Let's set this straight - No one can do 24p consistently well - Page 31

ReClock is confusing you there. Even if it says its setting speed to 24fps, it always matches it to the actual refresh rate. Ignore that text.
As long as ReClocks icon is green, its doing its job properly, no matter what it says in that text field.

Yes, you are right.

It is a confusing message from Reclock which for some reason James never wanted to fix

http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=142863&postcount=3

http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?p=155937&highlight=24p+cinema#post155937

interesting.

but then the real issue is isn't reclock supposed to handle the fact that things aren't matched perfectly? if they were, we wouldn't need reclock in the first place. I mean, if the refresh rate is off a bit, say 23.71 like nvidia typically does if you don't do custom rate, it should be able to resample the audio and make it right. Thats not what I've experience though, you have to get the rate almost dead on for reclock to work.

If MadVR and Reclock solves the issue of this thread (I am skeptical becase if it did and was that simple this would all be a non-issue), then what are its downsides?

Dowsides as related to source direct as possible playback? Player/file type compatibility? Load on integrated GPUs?

1) You need a GPU in the mid-range or better (GT430/GT440, HD4000, 5550HD, etc). Low end dGPUs, Intel IPGs below the HD4000 (HD2000/HD2500/HD3000) and AMD's Brazos APUs are not suitable.

2) AFAIK only GUI challenged players like MPC-HC support madVR + Reclock. J River Media Center (JMC) has a similar audio renderer which offers the same feature (as well as outstanding music playback) and also supports madVR, while also offering a decent "jukebox" browsing UI.

If you're thinking about looking into this more I'd recommend doing a JMC trial. IMO, they provide the best HTPC A/V experience (if you can accept the sparse OSD and lack of BD menus).

No source direct.

Reclock will work whatever the difference in rates. of course the more extreme the difference the more the audio pitch is changed. You can even use Reclock to correct the pitch unfortunately the side effects of this are worse than the pitch problem. No need to worry about pitch correction though when simply correcting inaccurate 23.976 rate by your GPU or switching to/from 24/23.976.

If you have problems with Reclock not "working" we would need to understand what you mean by that.

+1

But I still use Reclock with TMT5 for "full menu" and 3D Blu-ray playback.

You can't bitstream either, which is another side effect.

Not only madVR but also DXVA using EVR with Cyberlink, Arcsoft and more renderers. Anyway they eventually do not run as perfect as madVR in your setup they benefit from ReClock in the same way.
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Edited by blaubart - 8/27/12 at 7:48am

That is true, but in either case (Reclock/JMC) you get WASAPI output w/ the correct number of channels set.

Honestly I'm not sure which Intel GPU Ihave. Can you tell from below?

I really prefer to stick with a good jukebox like MyMovies. If I'm going to give up the nice interface, I might as well go back to a Dune player and skip the warts of the HTPC.

Not sure what it was with my Sandy HD3000 maybe the laptop driver. I think a HD3000 in a HTPC performing the 23.973 like assasin's would do it better with ReClock.

But I anyway stay old-school and free - a good Graphics card, a good AVR+TV and please no ReClock at all..
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Edited by blaubart - 8/27/12 at 10:59am

TBC, those comments were only for madVR use. SNB/IVB + EVR is quite good and doesn't have the same HW caveats, it primarily lacks the flexibility to choose the VP algorithm that you prefer.

HD2000.

JMC's 10' media browsing UI is similar to MM. It has wall/list/coverflow views w/ fanart, text, posters, etc., but IMO it's not quite as nice (but improving) as some other HTPC UIs.

I’m not sure what you mean by “source direct” do you mean bitstreaming?

For ReClock to work correctly, you need to do the decoding to LPCM on your CPU (LAV Audio is bitperfect) and then have it resample the audio. If your output supports it (most should now) you can have ReClock upsample the audio to 24-bit, 192kHz so the resampling should be transparent.

Enable WASAPI output in ReClock to have it switch speaker output to match the number of channels in the source. I’m currently waiting on some more parts for my PC, but when I get that up and running again, I will write a guide for ReClock, madVR & MPC-HC if people want.

I don’t personally use a graphical front-end on my HTPC—I type in the disc name, and it automatically opens the “index.bdmv’ file, starting the film directly. (I actively do not want to deal with disc menus) I’m sure that most library management software will let you set a custom player though.

As for GPU load, you may be able to get away with using Bilinear on chroma/luma upsampling, though it won’t be very good quality. One of the advantages of madVR is the option to use advanced upsampling algorithms that rival—or best—stand-alone devices, though it will requite a dedicated GPU.
For what it’s worth, there are virtually no commercial discs where audio pitch has been corrected. The films are generally sped up/down without any sort of correction, so there is no need to enable time stretching. (it is really obvious if a 25p film has been corrected, and you then slow it down)
Personally I have never been able to get ReClock to work well with these players at all. There were always audio pops & clicks, or stuttering issues.

