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post #1051 of 1176
10/31/12 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by lordx2 View Post

SOLVED:
Sammy - found the solution - and it was so easy - I got 23.97591 with 2 clicks.
Funny enough it is on a thread that you were part of:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1417683/madvr-intel-igp-and-ram-speed/60
Page 4 - post # 71 and #77 - thanks to Renethx

lordx2,

Also check out my and maxleung's post in this same thread here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333324/lets-set-this-straight-no-one-can-do-24p-consistently-well/540_60#post_22197466

I also have a GTS 450 and with the settings and driver version used in the linked post I get 23.97601 consistently! So be careful once you start down this path, but you can get closer!
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post #1052 of 1176
10/31/12 at 12:18pm
Hah yes - however, if I can get a full 2 hour movie to play without a dropped frame - then I am all set!
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post #1053 of 1176
10/31/12 at 12:22pm
After the initial 20 or so dropped frames that occur during the studio logo while the output is being re-synched to 24fps I don't get any other dropped frames, typically.
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post #1054 of 1176
12/3/12 at 7:14am
I thought I would add some flame to the fire. With my A10 5700, set desktop to 23 Hz. Using MPC-BE - 23.976 Hz, catalyst 12.10. But then video stopped playing after a minute. You can't have everything!!
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post #1055 of 1176
12/3/12 at 8:50am
Just installed a MSI GTX650Ti along with the latest Nvidia drivers. With the custom Nvidia resolution set to 23.975 and 1128 I am getting 23.97605 (+/- 0.00006).
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post #1056 of 1176
12/11/12 at 7:17am
On the newer versions of MPC HC or MPC BE - How do I see '1 frame dropped every 5 minutes' text. I don't see it when I view statistics or press Ctrl-J.

And which 23.976 do I pay attention to - framerate or refresh rate?
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post #1057 of 1176
12/11/12 at 7:34am
Refresh rate.


The real question is do you see the dropped frames while watching the movie because that is all that matters.

That said, are you using MadVR or one of the other renderers? EVR-CP is next best, I think. With MadVR this shows up about 3 or 4 lines down in the statistics screen when pressing CNTRL J.
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post #1058 of 1176
12/11/12 at 8:47am
Nope. But I put a film on in the background while I was working and after 1 hr 40 minutes only 1 dropped frame which was at the start. This is with my AMD A6 5400K CPU with integrated graphics smile.gif
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post #1059 of 1176
12/11/12 at 9:06am
So what video renderer are you using? That A6 can utilize madVR, BTW.
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post #1060 of 1176
12/16/12 at 4:16am
I can get 23.976 without any dropped frames on my radeon 7970 with madvr. However I plan on building an htpc early next year and the 7970 is simply too large for the htpc I want to build. Can any/all of the lower AMD 7XXX series cards output 23.976?
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post #1061 of 1176
12/17/12 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by kaibrok View Post

I can get 23.976 without any dropped frames on my radeon 7970 with madvr. However I plan on building an htpc early next year and the 7970 is simply too large for the htpc I want to build. Can any/all of the lower AMD 7XXX series cards output 23.976?

Yes, I am getting great performance out of the ATI 6450... it's a very good choice for a budget build and it goes something like 5-6 hours between frame drops, it has a very accurate clock.
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post #1062 of 1176
12/17/12 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by kaibrok View Post

I can get 23.976 without any dropped frames on my radeon 7970 with madvr. However I plan on building an htpc early next year and the 7970 is simply too large for the htpc I want to build. Can any/all of the lower AMD 7XXX series cards output 23.976?

Every Radeon card supports almost precise 23.976Hz. HD 6570 is a good choice for madVR Jinc3+AR image upscaling @24fps (movies), but HD 7770 is minimum @60fps (videos).
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post #1063 of 1176
12/17/12 at 5:56pm
Im getting 23.98 via my Lumagen, well at least thats what it states. I have a smooth image and no obvious lost frames.
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post #1064 of 1176
12/20/12 at 5:32pm
I just saw this thread while doing research to build an HTPC. I was considering the Intel Core I3 - 3225. Are the dropped frames visible? Are the Intel graphics HD 4000 good enough to avoid this issue?

