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post #10471 of 16213
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

but I will still stand by my assessment that in my room and my setup I just refer to it as a blistering make you notice me Soundtrack!



The funny thing about this statement is it works no matter which side of the issue you fall on. No matter if you loved or hated this audio track or something between the two extremes, I feel confident that anyone commenting on the matter could describe it as a "make you notice me soundtrack". How can you not notice something SCREAMING at you?
post #10472 of 16213
Well, STID is clipped at filtered at 30hz and TDKR was clipped? and filtered at 20hz. I will take TDKR over this and I have not heard it yet.
post #10473 of 16213
I'm glad that I created such a debate, but I'm tired of people sticking their heads in the sand. See below.
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Originally Posted by wth718 View Post

Not quite.

Oblivion (7.1 DTS-HD MA):
Level - 4 Stars (111.81dB)
Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz)
Dynamics - 4 Stars (25.92dB)


Lots of heavy hitters (and some not quite heavy hitters) have better dynamics.

The Iceman (5.1 TrueHD)
Level - 4 Stars (110.5dB composite)
Extension - 5 Stars (9Hz)
Dynamics - 5 Stars (33.01dB...insane!)

The best in ULF no way ( if it did , it would be all icing) others have that title. Here where talking the "Gauntlet" fidelity, dynamics, coherence and a whole host of words to describe what we may use a little loosely these days ( including myself) " Reference" And even the bass from its lower registers to its upper has a level of complexity that most subs will stumble trying to keep up! So extension no not the last word but I will call the bass in Oblivion worth its Audiophile salt wink.gif

I don't mean this offensively, but you seem to have very little technical capacity or experience for these types of discussions because, instead of proving your point with factual data, you employ flowery language and superlatives. For almost everyone in this forum, such a perspective is the first recourse of the self-described "audiophile." And, no, simply enjoying a presentation doesn't qualify you to speak to its technical merits. The end of your bolded statement above is utter lunacy, a fantastic claim beyond what I've heard or read in many years, and you have really nothing to reinforce your opinion. You're just making things up, I think, because, when presented with data that did not agree with your opinion - specifically the extention, dynamics, level, complexity, and duration of effects in Oblivion compared to other movies - you chose to ignore them outright.

In my PhD program, a professor often says - you can tell a BS'er by how much they write and how little they say. Your comments basically all say nothing other than you liked the presentation. That's fine, but don't try to make it out to be something more important than it is.

Opinions are opinions, and they are not facts; please keep that in mind. The fact is that Oblivion, unlike what you said, doesn't have anywhere near the highest dynamics in movies released in the last two months, much less forever. Dynamics, in this context, means a very specific thing, as does the word reference. Please start using them contextually and appropriately for these discussions. Otherwise, you continue to muddy the waters unnecessarily with verbal diarrhea. (Which, not coincidentally, is precisely what I was describing above.)
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

I found the sound for the Super 8 Train Wreck overhyped and definitely distorted(clipping). It was hard to listen to.

This one I haven't watched yet, but it looks like the trend is that the SQ on the soundtracks of newer releases vary from processor to processor.

Look, once and for all, the clipping has nothing to do with processor. It is present in the mix. There is no speculation - it's how it is. If you can't hear it, that's fine. But, subjective hearing aside, the clipping IS present on the disc's mix. That's the case for STID and the case for Super 8. If you're not going o accept that as fact, I don't know what else to tell you, but I ask that you prove it instead of spewing your unsubstantiated claims time and time again. We put up proof, but you didn't shut up. Now, it's your turn.
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Originally Posted by boarder1995 View Post

If you play back a movie at a low volume and it sounds good, but then turn it WAY up (to reference as we seem to say) and it sounds harsh - it's not the movie track thats bad, it's the playback equipment.

