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post #11761 of 16084
But in all honesty just because Hot Fuzz throughs in a crap ton of unmerited bass that means it gets a 5 star?

I enjoyed it as I am a bass head running my two Submersives +3db, dynamic eq on (ref is too loud for my small room) and a +8db at 30hz to 100hz house curve

But it just seems Oblivion style execution should be the #1 factor. smile.gif
post #11762 of 16084
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

I know you are new here, but read the original post. Flawed or not, people here in THIS thread don't all evaluate bass the exact same way. Some are strictly objective, some subjective, some like me a combo of both and that IS allowed in accordance with the loose structure of this thread no matter if you like it or not or agree with it or not. You are confusing db with this thread and while both are great and have purpose IMO, they are indeed different.

Don't worry, I know where I am. wink.gif

Second post in this thread is a catalog of solely objective data. It's been there from the beginning.

There's no excuse not to constantly be improving our methods.

If the old methods give us a way to tell people with 30Hz highpassed subwoofers that this film is top dawg, then I question why they are relevant here at all.

Let's move forward.
post #11763 of 16084
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Originally Posted by nfraso View Post

Don't worry, I know where I am. wink.gif

Second post in this thread is a catalog of solely objective data. It's been there from the beginning.

There's no excuse not to constantly be improving our methods.

If the old methods give us a way to tell people with 30Hz highpassed subwoofers that this film is top dawg, then I question why they are relevant here at all.

Let's move forward.


Sure, but again with the loose structure of this thread, it is open to interpretation how exactly one grades and evaluates bass and it has been like that for much longer than you have been here which looks to be about 5 months now. wink.gif YOU can grade in this thread however you want, I will continue to grade as I always have which is a combo of objective and subjective.

One thing we can agree on is moving forward though as this is going nowhere.
post #11764 of 16084
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

People seem to be forgetting that Ralph's audio reviews are based on the overall sound and not just the bass.

That's a good point! A few JTR and Danley speaker owners expressed their liking of MOS due to its soundtrack. They have the likes of Captivators to 8 18's for subs
post #11765 of 16084
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

But in all honesty just because Hot Fuzz throughs in a crap ton of unmerited bass that means it gets a 5 star?

I enjoyed it as I am a bass head running my two Submersives +3db, dynamic eq on (ref is too loud for my small room) and a +8db at 30hz to 100hz house curve

But it just seems Oblivion style execution should be the #1 factor. smile.gif


I would not call the bass in Hot Fuzz unmerited though as it had purpose. The purpose of the overdone bass from my reading was to mimic and make fun of the typical action soundtrack that puts bass in nearly everything from a car door slam to an explosion and everything in between. The overdone bass in Hot Fuzz was done purposely and personally I thought worked very well. I love Oblivion as well, but Oblivion style execution in Hot Fuzz or the other way around would not have been as effective IMO for either film.
post #11766 of 16084
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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1498336/man-of-steel-3d-2d-blu-ray-official-avsforum-review

Man of Steel with 5 star bass by reviewer. 100 Audio score. eek.gif Can anyone confirm this?

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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1498336/man-of-steel-3d-2d-blu-ray-official-avsforum-review

Man of Steel with 5 star bass by reviewer. 100 Audio score. eek.gif Can anyone confirm this?

He even specifically states "Low frequency extension" is a maxed out, five star rating.

That's why these reviews are a sham. I don't know why anyone reads them.
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Low frequency effects are applied authoritatively and effectively underscore the bombastic and dramatic aspects of the audio. This mix delivers bass response that can be room shaking as it extends down to lower frequencies that on occasion approach skin tingling regions.

It's just ridiculous nonsense that anyone could write prior to having actually even viewed the disc. rolleyes.gif



The low frequencies drop like a rock at 30Hz, it's extremely dissappointing and these jokes for reviews are helping no one.
These 2 posts seem to be the nexus of this recent ridiculous diatribe.

Guys, this thread is titled, 'The New Master List Of Bass In Movies With Frequency Charts'. It's first and foremost, a bassheads thread, and as such, everyone should more or less understand that the majority of the folks here have pretty different criteria for judging the Bass content in movies.