The playback device just decodes, w/o scaling, DI or any VP.

If you don't even get EVR + MPC-HC to run smooth/clean with ReClock your setup must be kind of insane somewhere. You should try not to be too fixated on some special 'perfect' setup but be willing to try more around - i.e. try any PC with any display (+settings) you can access somehow and let them play with MPC and filters and try other software you never tried before.. May need a while I know, but writing a million words in forums too..

Found this: The proof of the pudding is in the eating - sorry for my poor english.

he was talking about other players not running well with reclock.

For most people, especially many on this thread, they would be very happy using XBMC, nice interface and very easy to use. 24p play doesn't work correctly for most video cards, but people here don't seem to care about that. or xbmc can be used with external player like mpc-hc with reclock and then it works correctly.

watch this:

Well, I know it's a personal issue but based on what Andy said, my intel (HD2000) can't swing it (MadVR + reclock) anyway. I'm dead set on a silent client unit because my rack is in my theater and I want NO noise from it. I am currently in a HTIQ fannless heatpipe case that I've been happy with. No fan. No noise. So unless there is a fanless dedicated GPU that is a substantial improvement over my SB motherboard integrated GPU, I'll sit it out for a while longer and see what happens.

All people setting 'NO noise' = 'fanless' I ask the same question - how far is your ear away from the machine?
A slow spinning big fan is no more hearable at about >20" (50cm) and does MUCH more cooling compared to fanless.

Even if it's night, you are living outside a city watching a silent movie without music.
And using a slow spinning big fan you have MUCH more flexibility in designing your HTPC.

Hmm but what I also heared, in America they all have those 2000 Watt air conditioner's cooling the room down to 61°F (16°C)?

I find fanless to be a waste of money and time, a 120mm cooler spinning at 400-500rpm is inaudible from 1 meter away at 2AM in the night. My 2.5 laptop drive will make more noise than it.

agreed.

My PSU with a 14cm fan makes VERY little noise.
My 12cm push pull fans also make very little noise in the case.

It is the stock fan on my 6850 GPU that makes the most noise. With all that plastic covering it I have no idea what or how to change it.

they make a fanless gt430 gpu if you really need fanless, I guess it depends where the equipment is, if its behind your head, maybe you would hear it. I carry my computer downstairs to hook up to my projector and its at the front of the room so its barely audible, especially over the speakers.

Passively cooled dGPU generally still require active cooling in the chassis unless it is designed to support that use case.

IMO completely passive builds are usually unnecessary for a "slient*" HTPC with some planning and careful component selection, especially when using an IPG/APU.

* can't hear it from > 1 or 2' away

I use a passive 7750, works just fine.
Besides that, i have a 120mm CPU fan with a low-noise adapter for slower speeds, and a 180mm case fan. I hear nothing at all. Granted, the things looks more like a PC then a HTPC, but thats not something i cared about (its a Silverstone TJ08B-E)

I think I struck a nerve . I didn't mean to send this onto a quiet PC tangent. Its great many of you can't hear your PC fans. I'm pretty sentive to it. There is no "day" or "night" in my theater. Time of day has no relevance. My room is built as walls and ceiling inside walls (completely decoupled), I have 200 lb sound doors, and the walls are made of double 5/8" drywall with green glue inbetween. The HVAC is engineered to prevent sound transmission and even the registers make no noise, not a whisper. I can hear the tiny fan on my Tivo that comes on when it powers up, easliy. And you could too in my room. My HTPC client is a 1.5U rackmount and I've never seen a fan running at a speed that would do any good, that I couldn't hear 4-5 feet away which is where my seat is from the rack. I could put some together though if the perfect playback was really a possiblity.

I'm not reall keen to invest in a dedicated GPU, which may mean a complete PC rebuild adn case change out, just to try the claim that those 2 software components will fix all woes. Not crazy about the audio demux and resampling either, but I'm not a big audio guy and could live with that in the name of flawless video, without ongoing geekware tweaks, adjustments and pain. I do have room for one card in my existing case. If there is a dGPU that can handle it, fit, and work properly I'd be interested in trying it. And if in the end, the playback solution will work with MyMovies juke box. Would it? Still not completely clear on that.

I'm still skeptical that this is a fix. Otherwise as I said before all of this (point of this thread) would become academic. Eveyone woudl be saying Oh, just do thhis and you are fixed. But they are not. What say you Assassin? Your thread.

I can hear the fan in my HTPC.. bearly.. right up to the point were I turn on the system and it is completely drowned out but the audio coming out of my speakers.

I hear ya