Nothing in my analysis of the clipping in STID is based on volume levels, a processor, or any other piece of equipment. The data on the disc is simply the data on the disc. You might hear it and you might not, based on a whole host of things including your hearing, your speakers, amps, processors, room, humidity, altitude, etc. But, regardless, the clipping is present in the mix.
post #10474 of 16213
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

The funny thing about this statement is it works no matter which side of the issue you fall on. No matter if you loved or hated this audio track or something between the two extremes, I feel confident that anyone commenting on the matter could describe it as a "make you notice me soundtrack". How can you not notice something SCREAMING at you?

Which will indeed be the case sometimes along with teal eek.gif but how your setup handles it will be a major deciding factor in the end both audio and visual. I have a love for cinema and have learned its not going to be roses all the time so I take the good and the bad , this applies to well recorded music as well! My collection contains some of the best examples of both and as the setup got better at extracting better resolution from all, both the good and the bad my enjoyment increased. In the end its the only in my control wink.gif

So until "Pacific Rim"

Enjoy the Movies smile.gif
post #10475 of 16213
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Well, STID is clipped at filtered at 30hz and TDKR was clipped? and filtered at 20hz. I will take TDKR over this and I have not heard it yet.

???That's a good way to go about judging things !
post #10476 of 16213
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

I'm glad that I created such a debate, but I'm tired of people sticking their heads in the sand. See below.
I don't mean this offensively, but you seem to have very little technical capacity or experience for these types of discussions because, instead of proving your point with factual data, you employ flowery language and superlatives. For almost everyone in this forum, such a perspective is the first recourse of the self-described "audiophile." And, no, simply enjoying a presentation doesn't qualify you to speak to its technical merits. The end of your bolded statement above is utter lunacy, a fantastic claim beyond what I've heard or read in many years, and you have really nothing to reinforce your opinion. You're just making things up, I think, because, when presented with data that did not agree with your opinion - specifically the extention, dynamics, level, complexity, and duration of effects in Oblivion compared to other movies - you chose to ignore them outright.

In my PhD program, a professor often says - you can tell a BS'er by how much they write and how little they say. Your comments basically all say nothing other than you liked the presentation. That's fine, but don't try to make it out to be something more important than it is.

Opinions are opinions, and they are not facts; please keep that in mind. The fact is that Oblivion, unlike what you said, doesn't have anywhere near the highest dynamics in movies released in the last two months, much less forever. Dynamics, in this context, means a very specific thing, as does the word reference. Please start using them contextually and appropriately for these discussions. Otherwise, you continue to muddy the waters unnecessarily with verbal diarrhea. (Which, not coincidentally, is precisely what I was describing above.)
Look, once and for all, the clipping has nothing to do with processor. It is present in the mix. There is no speculation - it's how it is. If you can't hear it, that's fine. But, subjective hearing aside, the clipping IS present on the disc's mix. That's the case for STID and the case for Super 8. If you're not going o accept that as fact, I don't know what else to tell you, but I ask that you prove it instead of spewing your unsubstantiated claims time and time again. We put up proof, but you didn't shut up. Now, it's your turn.
Nothing in my analysis of the clipping in STID is based on volume levels, a processor, or any other piece of equipment. The data on the disc is simply the data on the disc. You might hear it and you might not, based on a whole host of things including your hearing, your speakers, amps, processors, room, humidity, altitude, etc. But, regardless, the clipping is present in the mix.

Well now that's just too bad now isn't it. And yes I find your comments extremely offensive and don't remember AVS appointing you to police post rolleyes.gif And if you have an inadequacy to express words of your own why attack my post when I use them to express my view? You take others post far too personal and should pay more attention to the fact you seem to ignore and that this is a Forum! it's all too easy to ignore or skip a post you don't agree with or comment in a less aggressive manner. I do try to treat all here with a level of courtesy and respect , first as an individual and member of AVS and don't appreciate your belittling words at all !
post #10477 of 16213
Here is what TDKR sounds like in my room, recorded by an IPHONE eek.gif At reference with the bass hot.

http://s191.photobucket.com/user/spinefixr/media/newiphone025_zpsbac64e60.mp4.html
post #10478 of 16213
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Here is what TDKR sounds like in my room, recorded by an IPHONE eek.gif At reference with the bass hot.

