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post #421 of 488
I burned every single Warner title onto iso files last year. I had 7 that were bad (out of 150 or so), but found replacements for them. Now that I have two excellent PC software programs for HD DVD playback (TMT 3 and PowerDVD 7.3), I don't have to worry anymore about what goes bad (disc or player) and what doesn't, as I can run HD DVD completely on software. Alternatively, it's fairly easy to convert the isos to BDMV files for playing the movie files on a Blu-ray player.

Bad discs:

Galapagos
Troy DC
Wyatt Earp
Mutiny on the Bounty
Full Metal Jacket (remastered)
Smallville season 6 disc 4
Sopranos season 6 part 2 disc 3


I have noticed also that there are more discs that won't play on the Toshiba players (like the XA2) than the LG BH200 or HD DVD add-on player. Those seem to play most discs that fail on the XA2.
post #422 of 488
Checked 15 or so but due to the size of my collection stopped there, all without issue. Only issue I ever had with any disc was Lady In the Water from the get go skipped during the intro on two copies. I never tried it on the BD-UP5000.

Got too many discs and too many players to make a production out of it (BD-UP5000, HD-A2, HD-A20, HD-A30, HD-A3, HDV5000, Xbox player and a computer drive, some of which I have multiple players of). If they don't work I'll address them at that level when I run into them, then test them in different players.

I guess Laserdisc was the same way. I've got about 1300 titles and possibly 5 were rotted, only one to virtually unplayable.
post #423 of 488
I've been watching HD-DVDs recently on my XA2 and no problems at all: Blade Runner The Final Cut, The Road Warrior, or The Italian Job. I forget which firmware is on my XA2 (not the latest iirc) but I suspect that some of the readability problems people are having are player related.

I do have many dozens of bad laserdiscs!
post #424 of 488
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Originally Posted by Laserfan View Post

I do have many dozens of bad laserdiscs!

I have my own collection of laser discs suffering from laser rot also. Mine were almost exclusively Columbia releases manufactured by a poor quality pressing plant they were using back in the day. I will give Warner credit for providing some support for HD-DVD customers with bad products from them as Columbia didn't give a damn about their customers who got ripped off with shoddy laser discs they put into the marketplace.
post #425 of 488
I had Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift HD DVD/DVD combo go bad, Land of the Dead (Combo) and it freezes, Training Day freezes, Knocked Up (Combo) freezes, The Matrix Collection freezes, Troy Freezes (I got a replacement HD DVD and it worked when i first received it, I haven't watched it in forever so it probably freezes now I bet), FMJ (DOA, got a replacement, worked when I played it).

I'm no longer buying HD DVD's anymore, even though they are dirt cheap it's just a waste of money at this point because the discs keep going bad.
post #426 of 488
I stopped buying them shortly after the format's demise for reasons like this.
post #427 of 488
Try cleaning you hd dvd player with a laser lens cleaner, The discs that have more info on them or certain types of copyright codes are the first to have problems when the lasers are getting dirty.
post #428 of 488
Try using a laser lens cleaner, The discs that have more info packed on them will be the first to have problems, Than be sure to thank me if that works!
post #429 of 488
I'm in the very same boat many of you are in...

Last week I popped in Ocean's 11 because I hadn't seen it in a good long time, and it immediately failed to read. I blamed my HD-XA2 thinking perhaps it had gone pear-shaped, so I brought it downstairs and set it in my electronics recycling pile. After the very same thing happened on my XBOX 360 HD DVD add-on drive though, I immediately retrieved it and apologized for trying to send it to electronics heaven. smile.gif

After finding that almost all of my Warner titles were either completely unreadable or failing halfway through the disc, I did a quick web search for 'failure rate of Warner Bros HD DVDS' and was completely unsurprised to see a thread here.