Bashing a regular reviewers opinions and ratings of Bass vs the criteria here is akin to bashing a car reviewer's opinions of the new Nissan Maxima's acceleration in a "The Fastest Street Mod (No Nitrous) Owners" thread. If someone posted a reviewer mentioning, "the new Nissan Maxima has surprising acceleration" the seasoned posters in that thread should know to take things in context and point out, "yes, it does accelerate well for a new OEM midsize sedan. THIS however, is a thread specifically about the fastest modified cars out there, and we're talking about completely different criteria and classes here".

nfraso,
the appropriate (and classy) response would have been to simply point out that the vast majority of ALL movie reviewers DO NOT review movies from a basshead/ULFtard perspective and as such, those reviews should be viewed in context as having different judgement criteria. In fact, AFAIK, all of the major reviewers DO NOT take measurements of anything they're reviewing, be it Frequency Extension, distortion levels, lowest video black levels, brightest white levels or any such metrics. They're all personal interpretations and opinions.

To criticize his reviews here IS a tasteless move, especially when you talk about his reviews being "a sham", and "jokes for reviews" etc. There are many folks who do appreciate his reviews and even those of us who ARE bassheads and ULFtards understand the concept of taking certain things in context, i.e. his criteria for bass are nowhere as extreme as with most of us here.

You could have simply said, something along the lines of, "This is an extreme bassheads thread. Most reviewers and folks in general don't judge the bass in movies by the extreme criteria we do. The graphs have shown that MoS doesn't have the frequency extension OR levels of what WE consider 5-star bass movies in this thread", and left it at that.


Max
Edited by djbluemax1 - 11/8/13 at 5:28pm
post #11767 of 16084
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post


These 2 posts seem to be the nexus of this recent ridiculous diatribe.

Guys, this thread is titled, 'The New Master List Of Bass In Movies With Frequency Charts'. It's first and foremost, a bassheads thread, and as such, everyone should more or less understand that the majority of the folks here have pretty different criteria for judging the Bass content in movies.

Bashing a regular reviewers opinions and ratings of Bass vs the criteria here is akin to bashing a car reviewer's opinions of the new Nissan Maxima's acceleration in a "The Fastest Street Mod (No Nitrous) Owners" thread. If someone posted a reviewer mentioning, "the new Nissan Maxima has surprising acceleration" the seasoned posters in that thread should know to take things in context and point out, "yes, it does accelerate well for a new OEM midsize sedan. THIS however, is a thread specifically about the fastest modified cars out there, and we're talking about completely different criteria and classes here".

nfraso,
the appropriate (and classy) response would have been to simply point out that the vast majority of ALL movie reviewers DO NOT review movies from a basshead/ULFtard perspective and as such, those reviews should be viewed in context as having different judgement criteria. In fact, AFAIK, all of the major reviewers DO NOT take measurements of anything they're reviewing, be it Frequency Extension, distortion levels, lowest video black levels, brightest white levels or any such metrics. They're all personal interpretations and opinions.

To criticize his reviews here IS a tasteless move, especially when you talk about his reviews being "a sham", and "jokes for reviews" etc. There are many folks who do appreciate his reviews and even those of us who ARE bassheads and ULFtards understand the concept of taking certain things in context, i.e. his criteria for bass are nowhere as extreme as with most of us here.

You could have simply said, something along the lines of, "This is an extreme bassheads thread. Most reviewers and folks in general don't judge the bass in movies by the extreme criteria we do. The graphs have shown that MoS doesn't have the frequency extension OR levels of what WE consider 5-star bass movies in this thread", and left it at that.


Max

Agreed 1000%.
post #11768 of 16084
Good post, djbluemax1.

So i repeat......

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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

People seem to be forgetting that Ralph's audio reviews are based on the overall sound and not just the bass.

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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Still, he's not looking for 100db at 2hz like this thread is to qualify for reference bass.
post #11769 of 16084
WOW! Came home, poured myself a nice, cold, 1 pint, 6 fluid ounce Stone Brewery "Sublimely Self Righteous Ale" (8.7 Alc/Vol........goooooood stuff!) and proceeded to peruse my favorite forums. This thread has gone ballistic!

I just want to remind y'all regardless of which side of Ralph's review you sit upon that the "name" of this thread is........."The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts". It doesn't say "Ultra Low Frequency" bass but simply "The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts".

Don't get me wrong........I appreciate as do many of you here the awesome benefits of ULF as it relates to how a movie comes across. But again, this thread is NOT "just" about ULF. I'm sure that there are allot of folks who lurk here that have systems that do not go down to single digits and the reason they're here is simple......... they want to know how certain movies will excite their subs.

My suggestion, though it's not really mine as it has been mentioned here more than once, is to maybe start another thread that specifically deals with ULF. That way, there will be much less or maybe even no confusion as to what is being discussed. I personally would subscribe to both.