http://s191.photobucket.com/user/spinefixr/media/newiphone025_zpsbac64e60.mp4.html

Sweet! wink.gif
post #10479 of 16213
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

I'm glad that I created such a debate, but I'm tired of people sticking their heads in the sand. See below.
I don't mean this offensively, but you seem to have very little technical capacity or experience for these types of discussions because, instead of proving your point with factual data, you employ flowery language and superlatives. For almost everyone in this forum, such a perspective is the first recourse of the self-described "audiophile." And, no, simply enjoying a presentation doesn't qualify you to speak to its technical merits. The end of your bolded statement above is utter lunacy, a fantastic claim beyond what I've heard or read in many years, and you have really nothing to reinforce your opinion. You're just making things up, I think, because, when presented with data that did not agree with your opinion - specifically the extention, dynamics, level, complexity, and duration of effects in Oblivion compared to other movies - you chose to ignore them outright.

In my PhD program, a professor often says - you can tell a BS'er by how much they write and how little they say. Your comments basically all say nothing other than you liked the presentation. That's fine, but don't try to make it out to be something more important than it is.

Opinions are opinions, and they are not facts; please keep that in mind. The fact is that Oblivion, unlike what you said, doesn't have anywhere near the highest dynamics in movies released in the last two months, much less forever. Dynamics, in this context, means a very specific thing, as does the word reference. Please start using them contextually and appropriately for these discussions. Otherwise, you continue to muddy the waters unnecessarily with verbal diarrhea. (Which, not coincidentally, is precisely what I was describing above.)
Look, once and for all, the clipping has nothing to do with processor. It is present in the mix. There is no speculation - it's how it is. If you can't hear it, that's fine. But, subjective hearing aside, the clipping IS present on the disc's mix. That's the case for STID and the case for Super 8. If you're not going o accept that as fact, I don't know what else to tell you, but I ask that you prove it instead of spewing your unsubstantiated claims time and time again. We put up proof, but you didn't shut up. Now, it's your turn.
Nothing in my analysis of the clipping in STID is based on volume levels, a processor, or any other piece of equipment. The data on the disc is simply the data on the disc. You might hear it and you might not, based on a whole host of things including your hearing, your speakers, amps, processors, room, humidity, altitude, etc. But, regardless, the clipping is present in the mix.



You have quite the ego don't you? Spewing? It seems like your the one belittling and spewing. I won't stoop that low, but your word isn't gospel. Open your mind instead of your mouth next time, you might learn something.
post #10480 of 16213
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Which will indeed be the case sometimes along with teal eek.gif but how your setup handles it will be a major deciding factor in the end both audio and visual. I have a love for cinema and have learned its not going to be roses all the time so I take the good and the bad , this applies to well recorded music as well! My collection contains some of the best examples of both and as the setup got better at extracting better resolution from all, both the good and the bad my enjoyment increased. In the end its the only in my control wink.gif

So until "Pacific Rim"

Enjoy the Movies smile.gif

I didn't get to see Pacific Rim in theaters, what is the hype for this Blu Ray looking like?
post #10481 of 16213
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

I didn't get to see Pacific Rim in theaters, what is the hype for this Blu Ray looking like?

You missed out. I wanted a Jaeger within 5 minutes of the movie starting. Forget the soundtrack.
post #10482 of 16213
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

You have quite the ego don't you? Spewing? It seems like your the one belittling and spewing. I won't stoop that low, but your word isn't gospel. Open your mind instead of your mouth next time, you might learn something.

Ego is irrelevant. Nube went to the trouble of analyzing the digits and reported his findings, for which I and many others are grateful.

He's obviously annoyed that posts by yourself and Audiofan1 mistakenly attempt to negate his data by blaming the phenomenon on the player or processor or hearing ability or the man on the moon.

