Let's set this straight - No one can do 24p consistently well - Page 32

Originally Posted by GetGray 

I think I struck a nerve . I didn't mean to send this onto a quiet PC tangent. Its great many of you can't hear your PC fans. I'm pretty sentive to it. There is no "day" or "night" in my theater. Time of day has no relevance. My room is built as walls and ceiling inside walls (completely decoupled), I have 200 lb sound doors, and the walls are made of double 5/8" drywall with green glue inbetween. The HVAC is engineered to prevent sound transmission and even the registers make no noise, not a whisper. I can hear the tiny fan on my Tivo that comes on when it powers up, easliy. And you could too in my room. My HTPC client is a 1.5U rackmount and I've never seen a fan running at a speed that would do any good, that I couldn't hear 4-5 feet away which is where my seat is from the rack. I could put some together though if the perfect playback was really a possiblity.
I'm not reall keen to invest in a dedicated GPU, which may mean a complete PC rebuild adn case change out, just to try the claim that those 2 software components will fix all woes. Not crazy about the audio demux and resampling either, but I'm not a big audio guy and could live with that in the name of flawless video, without ongoing geekware tweaks, adjustments and pain. I do have room for one card in my existing case. If there is a dGPU that can handle it, fit, and work properly I'd be interested in trying it. And if in the end, the playback solution will work with MyMovies juke box. Would it? Still not completely clear on that.
I'm still skeptical that this is a fix. Otherwise as I said before all of this (point of this thread) would become academic. Eveyone woudl be saying Oh, just do thhis and you are fixed. But they are not. What say you Assassin? Your thread.

If MadVR and Reclock solves the issue of this thread (I am skeptical becase if it did and was that simple this would all be a non-issue), then what are its downsides?

Dowsides as related to source direct as possible playback? Player/file type compatibility? Load on integrated GPUs?

Originally Posted by jong1 

The Sapphire Ultimate HD7750 is fanless, runs very cool and is man enough for any HTPC task you want to throw at it. Works great with MadVR. Whether it fits in your case is another matter!

Originally Posted by chronoptomist 
Enable WASAPI output in ReClock to have it switch speaker output to match the number of channels in the source. I’m currently waiting on some more parts for my PC, but when I get that up and running again, I will write a guide for ReClock, madVR & MPC-HC if people want.

Originally Posted by jong1 

The Sapphire Ultimate HD7750 is fanless, runs very cool and is man enough for any HTPC task you want to throw at it. Works great with MadVR. Whether it fits in your case is another matter!

Originally Posted by blaubart 

'very cool' - not so easy.
Depends also on your geographical position on this world, the lagging of your house and roof, the floor you're living in, seasons like summer/winter and if you're using a 1500 or 3000 Watt air conditioner..

Originally Posted by GetGray 

Anyone know if this can be integrated with MyMovies?

Originally Posted by GetGray 

It's cheap enough at Newegg, but it's a double card. I could with effort fit it. But I forgot about the power requirements on these. 450w req. Pretty sure my silent PS can't swing that, I'd have to open and look, I dont' remember what it came with. Very unlikely. Oh well, still curious whether this is worth the trouble over the Intel and current TMT5.

Originally Posted by GetGray 

Probably gone if it was 5 years ago.
Thanks for the jriver mymovies link, I'll check it out

Originally Posted by robl45 

, but with xbmc i have to use xbmc along with mpc-hc as xbmc can't do 24p playback correctly while keeping audio sync, jriver probably can. not that big of a deal now as there is a remote that works for xbmc and mpc-hc making things relatively smooth.

Originally Posted by RapalloAV 

I'm very new to this so please excuse my ignorance.
I too are using XBMC and have loaded 300 or so BDs only onto it. I use it in conjunction with the Lumagen XS. I have always wondered a bit about the audio sync on 24 material and have had to set the audio delay to 250 on the XBMC and 140 on my Lumagen, thats alot of delay to make it right but it is now pretty good after alot of fiddling.
Are you saying one cant totally rely on XBMC alone to keep or stay in sync by itself and we need to use it with this mpc-hc which I know nothing about? I looked it up but don't really understand whats its all about or even how to integrate it into XBMC, can you help me please?