Just sayin......
Edited by Torqdog - 11/8/13 at 6:25pm
post #11770 of 16084
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Originally Posted by eNoize View Post



Just watched 'Frankenstein's Army' and wow! eek.gif
The movie is a constant barrage of bass ranging from the upper to mid area for most of the time, but several moments hit below 20Hz with great authority.

Majority of the movie is like this:


00.00.59 - 00.01.43


00.15.25 - 00.16.01


But many scenes rock the house nicely, such as . . .

00.19.30 - 00.20.04



00.20.40 - 00.21.09


00.27.18 - 00.28.54


00.31.20 - 00.32.32


00.49.00 - 00.49.53


01.15.00 - 01.15.40


And probably the best scene of all is when Nazi Propeller-Head appears (00.59.09 - 00.50.42)
I got this in today from netflix to my surprise as an extra and will post back later, from the looks of certain timestamps it should be a goodtime cool.gif


Thanks for the graphs and the heads up wink.gif
post #11771 of 16084
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

I got this in today from netflix to my surprise as an extra and will post back later, from the looks of certain timestamps it should be a goodtime cool.gif


Thanks for the graphs and the heads up wink.gif


I am actually in the same boat. tongue.gif Just got this today from Netflix as an extra since they had to ship it from another ship center. Doing a double feature with this and I Spit On Your Grave 2 tonight.
post #11772 of 16084
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

I got this in today from netflix to my surprise as an extra and will post back later, from the looks of certain timestamps it should be a goodtime cool.gif


Thanks for the graphs and the heads up wink.gif

You had better know how to repair drywall....that looks like a woodframe house's worst nightmare if played at Ref.

JSS
post #11773 of 16084
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

I am actually in the same boat. tongue.gif Just got this today from Netflix as an extra since they had to ship it from another ship center. Doing a double feature with this and I Spit On Your Grave 2 tonight.

Strange huh! same thing and on " I Spit On Your Grave 2" wife had me watch the first many years back eek.gif needless to say , I'll put part 2 in the que wink.gif
post #11774 of 16084
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Originally Posted by maxmercy View Post

You had better know how to repair drywall....that looks like a woodframe house's worst nightmare if played at Ref.

JSS

This is gonna be so cool cool.gif and a Saturday of repairs may indeed be in order. I just hope I paid attention the two times I actually did do drywall repair with someone who knew what they were doing biggrin.gif
post #11775 of 16084
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

I would not call the bass in Hot Fuzz unmerited though as it had purpose. The purpose of the overdone bass from my reading was to mimic and make fun of the typical action soundtrack that puts bass in nearly everything from a car door slam to an explosion and everything in between. The overdone bass in Hot Fuzz was done purposely and personally I thought worked very well. I love Oblivion as well, but Oblivion style execution in Hot Fuzz or the other way around would not have been as effective IMO for either film.

I could adopt that perspective I guess. Of course it doesn't incline preference though smile.gif
post #11776 of 16084
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

I could adopt that perspective I guess. Of course it doesn't incline preference though smile.gif

True and good point.

Frankensteins Army did not disappoint! eek.gif Total bass fest of a film and I thought it was a lot of fun!
post #11777 of 16084
Dang I just looked at the F Army graphs!!!! That looks nuts! As MM said it might do some damage to the house. I am flat to 7hz so eek.gif

I might need to go into my mini dsp and bypass my low shelf filter rolleyes.gif
post #11778 of 16084
'Man of Steel' is quite the bassy movie, except that's it's mostly located above 32Hz and maintained with the mid areas. Not bad, but just not much in the ULF department. The following are taken directly from the BD, and all are from the beginning of the movie during Zod's coup and Krypton's destruction.

00.07.15 - 00.07.46


00.11.05 - 00.11.35


00.15.10 -00.15.37


00.17.23 - 0018.01


00.19.00 - 00.19.24 (Krypton explodes)
post #11779 of 16084
Looks pretty weak.
post #11780 of 16084
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Looks pretty weak.

Yea bout opposite of the Frankenstein army!
post #11781 of 16084
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

True and good point.

Frankensteins Army did not disappoint! eek.gif Total bass fest of a film and I thought it was a lot of fun!
Yep!

You wouldn't think you'd like the movie but I actually did, in some way it managed to be alright for what it was and I laughed out loud on a few scenes!