I'd rather buy an Oppo than spend a grand on HTPC that can't play back a movie correctly.
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post #1065 of 1176
12/20/12 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by Crescent View Post

I just saw this thread while doing research to build an HTPC. I was considering the Intel Core I3 - 3225. Are the dropped frames visible? Are the Intel graphics HD 4000 good enough to avoid this issue?
I'd rather buy an Oppo than spend a grand on HTPC that can't play back a movie correctly.

Yes, the dropped frames are very visible... to me. Maybe not to you.
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post #1066 of 1176
12/20/12 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by Crescent View Post

I just saw this thread while doing research to build an HTPC. I was considering the Intel Core I3 - 3225. Are the dropped frames visible? Are the Intel graphics HD 4000 good enough to avoid this issue?
I'd rather buy an Oppo than spend a grand on HTPC that can't play back a movie correctly.

How do you spend $1000 on a HTPC with an i3-2225?
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post #1067 of 1176
12/20/12 at 5:52pm
Yes. If all you need is BRD playback, get the Oppo. You'll be much happier. I gave up on a i7 HTPC with Intel Graphics and switched to a Dune as a network media player. MUCH happier with it.
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post #1068 of 1176
12/20/12 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by lockdown571 View Post

How do you spend $1000 on a HTPC with an i3-2225?
The question is "Why would you when you can get an I3-3220 for $1,800?" biggrin.gif
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post #1069 of 1176
12/20/12 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by lockdown571 View Post

How do you spend $1000 on a HTPC with an i3-2225?

Silverstone Grandia GD05B - $120 shipped
Seasonic PSU M12II 510W - $80 shipped
MSI Z77MA-G45 mATX MB - $105 shipped
Lite-On Blu-Ray burner 3D IHBS212-08 $115 shipped
Intel Core I3 -3225 HD4000 graphics - $145 shipped
G Skill Ripjaws 8 GB 240 pin DDR3 1600- $41
Scythe Shuriken Cooler - $41
Kingston HyperX 3K 120G SSD - $110
Samsung 2TB EcoGreen F4 - $130
Windows 7 Pro 64 bit upgrade - $99
Gyration keyboard and mouse - $99

$1085
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post #1070 of 1176
12/20/12 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by Crescent View Post

Silverstone Grandia GD05B - $120 shipped
Seasonic PSU M12II 510W - $80 shipped
MSI Z77MA-G45 mATX MB - $105 shipped
Lite-On Blu-Ray burner 3D IHBS212-08 $115 shipped
Intel Core I3 -3225 HD4000 graphics - $145 shipped
G Skill Ripjaws 8 GB 240 pin DDR3 1600- $41
Scythe Shuriken Cooler - $41
Kingston HyperX 3K 120G SSD - $110
Samsung 2TB EcoGreen F4 - $130
Windows 7 Pro 64 bit upgrade - $99
Gyration keyboard and mouse - $99
$1085
Get the Windows 8 Upgrade and use your downgrade option.
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post #1071 of 1176
12/20/12 at 6:12pm
You can get a much better deal on the PSU, HDD, and SSD if you look around. I also don't know why you need a blu-ray burner on an HTPC, but that's your business. rolleyes.gif

If you have a copy of of XP or Vista laying around, you can also get Windows 8 Pro for $40.
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post #1072 of 1176
12/20/12 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by GetGray View Post

Yes. If all you need is BRD playback, get the Oppo. You'll be much happier. I gave up on a i7 HTPC with Intel Graphics and switched to a Dune as a network media player. MUCH happier with it.

Thank you.

I think for that money, I could get an Oppo, a Roku stick for the Oppo and a cheapo laptop for my AV firmware updates. The only thing I'd be stuck with is watching previews.
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post #1073 of 1176
12/21/12 at 5:13pm
Will this work and get perfect playback? This build should allow for some upgrade growth over time....

