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post #12571 of 16108
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Thanks. Have you been able to EQ the system and use a program to measure your subs and see how well they're integrated into your room acoustics?

The reason I ask, improperly integrated subs will be robbed of mid-slam and will have the lower octave stolen from them due to poor integration which gives the impression of a bad movie sound track.

According to Data-Bass' testing the PB12 NSDs roll off hard after 20Hz and this too is going give one false impressions of a sound track having much poorer bass then is the case.

(please do not think I'm bagging on your system)
no i don't think your bagging on my system. And if you were i wouldn't care cause i love my subs.And haven't eqed my system. I don't have the equipment not the knowledge.and i know they roll off at 20hz. But cloverfield sounds great
post #12572 of 16108
And i put in dark knight rises beginning airplane scene after battleship and it kicked ass.
post #12573 of 16108
Then in the simple, I'm wrong.

I'm only trying to help and to understand as I found/find Battleship to have lots of bass but if you don't then for you, it doesn't.
post #12574 of 16108
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Then in the simple, I'm wrong.

I'm only trying to help and to understand as I found/find Battleship to have lots of bass but if you don't then for you, it doesn't.
i appreciate it beeman.
post #12575 of 16108
Beeman . I have four towers and i set then to small recently. I previously had them on large till last night. My crossover has always been set to 80. Think switching my towers to small dropped off my bass output?
post #12576 of 16108
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Originally Posted by missyman View Post

Beeman . I have four towers and i set then to small recently. I previously had them on large till last night. My crossover has always been set to 80. Think switching my towers to small dropped off my bass output?

Sounds like you had double bass going as you had the mains and subs playing and then by going to small, you lost any bass reinforcement of your towers.

Our mains are set to small and like you, crossovers are set to 80Hz.

What happens when you go back to the old settings?
post #12577 of 16108
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Sounds like you had double bass going as you had the mains and subs playing and then by going to small, you lost any bass reinforcement of your towers.

Our mains are set to small and like you, crossovers are set to 80Hz.

What happens when you go back to the old settings?
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

About time!
not sure. At work now and can't mess with it.
post #12578 of 16108
I hate it when work get in the way with the rest of life.

(thank your boss for the job)

...biggrin.gif
post #12579 of 16108
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Sounds like you had double bass going as you had the mains and subs playing and then by going to small, you lost any bass reinforcement of your towers.

Our mains are set to small and like you, crossovers are set to 80Hz.

What happens when you go back to the old settings?


I also have speakers set to small, crossover @ 80Hz. Initially I had speakers set to large as I have large towers too but bass didn't sound as clean and detailed. Dialogue sounded too deep and unnatural especially when someone like Optimus Prime in TDOTM speaks through your centre. Large setting also made things a touch boomy. Small is definitely the go for my setup.
post #12580 of 16108
My understanding, when one has their mains set to large and the crossover set to 80Hz, these frequencies are being played twice through the mains and the subs; double bass.

(LFE + Mains)

One should have the subwoofer setting set to (LFE)
post #12581 of 16108
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

My understanding, when one has their mains set to large and the crossover set to 80Hz, these frequencies are being played twice through the mains and the subs; double bass.

(LFE + Mains)

One should have the subwoofer setting set to (LFE)

Agree. Let the subs do the heavy lifting.
post #12582 of 16108
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Originally Posted by edlittle View Post

Better than Oblivion?

Yes.
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Bosso how hot were you? That looks AWESOME!!

I'm getting this movie next on Netflix.

+6dB, I believe. I don't know why you ask... you'll run it hotter either way... biggrin.gifcool.gif
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I have to bet it is a lot better. Honestly I wasn't that impressed with Oblivion. It had a ton of bass but to me it seemed like most of it was above 30hz, I was way more impressed by the Washington Monument scene in Olympus Has Fallen and the grenade scene in WWZ then the entire movie of Oblivion. All the bass sounded the same too.

See comment on Toe's post...
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

No way, not in my opinion. Elysium was a great track overall, but I had a few complaints. 1) While the low end was clearly unfiltered and hitting that great ULF, the mid type bass (~30-50hz) range felt a bit lacking a lot of the time IMO. A fellow forum member said it best that I was just talking to via PM about a few tracks we have listened to in the past few days who runs an S2 as he thought it was weighted a bit TOO much toward the ULF region which was my impression as well. Just like a FAT track feels incomplete due to missing the ULF, Elysium felt lacking to some degree since the mid type bass was lacking to a point in accordance with the on-screen action. The true 5 star tracks cover the entire spectrum well like TIH and so on. Just my opinion and some will disagree which is of course fine. Because of the two points above though, Oblivion in particular is without question IMO an overall better audio track and still probably my favorite all around this year.