I made the mistake of attempting to purchase replacements from Amazon and I kid you not, almost all of them have been totally defective right out of the box. I'm actually tempted to just keep buying and returning them as defective just to get the bloody things off the market, and perhaps in doing so I might eventually find discs that ACTUALLY WORK. Obviously, the major downside of doing this is the refund amount per disc, which has a percentage carved out for Amazon themselves. I would have to eat the losses.

I know many of you have done the dvd2blu thing or called Warner directly to complain, but I honestly don't want to replace my discs with blu-ray. It's a bit hard to explain, but replacing them with blu-ray discs would break my heart. I invested in HD DVD primarily because it was the format I wanted, and I have a bit of an attachment to it.
post #430 of 488
I've only had problems with Universal discs and those were due to residue on the discs. lt6Lgn
post #431 of 488
I still have never had a bad disc. I'm thinking i may be willing to buy these faulty disc from you if i do not have the movies in my collection.
I'm almost certain its the players themselves that are faulty and not the discs. Every movie that people complain about i have checked and it worked.
I use the Xbox HD DVD drive. I did have issues with my Toshiba player so i switched to the Xbox add on. I hated how it took 3 minutes for the Toshiba to start up anyway.
Im certain the Toshiba players have issues finding the start of the disc, i could here it spinning trying to find the starting point.
I've have already mentioned this and it seems no one believed me. Glad to see there are other people that have had no issues.
post #432 of 488
I have 3 different types of players; an xbox 360 with add-on, a Toshiba HDA1 and a media centre PC using the Xbox360 add-on with Arcsoft TMT5 as the player.

Faulty Warner Bros discs will not play on any of the 3 players that I have...fact ! In many cases the disc will stop at the same point on each of the players, where the disc is bad ie at the layer change or a certain point in a film. My latest disc to go faulty is Wyatt Earp. On both the Xbox anbd the PC it stops about 30 seconds before the layer change. I managed to rip the disc to my hard drive using a piece of software that allows me to copy files which have a bad sector / errors, so that I can at least reserve the film. Other discs I've not been so lucky !
post #433 of 488
veddermandan,

It's pretty obvious actually what the issue with Warner discs is. When you open the case you will see a foggy residue all over the inside. Just run a finger across the surface of the case interior and you will see it smudge. I'm pretty sure whatever this residue is it is what has ruined the discs over time. If we had known and cleaned the cases immediately when we bought them maybe the discs would have survived. It's very frustrating. I was able to rip all my Warner discs successfully before they completely failed except one: Forbidden Planet. It really irks me to have to go buy a blu replacement, maybe I'll get around to complaining directly to Warner someday and get it for free...
post #434 of 488
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Originally Posted by iontyre View Post

veddermandan,

It's pretty obvious actually what the issue with Warner discs is. When you open the case you will see a foggy residue all over the inside. Just run a finger across the surface of the case interior and you will see it smudge. I'm pretty sure whatever this residue is it is what has ruined the discs over time. If we had known and cleaned the cases immediately when we bought them maybe the discs would have survived. It's very frustrating. I was able to rip all my Warner discs successfully before they completely failed except one: Forbidden Planet. It really irks me to have to go buy a blu replacement, maybe I'll get around to complaining directly to Warner someday and get it for free...

The problems with the Warner discs are the ones Warner contracted with cinram to manufacture - it's not the cases. Discs coming out of pristine looking cases are just as likely to be bad as others. HD-DVD combos are not the issue either. Based on everything I've read and experienced: Warner/Cinram = bad news!
post #435 of 488
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Originally Posted by Rich86 View Post

The problems with the Warner discs are the ones Warner contracted with cinram to manufacture - it's not the cases. Discs coming out of pristine looking cases are just as likely to be bad as others. HD-DVD combos are not the issue either. Based on everything I've read and experienced: Warner/Cinram = bad news!
Ok, but every one of my Warner discs has this foggy crap, and none of my Universal / Paramount discs has it. All the Warners have gone bad, none of the others. Is the crap outgassed from the discs, or is the crap 'gassing' the discs? I still think it's involved somehow.
post #436 of 488
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Originally Posted by iontyre View Post

Ok, but every one of my Warner discs has this foggy crap, and none of my Universal / Paramount discs has it. All the Warners have gone bad, none of the others. Is the crap outgassed from the discs, or is the crap 'gassing' the discs? I still think it's involved somehow.