Antec 300 Black - $65
MSI Z77MA-G45 - $100
Intel Celeron G530 - $49
Seasonic S12II 430w - $70
G Skill ripjaws - $41
Shuriken cooler - $41
Samsung spinpoint F3 1TB - $89
Sapphire Radeon HD 6450 - $40
LG Black WH14NS40 - $55
Windows 7 64 bit upgrade via windows 8 downgrade - $40

$590
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post #1074 of 1176
12/21/12 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by Crescent View Post

Will this work and get perfect playback? This build should allow for some upgrade growth over time....
Antec 300 Black - $65
MSI Z77MA-G45 - $100
Intel Celeron G530 - $49
Seasonic S12II 430w - $70
G Skill ripjaws - $41
Shuriken cooler - $41
Samsung spinpoint F3 1TB - $89
Sapphire Radeon HD 6450 - $40
LG Black WH14NS40 - $55
Windows 7 64 bit upgrade via windows 8 downgrade - $40
$590
d

Assuming the CPU is up to snuff I don't see why not. You'd be far better off though getting a smaller SSD for the same money as the large 1TB hard disk. This thread really isn't about validating design configs though, it's more about 24P playback performance.
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post #1075 of 1176
12/22/12 at 6:12am
You're right. But you did pick up on the reason that I listed the new config. I'm wondering if video processing is offloaded to the Radeon, what's left for the CPU to do? Are you saying that it's inadequate to run Windows 7 64 pro?

I guess the bottom line is are most of the participating forum members in agreement that the Radeon resolves this playback issue?
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post #1076 of 1176
12/22/12 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by Crescent View Post

Will this work and get perfect playback? This build should allow for some upgrade growth over time....
Antec 300 Black - $65
MSI Z77MA-G45 - $100
Intel Celeron G530 - $49
Seasonic S12II 430w - $70
G Skill ripjaws - $41
Shuriken cooler - $41
Samsung spinpoint F3 1TB - $89
Sapphire Radeon HD 6450 - $40
LG Black WH14NS40 - $55
Windows 7 64 bit upgrade via windows 8 downgrade - $40
$590

I don't know if the gpu is going to strong enough. celeron definately won't be strong enough if you plan on using madvr.
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post #1077 of 1176
12/22/12 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by robl45 View Post

I don't know if the gpu is going to strong enough. celeron definately won't be strong enough if you plan on using madvr.

The GPU is completely fine for full 1080P blu-ray bit-rate movie playback and the 6450 actually had the overall most accurate frame-rate when Anandtech tested video cards a couple of years ago.

The 6450 will also pass DTS-MA and all of the other digital sources with no issues.

The only "issue" I have with the GPU is that at the beginning of some AVC movies you will get a couple of green or out of sync frames, but the movie is fine for the entire remaining duration, so it's not worth worrying about.
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post #1078 of 1176
12/22/12 at 7:19am
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Originally Posted by Crescent View Post

You're right. But you did pick up on the reason that I listed the new config. I'm wondering if video processing is offloaded to the Radeon, what's left for the CPU to do? Are you saying that it's inadequate to run Windows 7 64 pro?
I guess the bottom line is are most of the participating forum members in agreement that the Radeon resolves this playback issue?

The CPU still has a LOT to do, if you run XBMC the CPU is responsible for a lot of the page rendering, scanning, plug-in speed, etc, and you will get faster artwork pop-ups, etc, if you have a more capable GPU. The i3 is a little more money but it's a great CPU for an HTPC.
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post #1079 of 1176
12/22/12 at 7:21am
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

The GPU is completely fine for full 1080P blu-ray bit-rate movie playback and the 6450 actually had the overall most accurate frame-rate when Anandtech tested video cards a couple of years ago.
The 6450 will also pass DTS-MA and all of the other digital sources with no issues.
The only "issue" I have with the GPU is that at the beginning of some AVC movies you will get a couple of green or out of sync frames, but the movie is fine for the entire remaining duration, so it's not worth worrying about.

yea so is the gt430 according to everyone until you pair it with madvr and try to watch 3d. if I do it again, I would go a little overkill on the gpu.
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post #1080 of 1176
12/22/12 at 8:07am
Why is 24p seen as such a huge issue ?

Three times this week I have read in other threads where people have stated they want to stay away from HTPC because it can not do 24p properly.

I think this whole thing is getting blow out of proportion.
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