He has a simple request; whomever has some contrary theory, please post the data to back it. Otherwise, qualify your posts with the required "in my opinion", so that readers may distinguish actual data from wild guesses.
post #10483 of 16213
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

Ego is irrelevant. Nube went to the trouble of analyzing the digits and reported his findings, for which I and many others are grateful.

He's obviously annoyed that posts by yourself and Audiofan1 mistakenly attempt to negate his data by blaming the phenomenon on the player or processor or hearing ability or the man on the moon.

He has a simple request; whomever has some contrary theory, please post the data to back it. Otherwise, qualify your posts with the required "in my opinion", so that readers may distinguish actual data from wild guesses.

Agreed!
post #10484 of 16213
Does anyone know why some dvd/bluray movies have LFE filters on them?
post #10485 of 16213
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

Ego is irrelevant. Nube went to the trouble of analyzing the digits and reported his findings, for which I and many others are grateful.

He's obviously annoyed that posts by yourself and Audiofan1 mistakenly attempt to negate his data by blaming the phenomenon on the player or processor or hearing ability or the man on the moon.

He has a simple request; whomever has some contrary theory, please post the data to back it. Otherwise, qualify your posts with the required "in my opinion", so that readers may distinguish actual data from wild guesses.


excellent input. If anyone wants to participate in the discussion they shiuld read the above as many times they need until they understand it!
post #10486 of 16213
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

Ego is irrelevant. Nube went to the trouble of analyzing the digits and reported his findings, for which I and many others are grateful.

He's obviously annoyed that posts by yourself and Audiofan1 mistakenly attempt to negate his data by blaming the phenomenon on the player or processor or hearing ability or the man on the moon.

He has a simple request; whomever has some contrary theory, please post the data to back it. Otherwise, qualify your posts with the required "in my opinion", so that readers may distinguish actual data from wild guesses.



My data is as follows: 30 years of AV as my hobby and thousands of hours spent listening to music. To say this isn't processing dependent, at least to some degree is not true. I don't need a graph to tell me what sounds good and what doesn't.
post #10487 of 16213
So, no data then?
post #10488 of 16213
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

My data is as follows: 30 years of AV as my hobby and thousands of hours spent listening to music. To say this isn't processing dependent, at least to some degree is not true. I don't need a graph to tell me what sounds good and what doesn't.

OK, I'll play along:

I've been a musician for nearly 1/2 a century. I've been in studios and around playback systems that redefine fringe.

The accuracy of all playback systems is hardware dependent and no one has ever achieved 100% accuracy. Some are more accurate than others. That discrepancy may or may not be audible, depending on the rest of the system, its calibration, placement in the room, room acoustics, your listening position in the room and who is listening.

I like to think my background and experiences afford me special dispensation when offering my opinion about "how it sounds", but so does my mailman.

Great, now to the subject at hand... All of the above is irrelevant. When the data is analyzed and clipping and high pass filtering are evident, the source is clipped and high pass filtered. Regarding those 2 facts, the processor is irrelevant. The source will be clipped and filtered through any and all processors, none of which can un-clip and un-filter the master through some unknown alien technology.
post #10489 of 16213
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

OK, I'll play along:

I've been a musician for nearly 1/2 a century. I've been in studios and around playback systems that redefine fringe.

The accuracy of all playback systems is hardware dependent and no one has ever achieved 100% accuracy. Some are more accurate than others. That discrepancy may or may not be audible, depending on the rest of the system, its calibration, placement in the room, room acoustics, your listening position in the room and who is listening.

I like to think my background and experiences afford me special dispensation when offering my opinion about "how it sounds", but so does my mailman.

Great, now to the subject at hand... All of the above is irrelevant. When the data is analyzed and clipping and high pass filtering are evident, the source is clipped and high pass filtered. Regarding those 2 facts, the processor is irrelevant. The source will be clipped and filtered through any and all processors, none of which can un-clip and un-filter the master through some unknown alien technology.



