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Originally Posted by nube View Post

nfraso,

A couple of things. First, check your timestamps on Getaway. smile.gif What I've seen at the 0:04:00 mark is not what you show above. In fact, from your two waterfall plot posts, the first one you note that as "1:04:07" but, with the identical graph, you note it as "that 4 min mark." You've got the wrong spot. wink.gif

Also, thanks a bunch for the corroboration on The Wolverine graphs. It'll be interesting to analyze them.

pretsam,

yep, it's a ~10s window around the 4min mark, I think.

Why do we gotta wait for absolutely terrible movies to get super duper unfiltered ULF effects? Is it that their low-rent mixers aren't as "skilled," and don't know the "tricks of the trade" to get the most out of a track for movie theater reproduction?

Must have slipped a 1 in the hr mark typing in the timecode to pull out. Here's the real 4 min mark. I guess 5Hz counts for ULF... we'll let it slide this time. tongue.gif


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Originally Posted by nube View Post

Oh, nfraso, I forgot the other thing I was gonna ask about The Wolverine - why are both of yours 5.1 mixes? The Blu-rays are 7.1. Is that just an editing error from when you overlaid the images?

Correct- fixed. smile.gif
post #12092 of 16134
Nice, thanks for updating. Initial reports on Getaway are great on the bass, atrocious (the worst) on the movie.

I'll have to try to get the extended Wolverine to compare to the theatrical. Not sure I'll actually watch the extended, though...I can only take Huge Jackass in small doses.
post #12093 of 16134
Just want to chime in re: Getaway. It is in no way worse than After Earth. Mindless, and the explanation at the end didn't make much sense, but it wasn't soul sucking like AE. Some pretty great car chase shots, too.
post #12094 of 16134
Getaway 5.1 DTSMA - played back reference level
Finally a flick with some deep crunching bass and lots of it
Low end is fantastic - really tight and good volume
Ford Shelby GT500 sounded superb - nice and throaty
Its a Cheesy popcorn film for sure - for me on big screen and played loud was fun -
Selena Gomez Is god awful however
post #12095 of 16134
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Originally Posted by wth718 View Post

Just want to chime in re: Getaway. It is in no way worse than After Earth.


That is good to hear. I know movies are very much a matter of opinion, but if I find something from my perspective that is somehow worse than After Earth this year, that would be some accomplishment!
Edited by Toe - 11/20/13 at 4:23pm
post #12096 of 16134
I just watched The Conjuring, which I thought had a very good bass mix. Maybe not the deepest bass, but when it hit it hit hard and fast and was integrated terrifically into the rest of the sound track. This movie had a pretty good sound mix, not perfect, but not overdone or undercooked either. Just about right.
post #12097 of 16134
I just watched MoS again so a friend could see it. The bass is not out of place at all IMHO, the problem is that filter. All the scenes that have lots of 30-40hz with no action on screen is supposed to be build up or ominous bass. The problem is that is usually under 20hz and give a sense of pending doom! This had it at above 30hz so it seemed out of place. I started laughing after a while because every time there was a build up of something bad goinng to happen BAM, loud 30hz and above. Usually great bass movies do the same thing except with no filter and 5-15hz so you feel the weight of the event about to happen.
post #12098 of 16134
I just finished "The Mummy Tomb of the Dragon Emperor" and have been smitten yet again by an older movie with a reference mix. I know there's been discussion of the revised list at DB and was wondering did this go 5 stars (are already was) or hasn't been redone, I see here it's 4.5. I can tell you this movie is crisp and has some very good if not great ULF without sacrificing one bit of dynamic range! the upper and mid bass are equally as good lending some startling moments to the movie. I would strongly recommend another listen and measurement on this one as it demonstrates what a bass track should bring to the movie and that's enhancement, I give it a strong 5stars wink.gif
post #12099 of 16134
Does anyone know if there are any differences in LFE between the Directors cut and Theatrical cut for Terminator Salvation?
post #12100 of 16134
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I just watched MoS again so a friend could see it. The bass is not out of place at all IMHO, the problem is that filter. All the scenes that have lots of 30-40hz with no action on screen is supposed to be build up or ominous bass. The problem is that is usually under 20hz and give a sense of pending doom! This had it at above 30hz so it seemed out of place. I started laughing after a while because every time there was a build up of something bad goinng to happen BAM, loud 30hz and above. Usually great bass movies do the same thing except with no filter and 5-15hz so you feel the weight of the event about to happen.