I understand what you are saying. I have a fair number of non-Warner HD-DVDs with fogged case insides that play perfectly fine. I have blu-ray cases with the same coating inside the cases - they all play fine also.
Edited by Rich86 - 9/6/13 at 4:54pm
post #437 of 488
I went through all of my Warner discs over the past few days. Blade Runner, the first disc I tried, failed in the first two minutes. I didn't try the other four discs because I'll be getting the Blu-ray replacement.

In terror I went through the rest of them: 2001, A Scanner Darkly, 16 Blocks, Forbidden Planet, V For Vendetta, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Deliverance, Blood Diamond, the Matrix (just the first one), the Aviator, and Excalibur. They all played from beginning to end with no problems. I'm lucky.

A Scanner Darkly had the mysterious grime in the case that people are talking about. It played fine.

I also played a few Universal discs with no problems.

I'm using a Toshiba HD-A20.
post #438 of 488
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

I went through all of my Warner discs over the past few days. Blade Runner, the first disc I tried, failed in the first two minutes. I didn't try the other four discs because I'll be getting the Blu-ray replacement.

In terror I went through the rest of them: 2001, A Scanner Darkly, 16 Blocks, Forbidden Planet, V For Vendetta, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Deliverance, Blood Diamond, the Matrix (just the first one), the Aviator, and Excalibur. They all played from beginning to end with no problems. I'm lucky.

A Scanner Darkly had the mysterious grime in the case that people are talking about. It played fine.

I also played a few Universal discs with no problems.

I'm using a Toshiba HD-A20.
Blade Runner didn't have the foggy goo? Mine was a MESS! Thank God I got it ripped before it crapped out. 2001 and Forbidden Planet were the same for me, all fogged up case interior. Afraid I don't have any of the others.
post #439 of 488
Yes, Blade Runner had the weird grime on the inside of the case as do many of the ones that play without problems.

I found two more Warner discs I've rarely played. The Road Warrior is really bad. It isn't even recognized as an HD-DVD disc so there's another $15 Blu-ray I'll have to buy someday. I bought the HD-DVD used for five bucks a few months after the format died so not a big financial hit for me.

Superman II the Richard Donner Cut plays perfectly. I bought that one used for $7.50 around the same time.

I'll start testing my Universal discs now.
post #440 of 488
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

Yes, Blade Runner had the weird grime on the inside of the case as do many of the ones that play without problems.

I found two more Warner discs I've rarely played. The Road Warrior is really bad. It isn't even recognized as an HD-DVD disc so there's another $15 Blu-ray I'll have to buy someday. I bought the HD-DVD used for five bucks a few months after the format died so not a big financial hit for me.

Superman II the Richard Donner Cut plays perfectly. I bought that one used for $7.50 around the same time.

I'll start testing my Universal discs now.

I doubt you will experience many problems with your Universal titles - I don't recall any issues in mine - and I have quite a few.
Warner + Warner distributed titles for other labels were the problematic ones for me - probably a 10% failure rate, mostly right out of the shrink wrap.
Fortunately every bad title was replaced by the appropriate movie studio free of charge (with blu-rays in most cases).

Correction: I checked my notes - I had 2 defective Universal hd-dvd titles (Shaun of the Dead & The Mummy Returns). Both of these were replaced by Universal.
Edited by Rich86 - 9/6/13 at 9:42pm
post #441 of 488
Sort of good news about Blade Runner. The other discs play perfectly so I can watch the three inferior versions! biggrin.gif

Odd that only the first disc died.
post #442 of 488
Well after reading the posts here i started backing up my HDDVD Collection:
Using Xbox 360 HDDVD Drive on Window 7.

and so far out of my 65 movies and 1 TV Season. i have been able to back up 32 titles, have had 7 Fails and still need to back up 26 more movies and my 1 TV Show (Heroes S1).

