop checking. This is getting to be depressing.