Hey MK not sure if anyone knows this but Hans Zimmer used a drum circle for some of the sound track in MOS. That could be why the bass sounds the way it does.

 

post #12101 of 16134
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Originally Posted by hometheatergeek View Post

Hey MK not sure if anyone knows this but Hans Zimmer used a drum circle for some of the sound track in MOS. That could be why the bass sounds the way it does.



Yes, but if you beat a drum there are infrasonics that go along with them, they filtered out all the goodness of a real life drum strike.
post #12102 of 16134
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Originally Posted by hometheatergeek View Post

Hey MK not sure if anyone knows this but Hans Zimmer used a drum circle for some of the sound track in MOS. That could be why the bass sounds the way it does.



What this has to do with an entire movie surround sound mix being limited (filtered) arbitrarily at 30hz ..... you got me. rolleyes.gif
post #12103 of 16134
Is the DKR filtered and or clipped?
post #12104 of 16134
Dear God....the scene in Olympus has Fallen where the Washington Monument crumbles was unreal. My PB-13 moved some serious air. I did hear a clicking from the amp, but it was more like something inside the sub was being moved around from the massive air movement. The bass sounded clean and powerful, so I don't thing I was over driving it. Gain is at 11am, which in my room, has it dialed in at 73db. I was listening at master volume -7db, all speakers dialed in at 75db.

Your thoughts on my sound and on this scene?
post #12105 of 16134
That scene is nuts. It is the ONLY scene that normal viewing volume (-5 to -7 on master volume and subs pretty hot with a big house curve) that my breaker has tripped and it takes A LOT to trip my breaker. It usually only happens when I'm doing crazy demo's well over reference with the subs crazy hot.
post #12106 of 16134
That scene is pure insanity! That disc is going to be $7 on Black Friday at BB I think (?). Hope Amazon has it on sale as well as I would like to grab it for that scene alone.




Just got through with White House Down and as far as this thread goes we could re-label it White House DUD. What a completely forgettable LFE track. I know this was discussed a bit in here, but I could not find any graphs after a search, or maybe there never was any? Certainly not worth the effort, but I was curious to see just how weak it was objectively since subjectively in my setup it fell VERY flat.
post #12107 of 16134
I'm getting excited for The Wolverine to come out. Graphs look promising and I'm a fan of X-Men. Def wanna rent Getaway and give it a spin too.

Talking bout Ralph's reviews I always enjoy reading them and they get me excited for the movie to come out and I find them interesting. I enjoy taking in everyone's opinion. I never take any review too seriously be it one of Ralph's or any other on the net about a movie, a phone, a toaster oven or whatever lol.

Just watched the animation 9 again for the 20th time prolly. Love this movie and love the mix! Bass IMO is fantastic. A great dark animation with a super cool story.
post #12108 of 16134
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Originally Posted by bgillyjcu View Post

Dear God....the scene in Olympus has Fallen where the Washington Monument crumbles was unreal. My PB-13 moved some serious air. I did hear a clicking from the amp, but it was more like something inside the sub was being moved around from the massive air movement. The bass sounded clean and powerful, so I don't thing I was over driving it. Gain is at 11am, which in my room, has it dialed in at 73db. I was listening at master volume -7db, all speakers dialed in at 75db.

Your thoughts on my sound and on this scene?

Just wanted to say the clicking you heard in your 13 could be the port tube knocking up against the internal bracing. One of my 13s was doing this years ago just on a few select scenes which I realized was the port tube. Took the amp off and put some padding between the port tube and bracing where it comes through and it fixed the knocking. That may not be what you are hearing, but I bet it is and is an easy fix if so.
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Couple small blurps around 15hz in the beginning, most of the content was centered around 40-45hz that I saw.
post #12110 of 16134
How do you find out @ what frequency a movie is putting out the bass? Does it take a special meter? My meter doesn't do it by frequency AFAIK.
post #12111 of 16134
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Originally Posted by ellisr63 View Post

How do you find out @ what frequency a movie is putting out the bass? Does it take a special meter? My meter doesn't do it by frequency AFAIK.

