AMD Llano - THE great HTPC chip? - Page 3

I sure hope that board is not a final product that thing is ugly. Hopefully just an ES.

Regarding final product: I assume you'll see final product at Computex 2011, which starts May 31.

Here's an example of Biostar announcing that they'll be showing A75 chipset motherboards. AFAIK, the A75 chip(set) is for Llano.
In addition "we also showcase a complete line-up of compact, all-in-one, cost effective motherboards that perfectly designed for Home Entertainment PC."

Competition marchs on.

Read more: http://vr-zone.com/computex/biostar-...#ixzz1MkgGLAhj

I see you conveniently left out the cost of a discrete card

Llano looks like it will easily kill all the reasons to get "htpc cards" such as GT430 @ $60+ and everything else in that range.

Anyways the actual price on release will solve the equation by itself.

x-bit labs

Well, it's just a normal motherboard, nothing special. You can use a AM3 cooler for Socket FM1.

Llano顶级A8-3850曝光 主频为2.9Ghz. A bit slow (because of 65W?). There must be a higher-clocked "P" version with 100W TDP.

I hope those game charts don't convince AMD that they can charge as much as a quad core i5.

The sweet spot for a 2.9ghz llano would be under $150. It looks like it take a 3.6ghz amd quad core to match a 3.0ghz core i3.

They need to copy intel and dump the legacy pci slots.

They just copied Intel.

Intel® Desktop Board DZ68DB

what, that sucks. Most of the intel boards I have seen only have the new stuff, I hate legacy stuff.

This is what a board should look like, mATX two pci x16 and two pci express.

Actually every Intel-brand SNB motherboard has at least one PCI slot.

I've held off on upgrading to see what the Llano value proposition is or to take advantage of the price drops in the existing 45 nm Phenoms/whatever. Though the existing two-chip chipset motherboards that are needed for the 45 nm CPUs can't drop in price much because they ARE two chip motherboards. It will be interesting to see what the pricing of A75 motherboards will be - I assume the A75s will undercut the Intel based ones by a little.

PS: I don't know why Intel still devotes circuitry on their "southbridge" chip for PCI, but they do. If Intel continues to do it, so will AMD. I have no use for the PCI slots and would much rather prefer PCIe slots.

H61/H67/P67/Z68 does not support PCI any longer. Those mb with PCI slots have a PCIe to PCI bridge (what a waste!).

- Support For Socket FM1 100W Processors
- AMD A75 Hudson D3 Chipset Supports Native 6 x SATA3, 4 x USB 3.0
- 2 x SATA3 by a third-party chip
- Supports AMD QuadCrossFireX, Dual Graphics
- ASRock XFast USB
- ASRock On/Off Play
- Graphical UEFI
- Cyberlink MedisEspresso 6.5 Trial

From the picture, the mb has 3 PCIe x16 slots (perhaps x8, x8, x4). To call it Extreme, the processor is too weak, unfortunately.

ASRock 990FX Extreme4. Why Extrem4 for Bulldozer and Extreme6 for Llano?

Thanks for the Semi-Accurate blurb.
I pulled down the 900+ page H611 datasheet, something that AMD does not make public.

The legacy PCI Interface does not appear on the simple H61 block diagram. However,
Intel is doing something new to me, namely including legacy PCI or not. From the datasheet, page 58:

2.3 PCI Interface
Note: PCI Interface is only available on PCI Interface-enabled SKUs. However certain PCI Interface signal functionality is available on PCI Interface-disable SKUs, as described below (see Section 1.3 for full details on SKU definition).

And then it goes on to describe the PCI signals or their alternate use for a few of the signals if the part is a PCI Interface-disable SKU.

WRT performance and pricing leaks, I assume there will be more leaks (some dubious) before Computex. Still, a 2.9 GHz A8-3850 should be faster than the 2.6 GHz tri-core Phenom/whatever I'm typing on now.

Check pages 51-53.

- Q67, Q65, B65 (business platform), C202, C204, C206 (server) supports PCI.
- H61, H67, P67, Z68 (desktop) does not support PCI.

Check also, for example, Intel® Desktop Board DH67GD technical product specification, page 13. You will see "PCIe to PCI Bridge" (it's a third-party chip, of course).

Thanks for the corrections and the increase in my knowledge. I think this was the first time I had looked at this chip(set) series documentation. So the the little pop-up .gif block diagram for the H61 is correct: no legacy PCi.

So Intel is doing greater product differentiation than AMD is doing with these APU chipsets.

Have there been any Asrock microATX A75 MBs announced or leaked? The AsRock A75 Extreme6 seems overkill/expensive for my needs.

Yeah, you're right on the product differentiation: I own an Intel P35 based MB. I forget the the reason I bought the P35 specifically.

i really should have stated legacy PCI or no legacy PCI added to the product differentiation.

So, I couldn't figure it out quickly: does the A75 GCH have legacy PCI?

Look at my previous post. A75 (Hudson D3) supports 3 PCI slots.

Thanks.

Any Llano mATX photos yet?

Looks like Llano and Bulldozer prices leaked. I don't know how reliable the source is and I don't read Chinese.
http://diybbs.zol.com.cn/10/11_99045.html

$170 A8-3550P 4MB DDR3-1866 100W 1000mln 226mm2 R6550-400SPUs-594MHz
$150 A8-3550 4MB DDR3-1866 65W 1000mln 226mm2 R6550-400SPUs-594MHz
$130 A6-3450P 4MB DDR3-1866 100W 1000mln 226mm2 R6530-320SPUs-443MHz
$110 A6-3450 4MB DDR3-1866 65W 1000mln 226mm2 R6530-320SPUs-443MHz
$80 A4-3350 2MBDDR3-1866 65W R6410-160SPUs-594MHz
$70 E2-3250 1MB DDR3-1600 65W R6370-160SPUs-443MHz

And they price Bulldozer a bit higher than Sandy Bridge.

EDIT: here is link to other site that has spec table: http://wccftech.com/2011/05/20/amd-b...mation-leaked/

Thanks!

I'm a bottom feeder, so the A6-3450 is in my price range. The ~$110 price for a quad core of unknown clock speed and an iGPU seems OK.

Bulldozer higher than sandy bridge, that's interesting. I wonder if its performing better than initially thought.

You know if we find out the A4 can handle 1080p60 it might be the ultimate bargain HTPC setup. I can't wait for the reviews.

I'm probably going to end up buying the $130 A6-3450P to replace my aging athlon II X2 DDR2 desktop. It should more than double my speed and make a good replacement for my zacate HTPC system in a couple of years when I buy the next wiz bang desktop cpu. Then my zacate will function as my DVR, home automation, and NAS at low power. Oh yeah

By the way, I'm thinking it will be a couple of years before 1080p60 might be a significant portion of the broadcast.