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post #11821 of 16212
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Not running the OS hot at all? No house curve? Not even the "THX" recommended +10db LFE bump?

I didn't know they recommended +10? I run my dual submersives +3 and scenes like the super lycan or the Hulk final fight are RIDICULOUS! I couldn't imagine +10 though, that would be way too much and way overbalanced after Audyssey. I will say I have to turn up after Audyssey even with my house curve and dynamic EQ on. Movies +3 and music is +6-9...

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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

I leave Dynamic EQ on right now, but for those w/ Audyssey and running their subs hot, do you still leave Dynamic EQ on for when listening below ref, or do you turn it off full time?

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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

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after just getting xt32 and audyssey cal. I noticed with REW i needed to bump up the sub 4db. Sounds awesome!!

Dynamic EQ has ZERO effect at reference. It is a sliding scale per volume. Imagine a flat line horizontally, then imagine a line creating an acute triangle that at reference is flat but the farther it goes back to the left it drops. That is dynamic EQ. I couldn't imagine not using it.

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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

When my general listening volume was around -15db, I kept Dynamic EQ on while running my subs hot.  Once I started to listen at reference volume, I turned it off because I didn't need it anymore.  I think the higher the master volume is set, the less Dynamic EQ has to alter the signal. 

You could just leave it on because like I said no effect at reference. But if you want some quieter subtle music while you sit down and check emails or surf AVS and have it at -30 or whatever below you would want it.



I run dual submersives +3db hot, dynamic EQ on and a rising house curve to 30hz then flat on back to the singles...

Edited by jlpowell84 - 11/10/13 at 4:35pm
post #11822 of 16212
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Originally Posted by Cowboys View Post

^^are you getting all of that going from XT to XT32? Are you using a miniDSP or similar on top of XT32? Do you notice your speakers sound better too? Between Dredd and OHF, try OHF first.

I use audyssey on top of minidsp. It teally takes the pEq of the dsp and runs with it

When i had xt it really messed up my FR

With xt32 everything just sounds much clearer from bass to mids to highs. Glad i made the upgrade. Worth every dime

Think ill rock some 3d dredd for tonights rewatch movie (we need more movies to be release smile.gif )
post #11823 of 16212
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

I vote Dredd. Neither are Oscar winners, but Dredd is the better movie. Barely.

+1

Classroom scene.................nice!
post #11824 of 16212
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Not running the OS hot at all? No house curve? Not even the "THX" recommended +10db LFE bump?

I didn't know they recommended +10? I run my dual submersives +3 and scenes like the super lycan or the Hulk final fight are RIDICULOUS! I couldn't imagine +10 though, that would be way too much and way overbalanced after Audyssey. I will say I have to turn up after Audyssey even with my house curve and dynamic EQ on. Movies +3 and music is +6-9...

It's almost guaranteed that your AVR or pre/pro automatically adds the +10dB to the LFE channel if you're using bass redirection with a crossover frequency. That's why running +10dB hotter would be overkill for most people.

As for your frequency graph, it looks nice, but can you post one that just goes from 5Hz to your XO frequency, with no smoothing, so I can drool over it? wink.gif No need to remeasure to do that, FYI. You can just load the measurements in REW and resize the display to the frequencies you want.

cr136124,

Totally +1 on the classroom scene, although I might have to +3 to the Washington Monument scene in OHF. wink.gif
post #11825 of 16212
I havent ran the full setup of Audessy on my onkyo818, just because my room isnt done so theres not really any point, it will just change when I get the drywall up, carpet in etc etc, but one thing I do notice is, it seems like my receiver boosts the LFE even though I have Dyn EQ turned off in the settings. The THX Amazing Life demo on one of Superleos demo discs sounds way better if I turn it down a bit from Ref, the part where the mushroom cap thingies thump hit a lot harder at lower volumes. After running the quick setup I turn the subs up a bit on the gain dials on the back to 3o'clock.
Im going to have to rewatch OHF, I dont remember the bass scene with the monument, but I think it was because my sister had dropped by and was blathering on around that scene when I watched it.
post #11826 of 16212
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

It's almost guaranteed that your AVR or pre/pro automatically adds the +10dB to the LFE channel if you're using bass redirection with a crossover frequency. That's why running +10dB hotter would be overkill for most people.