So how do you account for the popping sounds thrang heard, if processing has nothing to do with it? I don't mean to drag him into my conversation (sorry thrang) feel free to ask your mailman also.
Edited by comfynumb - 9/20/13 at 11:38am
post #10490 of 16213
I had a chance to rewatch OHF with all subwoofers working and I retract my previous statement. redface.gif
post #10491 of 16213
The popping sounds are an isolated occurrence and specific to Thrang. The clipping and filtering has been measured by different people and it is what it is. There is no denying this!
post #10492 of 16213
I guess so, soft clipping is nothing new as far as movies go. People hear and tolerate things much differently is what I'll take out of this. I would love to hear what Paramount has to say about this.
post #10493 of 16213
The clipping is hard and frequent as measured. While some movies have clipping this is over done but many opinions and measured to confirm.
post #10494 of 16213
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

The popping sounds are an isolated occurrence and specific to Thrang. The clipping and filtering has been measured by different people and it is what it is. There is no denying this!

Yes, there were multiple reasons I borrowed an 8801 from my dealer to test and compare. Forgetting about the snapping sound, which may be limited to Cirrus DSPs, the other issues are baked in. On both the MX151 and the Marantz 8801, the soundtrack was filled with examples of distortion, and is certainty mixed too loud. I also listened on a Denon 20.4, and equally harsh.

To me, the data corroborates what is evident aurally.
post #10495 of 16213
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I guess so, soft clipping is nothing new as far as movies go. People hear and tolerate things much differently is what I'll take out of this. I would love to hear what Paramount has to say about this.

I hope they care, but they may not. That wouldn't change the defective nature of the soundtrack.

Super 8 is similar - as far as I know, that was not recalled or reissued.
post #10496 of 16213
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Originally Posted by Prime316 View Post

You missed out. I wanted a Jaeger within 5 minutes of the movie starting. Forget the soundtrack.

LOL biggrin.gif me too!
post #10497 of 16213
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

I didn't get to see Pacific Rim in theaters, what is the hype for this Blu Ray looking like?

It was my first Atmos( 87ft Imax) experience in a newly finished theater and I perceived what sounded like in the theater for the first time" No filtering in the lows' eek.gif pant chuffs and all, it was simply the best experience I've had in a theater ( I get to one maybe once a year) , and if what I heard is any indication and the home mix follows suit, we are in for a treat wink.gif
post #10498 of 16213
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

Ego is irrelevant. Nube went to the trouble of analyzing the digits and reported his findings, for which I and many others are grateful.

He's obviously annoyed that posts by yourself and Audiofan1 mistakenly attempt to negate his data by blaming the phenomenon on the player or processor or hearing ability or the man on the moon.

He has a simple request; whomever has some contrary theory, please post the data to back it. Otherwise, qualify your posts with the required "in my opinion", so that readers may distinguish actual data from wild guesses.

I don't for one minute think my personal take on "Oblivion" is mistaken regardless of how long the data sheet is! And as much as I appreciate the graphs and data post In the end I can only rely on what I hear and i'm sorry about that. It was just my comments on what I feel best represents (when played back on my set up) a movie with some of the best dynamic range I've heard . If Nube's data shows otherwise do you expect me to change my view? I don't recall saying anyone's hearing was in question. You guys are enthusiast just like me and the rest here and I am in no way required to owe you anything to qualify my post. And as annoyed as I am right now and would really love to respond in the same manner as you and Nube! I'll stop and say I'll agree to disagree and we can still remain gentleman about the matter! smile.gif
post #10499 of 16213
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Originally Posted by Steveo1234 View Post

excellent input. If anyone wants to participate in the discussion they shiuld read the above as many times they need until they understand it!

Have you become an AVS Moderator as well? rolleyes.gif
post #10500 of 16213
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

The clipping is hard and frequent as measured. While some movies have clipping this is over done but many opinions and measured to confirm.



There is barely soft clipping in my theater, let alone hard clipping. I'm at a loss here and have decided to just let this go. I stand by what I said and I'm not the only one who feels this way. Different discs, I don't know what to say. But I'm done smile.gif
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