Originally Posted by robl45 

thats really not a good way to do it with audio delay, may work, might not work, still could get out of sync. plus, how do you watch other material if you have the delay for 24p material? in my case with my card, certain types of encodes worked okay, others were delayed. the thing is it does work sometimes, what would really bother me is the sync function randomly jumping out of sync in the middle of a movie.
for hassle free play, it looks like jriver media center is the best. Otherwise using mpc-hc with reclock along with yatze remote that will control both seemlessly is probably your best bet.

Originally Posted by RapalloAV 

I don't use any other material except BDs ripped. You are right the sync can go out in the middle of a film, I can stop it, restart in the same place and it can be perfect again. Its all very hit and miss.
I don't want to change to Jriver as I really like the skin I'm using on XBMC. It looks like I need to investigate and find someone to help me incorporate mpc-hc with reclock along with yatze remote as you say above. Is this what you have?

Originally Posted by robl45 

yes, that is what I have. likely the sync is going out because you are using sync to display which is basically what reclock and videoclock do but its broken in xbmc for 24p playback, which beautiful for 25fps, and other fps. so it loses sync, then you pause and unpause and can get it to lock again. you can use the OSD to watch the missed counter, if its counting up, it isn't syncing, you can usually pause and unpause a number of times to get it to sync again, unfortunately as I found when watching a movie, it can go out randomly even if you don't do anything.
mpc-hc and yatze remote can work, its a bit of an effort which is why I say its probably easier to just use jriver.

Originally Posted by RapalloAV 

Ive Googled yatze remote and find nothing, what is it?

Originally Posted by robl45 

sorry the name is yatse remote.

Originally Posted by RapalloAV 

Ive just had a look at MPC-HC and it looks like it has alot of sync adjustments that XBMC doesnt even have. What results would one get by just using XBMC with MPC-HC added on?

Originally Posted by robl45 

you would get dropped frames likely, you want to use madvr with reclock with mpc-hc, you would have to set xbmc to use mpc-hc as external player. once you get it all working, it works pretty well although is relatively processor intensive you would also need lav audio and video and a graphics card that can take advantage of hardware acceleration. as I said, honestly a lot of work for something that you can just do easily with jriver and be done. I am testing jriver now, I may switch over to it from xbmc even though I really like the xbmc gui.

Originally Posted by RapalloAV 

Im really in the same boat as you, I really like the look of XBMC and have everything working perfectly and dont want to change. All I have to do is try to get the audio to sync better with the video and at least be consistent. My PC was built only two months ago and is very up to date so should handle all thats thrown at it.
I have had a look at Jriver and dont like the look of it. I might just have to go down the path that you recommend, why didnt you?

Originally Posted by robl45 

I did,I use it now, just more of a hassle dealing with two players than I would prefer and Little annoyances like no resume

Originally Posted by robl45 

a little confused, you aren't a big audio guy and you built a completely soundproof theatre? Each to his own and I'm not judging just a little confused. Like someone else said, once the audio is on, I don't hear the computer, I have a better chance of hearing the projector fan then the computer. at any rate, likely you would need a dedicated GPU to get decent home theatre performance, i'm not really sure why you would build such an intensive theatre and then not want to have the best picture you can?

Originally Posted by RapalloAV 

Oh I see...
What are the hassles of dealing with the two players, I thought once its installed its just running in the background and you can forget it?
What do you mean no resume?

Originally Posted by robl45 

thats really not a good way to do it with audio delay, may work, might not work, still could get out of sync. plus, how do you watch other material if you have the delay for 24p material?

I try to read through this thread looking for consistent clues, whether in codecs, containers, OS's, hardware, pre or post-AE. I also watch for wider reports of it (this thread is only 30 pages and the posts are far from being all unique users). None of the devs bring this up as an issue either. Some users say it's fixed, others not. Some say it's only XBMC, others not.

Not saying by any stretch it may not be present or perceivable for some users, but a common potential scenario hasn't cropped up or developed by consensus here that might point to a root cause....