As for your frequency graph, it looks nice, but can you post one that just goes from 5Hz to your XO frequency, with no smoothing, so I can drool over it? wink.gif No need to remeasure to do that, FYI. You can just load the measurements in REW and resize the display to the frequencies you want.

cr136124,

Totally +1 on the classroom scene, although I might have to +3 to the Washington Monument scene in OHF. wink.gif

You bet Nube lol! Tomm though as I am not home
post #11827 of 16212
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Originally Posted by Slingblayde View Post

I havent ran the full setup of Audessy on my onkyo818, just because my room isnt done so theres not really any point, it will just change when I get the drywall up, carpet in etc etc, but one thing I do notice is, it seems like my receiver boosts the LFE even though I have Dyn EQ turned off in the settings. The THX Amazing Life demo on one of Superleos demo discs sounds way better if I turn it down a bit from Ref, the part where the mushroom cap thingies thump hit a lot harder at lower volumes. After running the quick setup I turn the subs up a bit on the gain dials on the back to 3o'clock.
Im going to have to rewatch OHF, I dont remember the bass scene with the monument, but I think it was because my sister had dropped by and was blathering on around that scene when I watched it.

IIRC all the menu scenes on Superleo's demo disc run hotter. This is the way he designed them on that disc. Now, when you are actually watching / listening one of the demo scenes, they are actually reproduced at the same levels of the original bluray disc.
post #11828 of 16212
If the source encodes the effects in the .1 lfe channel your receiver will boost it 10 db (depending if its DD or DTS). Same effects sent encoded in other channels will not get the boost.
post #11829 of 16212
What software are you guys using to analyze?

I tried searching around for it, but didn't really find anything useful. Could you point me in the right direction?
post #11830 of 16212
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Originally Posted by clausdk View Post

What software are you guys using to analyze?

I tried searching around for it, but didn't really find anything useful. Could you point me in the right direction?

The software is called Spectrum Lab. Its website is: http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html.

It's pretty hard to get setup to use, so here are some instructions: http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/19-speclab-waterfall-scene-capture-tutorial/

However, that 2nd link is for graphing scenes through your AVR & system. I recommend you do the digital capture method, which is outlined in this thread - it gets every bit of content encoded on the disc. Just search for Speclab tutorial, or graph tutorial or something. The user "desertdome" has posted extensively on it in both this thread and this sub forum.
post #11831 of 16212
Thanks for that, did run across that program actually. and it did look pretty hard to set up:)

I'll read the guide and try it out, thanks!
post #11832 of 16212
My problem with Dynamic EQ is that it squashes dynamics and bloats my bass. I don't listen at reference but i do at -10mlv. When i a/b a scene with gunshot or the like with dynamic EQ engaged the dynamic of the scene aren't as scary so to speak since everything else is also turned up. With it disengaged the dynamics are back in all there glory. I understand how the louder u turn it up the less Dyn EQ effects it but still. I prefer no Dyn EQ to maximize dynamics
post #11833 of 16212
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Originally Posted by Reddig View Post

My problem with Dynamic EQ is that it squashes dynamics and bloats my bass. I don't listen at reference but i do at -10mlv. When i a/b a scene with gunshot or the like with dynamic EQ engaged the dynamic of the scene aren't as scary so to speak since everything else is also turned up. With it disengaged the dynamics are back in all there glory. I understand how the louder u turn it up the less Dyn EQ effects it but still. I prefer no Dyn EQ to maximize dynamics

I thought this is what Dynamic Volume does - I always turn that off.
post #11834 of 16212
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Originally Posted by raynist View Post

I thought this is what Dynamic Volume does - I always turn that off.