I think they use Spectrum Labs program, and run the movie through that, it doesnt measure anything in the room, it reads the audio track right from the disc.
post #12112 of 16134
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

Is the DKR filtered and or clipped?
If you're asking about TDKR (The Dark Knight Rises), it is both filtered AND clipped.

The whole movie seems to be filtered around 30Hz except for the first scene in the airplane which is the only scene that has some content that's a little deeper. The 'Bat' scene that people rave about is centered around 30-35Hz IIRC (and clipped).


Max
post #12113 of 16134
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Originally Posted by ellisr63 View Post

How do you find out @ what frequency a movie is putting out the bass? Does it take a special meter? My meter doesn't do it by frequency AFAIK.

Slingblayde has it essentially correct. You can lookup comments from Mrkazador or desertdome in this thread for exact directions on how to do it.
post #12114 of 16134
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Just got through with White House Down and as far as this thread goes we could re-label it White House DUD. What a completely forgettable LFE track. I know this was discussed a bit in here, but I could not find any graphs after a search, or maybe there never was any? Certainly not worth the effort, but I was curious to see just how weak it was objectively since subjectively in my setup it fell VERY flat.

Yep, did this one last month and compared:
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Originally Posted by nfraso View Post

Speaking of difference in graphs. How about these two similar films. One a ULF monster, the other...





post #12115 of 16134
Thanks Nfraso. Well that pretty much says it all! eek.gif I thought I remembered seeing a graph a while back. I would personally rank WHD as 2nd worst LFE film of 2013 only behind the unbeatable champ (YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!! Sorry, could not resist biggrin.gif ) The Hobbit which is still clearly #1 in this category IMO. SO glad I only rented this turd!
post #12116 of 16134
OHF is great! (and the perfect bass demo flick for my LF limited system - I am out of gas at 15Hz)
post #12117 of 16134
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Originally Posted by cuzed2 View Post

OHF is great! (and the perfect bass demo flick for my LF limited system - I am out of gas at 15Hz)

OHF is a great bass movie. Something for everyone. I was wondering whether somebody could clarify a question I have. FOTP is considered a 5 star bass movie according to the list at the front. Is this just because of that, admittedly incredible, plane crash scene? As far as I can remember this was the only bass worthy event in the film. Most of the other flicks in the 5 star category have many scenes or much more bass heavy content throughout their duration? Anyone comment on this?
post #12118 of 16134
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Originally Posted by bgillyjcu View Post

Dear God....the scene in Olympus has Fallen where the Washington Monument crumbles was unreal. My PB-13 moved some serious air. I did hear a clicking from the amp, but it was more like something inside the sub was being moved around from the massive air movement. The bass sounded clean and powerful, so I don't thing I was over driving it. Gain is at 11am, which in my room, has it dialed in at 73db. I was listening at master volume -7db, all speakers dialed in at 75db.

Your thoughts on my sound and on this scene?
Man i gotta try that scene, did you know the time stamp? TY
post #12119 of 16134
I ran some tests last night and it has nothing to do with the limit of the sub. Something is definitely rattling a bit inside I'm going to take the amp out today or tomorrow to do a little mini inspection. In fact if I press my hand very gently on the amp the vibrating noise totally want away.

In Olympus has fallen I don't think the Washington Monument scene is any more than 20 minutes and trust me when it crumbles you'll know!
post #12120 of 16134
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Originally Posted by bgillyjcu View Post

I ran some tests last night and it has nothing to do with the limit of the sub. Something is definitely rattling a bit inside I'm going to take the amp out today or tomorrow to do a little mini inspection. In fact if I press my hand very gently on the amp the vibrating noise totally want away.

In Olympus has fallen I don't think the Washington Monument scene is any more than 20 minutes and trust me when it crumbles you'll know!

Maybe the amp just needs to be tightened down. It vibrates with everything else.

You can find the OHF Monument scene using the Chapter finder thingy.
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