List of Fails are:

Paramount:
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow

Magnolia
The Host

Warner
300
Full Metal Jacket (White Case)
Superman: The Movie
Lethal Weapon
Lethal Weapon 2

Will Update if i find more.
Edited by vduke300 - 9/11/13 at 5:57am
post #443 of 488
Pls advise your process--the "Fails" were on Rip? How do you rip.
post #444 of 488
I am using Anydvd HD 7.3.0.0 to rip them to my Ext. HDD.
I then re-encode them using ripbot 264 so they will play on my seagate FreeAgent Theater+ HD Media Player.

all my fails give me disk sector issues, some at about 27% and others 32% and 1 at !4% (The Host), when using anydvd hd.
Except Sky Capt. that one never even shows up at all. not sure what that's all about.

That's how i am doing things.
Edited by vduke300 - 9/12/13 at 3:24am
post #445 of 488
Thanks for replying. For grins you might try ImgBurn and/or IsoPuzzle to re-rip any of your failed discs, to see if you get a better (or different) rip result.

Do you rip with AnyDVDHD using the "leave protection intact" setting, or are your rips decrypted in that process? Can you see any flaws on the disc surface or in the clear material at these approx points?
post #446 of 488
My two Paramount releases, Sky Captain and Into the Wild played with no problems.

Most surprising, I had an unopened Full Metal Jacket (red box, not white) sitting around and it plays perfectly. I've had better luck than most people with just two casualties. I may stumble upon more HD-DVD's since they're mixed with the Blu-rays and DVDs.
post #447 of 488
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

I've had better luck than most people with just two casualties.
Yeah I've been one of the puzzled skeptics here cuz I've had NO failures (that I know of). Recently I watched Disc One (Final Cut) of the great, classic Blade Runner and it played great, but when I read about "fogging" and look again in my 5-Disc case I do see fogging, and the Disc 1 itself frankly looks like it's made some rental store rounds or some doggone thing like that with a few scratches and some (so far surface) fogginess. So I've copied it to my HDD and will back it up.

It seems to me that quite some time ago I tried to figure out which of the Warner discs might be EXCLUSIVE TO HD-DVD and at that time in my collection there was only Mutiny on the Bounty which I believe since has made it to Blu-ray.

Do there remain any HD-DVDs in our collections that can not be had on BD??? confused.gif
post #448 of 488
The only HD-DVD I've heard that's not on Blu-ray in America is Forbidden Planet. I could be wrong.

I went through Smallville Season Six and only the second disc is dead. So that's all of the WB discs I own. I still have around 20 more but they're all Universal so I'll assume they're good. I bought around two dozen titles when the format was declared dead.
post #449 of 488
Forbidden Planet is out actually. The last remaining domestic Warner titles not yet released on Blu-ray are The Dukes of Hazzard (I can't imagine this sad rehash will ever arrive) and Smallville: Season Five. There are still 39 Universal titles not yet released domestically on BD (3 scheduled for release) along with 3 from Weinstein: http://forums.highdefdigest.com/blu-ray-software-general-discussion/102203-hd-dvd-exclusives-yet-hit-blu-ray.html

Lots of horror in there that the studios (Universal in particular) would be well advised to release now, if they intend to ever release them at all.
Edited by vinnie97 - 9/21/13 at 3:23am
post #450 of 488
Thanks for that (great) link vinnie97; nice to see someone is keeping track of this.

I think a few people here have had trouble with their Forbidden Planet discs. I checked mine as OK some time ago but will back it up anyway since it's easy to do. I do have a few of those Universal exclusives though haven't seen any Universal failures. Just watched Midnight Run and it was good. I think my fave might be "For Love of the Game" if only for Vin Scully's play-by-play work!

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