I get bout similar results with either but I can't speaker for Dyn Vol cause I havnt messed with it for a while. I leave both off but YMMV
post #11835 of 16212
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Originally Posted by Reddig View Post

My problem with Dynamic EQ is that it squashes dynamics and bloats my bass. I don't listen at reference but i do at -10mlv. When i a/b a scene with gunshot or the like with dynamic EQ engaged the dynamic of the scene aren't as scary so to speak since everything else is also turned up. With it disengaged the dynamics are back in all there glory. I understand how the louder u turn it up the less Dyn EQ effects it but still. I prefer no Dyn EQ to maximize dynamics

I found the exact same thing. But then I turned down the gains on my amps just a bit to make sure the add the added levels dynamic eq applies were accounted for. Now I have the best of both worlds. It really is a useful option--you just have to recongnize what it's doing and tweak accordingly.
post #11836 of 16212
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Originally Posted by wth718 View Post

I found the exact same thing. But then I turned down the gains on my amps just a bit to make sure the add the added levels dynamic eq applies were accounted for. Now I have the best of both worlds. It really is a useful option--you just have to recongnize what it's doing and tweak accordingly.

Nice ya I've done a little tweaking with it before as well. Turning gain on my subs helped with the bloated bass but in the end I prefer to have Dynamic EQ/Volume off. A lot of guys on here use it and like it a that's cool. As I said YMMV. It's just not for me
post #11837 of 16212
OHF is the Citizen Kane of "Dumb White House Disaster" movies.
post #11838 of 16212
Dynamic EQ doesn't make my Submersives sound bloated. In fact it makes them sound really good as I listen at -13
post #11839 of 16212
Nube, as you requested. I redeveloped it this evening. No Smoothing cool.gif

post #11840 of 16212
Nice, you caught me right as I was getting on the bus home from school. smile.gif

Looking good; that's a huge rising emphasis on 20Hz vs. 80Hz. Looking good below 15Hz, tho! cool.gif
post #11841 of 16212
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

Nice, you caught me right as I was getting on the bus home from school. smile.gif

Looking good; that's a huge rising emphasis on 20Hz vs. 80Hz. Looking good below 15Hz, tho! cool.gif

Yes, that is on purpose house curve. I may end up taking it down a little but the decay even looks good, above 30hz that is. I tried another approach with trying to get no boosts for Audyssey so no pumping energy into decay times.
post #11842 of 16212
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

I thought most receivers automatically applied the +10db LFE bump regardless of audyssey.
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

It's almost guaranteed that your AVR or pre/pro automatically adds the +10dB to the LFE channel if you're using bass redirection with a crossover frequency.

I don't think such a thing happens with any receiver.

Are you confusing that with the fact that the LFE channel has +10dB more headroom for effects?
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post #11844 of 16212
jlpowell,

One thing I didn't understand is that in your full range measurement, it shows rolloff down low, but your new measurement doesn't. Any idea why the change? Is that because of the stupid 1/6th octave smoothing showing the house curve not extending past 15Hz? And, why not extend that house curve lower, out of curiosity? smile.gif
post #11845 of 16212
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

jlpowell,

One thing I didn't understand is that in your full range measurement, it shows rolloff down low, but your new measurement doesn't. Any idea why the change? Is that because of the stupid 1/6th octave smoothing showing the house curve not extending past 15Hz? And, why not extend that house curve lower, out of curiosity? smile.gif

You mean my previous graph rolled at 7 and this one is still flat at 5? I don't think it is smoothing because previous ones all rolled at 7. I did **** a door in the back corner of the room.

I am going to take the steepness of the curve down a bit. I didn't want to add boost below 15 and add more ringing and decay times. I am picking up a couple JTR triple 8's next week and will adjust then wink.gif.
post #11846 of 16212
jlpowell,

Instead of adding boost with a shelf filter or something, you could always add an L/T via the MiniDSP's biquads. You can set the frequency where it starts. Might try that instead of the house curve and see how you like it. smile.gif
post #11847 of 16212
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

jlpowell,

Instead of adding boost with a shelf filter or something, you could always add an L/T via the MiniDSP's biquads. You can set the frequency where it starts. Might try that instead of the house curve and see how you like it. smile.gif

Yes tell us more nube! I selected, instead of peak, sub eq last night and it worked wonders. Please give a brief 101 description. I can't get interaction with anyone anywhere else!!!

This was after one single sub eq filter at 46 hz -8db gain and a Q of 3.5
post #11848 of 16212
how do you determine where the L/T should start?
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post #11850 of 16212
Any graph on the new Percy Jackson sea of monsters yet? It would be awesome if the bass is like the first one
Edited by Cowboys - 11/12/13 at 2:24pm
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