As for its already more than peak a bass heads interest after viewing the graph factor biggrin.gif It's a big bowl of bass with some cool infrasonic ULF bass for the bass head with the discerning palate cool.gif
so buckle up and rent this one for the bass and you may or may not enjoy the movie wink.gif
post #11782 of 16084
So we can challenge and question each others comments/posts but we're out of line for speaking about what a reviewer wrote? I don't think so. Anyway...I saw the new Thor movie yesterday. Could be a slammer when it comes to BD.
Edited by kemiza - 11/9/13 at 6:44am
post #11783 of 16084
I hope so. The year has ended badly.plus most marvel movies are filtered.
post #11784 of 16084
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Originally Posted by missyman View Post

I hope so. The year has ended badly.plus most marvel movies are filtered.

+1..............99% it will be fkn filtered. Their movies lately have sucked balls in the bass department lately.
post #11785 of 16084
This is neither here nor there, but just my own personal observation. I have all the 5 star movies and most on the 4 and 4.5 list. I have dual Orbit Shifters EQ'd and capable of sufficient volume below 20Hz. I've read all the discussions and arguments about bass, the ratings, ULF etc. I've come to the conclusion that I'm easily a 20Hz and up kind of guy. I much prefer the bass you can hear AND feel. The ULF..warble...ripple stuff really doesn't do much for me personally.......it's still cool......but I don't think I'd mind if there was a 20Hz filter on anything. I def do not want the 30Hz filters......i wish those were never even a consideration by the sound design folks mad.gif

So I love the loud, dynamic, visceral, strong, well done 20Hz and above stuff by far and don't mind the occasional overblown stuff like Hot Fuzz because it's purely intentional and I get it.
post #11786 of 16084
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

This is neither here nor there, but just my own personal observation. I have all the 5 star movies and most on the 4 and 4.5 list. I have dual Orbit Shifters EQ'd and capable of sufficient volume below 20Hz. I've read all the discussions and arguments about bass, the ratings, ULF etc. I've come to the conclusion that I'm easily a 20Hz and up kind of guy. I much prefer the bass you can hear AND feel. The ULF..warble...ripple stuff really doesn't do much for me personally.......it's still cool......but I don't think I'd mind if there was a 20Hz filter on anything. I def do not want the 30Hz filters......i wish those were never even a consideration by the sound design folks mad.gif

So I love the loud, dynamic, visceral, strong, well done 20Hz and above stuff by far and don't mind the occasional overblown stuff like Hot Fuzz because it's purely intentional and I get it.

Hmmmm, that sounds weird.

That warble ripple stuff sounds freaking amazing at my place on my Quad Submersives lol.

I can literally feel my insides shake while the room pressurises...especially when I played OHF at reference, everyone who comes over I play that scene and they just can't beleive how intense and deep the bass goes. I for one hope for no filter...........so that way everyone can enjoy it.
post #11787 of 16084
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Originally Posted by buddhamus View Post

Hmmmm, that sounds weird.

That warble ripple stuff sounds freaking amazing at my place on my Quad Submersives lol.

I can literally feel my insides shake while the room pressurises...especially when I played OHF at reference, everyone who comes over I play that scene and they just can't beleive how intense and deep the bass goes. I for one hope for no filter...........so that way everyone can enjoy it.

Talking about the monument collapse? Did you play at reference? Running subs hot or flat with other speakers? I've played it but -8 from ref was as loud as I had it I think. I'll hafta to replay at reference if I can take it that loud tongue.gif

I'd rather NO filters as well, just don't think I'd mind or notice if there was a 20Hz filter in a nicely done bass movie.........again I just don't think I dig the ULF stuff as much as others.
post #11788 of 16084
Yep, The Monument scene!.

I have 3x Seaton Sound Catalyst 12C's for the front stage and the 4 x Submersives running 3db hot ................felt beautiful to my ears and yeah it does get loud...mind you...my wife and kid werent home. If they were home, Id be watching it at -16 lol.

Have you measured your room?........Could be an issue with the ULF frequencies in your room. Every room will have it's problems. Lot's of variables.
post #11789 of 16084
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Originally Posted by buddhamus View Post

Yep, The Monument scene!.

I have 3x Seaton Sound Catalyst 12C's for the front stage and the 4 x Submersives running 3db hot ................felt beautiful to my ears and yeah it does get loud...mind you...my wife and kid werent home. If they were home, Id be watching it at -16 lol.

Have you measured your room?........Could be an issue with the ULF frequencies in your room. Every room will have it's problems. Lot's of variables.

Yes......XT32'd but am not running the OSs hot at all. Then I've used Omni Mic to measure total response and have nice response below 20.
post #11790 of 16084
Man, I just saw ohf. Man, seriously intense bass. I haven't fit my gut shook continuously like that in a while. 6 stars.
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