Once level-matched, technically, the only differences in the 2 soundtracks are; E outguns O in the ULF department and O has a slight advantage of peaks from 30-50 Hz, according to the peak hold and average graphs posted by Nube and Max @ DB.

If your system is capable of playing back the ULF, there is no comparison. That's by the numbers, not opinion. Opinions vary on every movie and are almost exclusively married to in-room response at the LP and variations in playback levels.

Do you (or, does anyone) have the anechoic frequency response of the S2?
post #12583 of 16108
Elysium is awesome, I love it and all movies should have bass like this. It was not too loud, just awesome effects. I just popped in MOS and man you don't realize the lack of dynamics and effects of the filters until you go back to back!
post #12584 of 16108
Bosso, did you try out the track not running hot? I don't know if you saw the discussion around the different versions out there with 10 db difference in the LFE region. To me, it is a wholly different experience with the extra dbs. With it hot, I put it up there with the heaviest hitters. Without it, very good, but not GREAT. I think that's why there's such mixed opinions about it.

Then again, you are on suspended floors, so I'm sure that contributes to your being able to feel the lowest octaves even when they're presented at lower levels.
post #12585 of 16108
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

My understanding, when one has their mains set to large and the crossover set to 80Hz, these frequencies are being played twice through the mains and the subs; double bass.

(LFE + Mains)

One should have the subwoofer setting set to (LFE)

ALL speakers will be playing above AND below 80Hz. How much of the freqs depends on the slope of the xo.
post #12586 of 16108
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

ALL speakers will be playing above AND below 80Hz. How much of the freqs depends on the slope of the xo.

True. But we both know what I posted was a generalization as opposed to getting off in the weeds about a 12dB or 24dB slope. That's where REW and miniDSP comes in as one brings tighter focus on the subject matter.
post #12587 of 16108
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

True. But we both know what I posted was a generalization as opposed to getting off in the weeds about a 12dB or 24dB slope. That's where REW and miniDSP comes in as one brings tighter focus on the subject matter.

Correct. It's a slippery slope to talk about. wink.gif
post #12588 of 16108
Why would one run speakers large and set the crossover to 80hz?
post #12589 of 16108
Movies call for very low extension and if you run large you are now asking your speakers to play 105 dBs peaks at 3-80hz. If you only care about 15hz well speakers still can't play 15hz at 105 dBs peaks. I would never run large for movies unless the bottom end of your speakers were subs and then if that is the case that what small and crossover is for, JMO.
post #12590 of 16108
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Why would one run speakers large and set the crossover to 80hz?

That right there doesn't make any sense. Running speakers like that is not knowing how to correctly setup a system.
post #12591 of 16108
That is why I asked?
post #12592 of 16108
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Correct. It's a slippery slope to talk about. wink.gif

And to those who care about this stuff, it's a fun slope to slide down. biggrin.gif

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 12/20/13 at 8:43am
post #12593 of 16108
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Why would one run speakers large and set the crossover to 80hz?

Because Audyssey/AVR sets the mains to large and the user sets the crossovers to 80Hz and doesn't know to set their mains to small?

...confused.gif

(if it wasn't for learning curves, I'd be omniscient)

...tongue.gif
post #12594 of 16108
Oh, yeah, IMHO unless one has subs for the bottom end of a speaker all speakers should be small. It is better to let your speakers not be over driven trying to play loud 20hz levels or lower when the subs are much better doing so.
post #12595 of 16108
Yes. Agreed. Well worth repeating. tongue.gif...tongue.gif...tongue.gif
post #12596 of 16108
MK means it this time, he aint messing around. smile.gif
post #12597 of 16108
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

Yes.
+6dB, I believe. I don't know why you ask... you'll run it hotter either way... biggrin.gifcool.gif
See comment on Toe's post...
Once level-matched, technically, the only differences in the 2 soundtracks are; E outguns O in the ULF department and O has a slight advantage of peaks from 30-50 Hz, according to the peak hold and average graphs posted by Nube and Max @ DB.

If your system is capable of playing back the ULF, there is no comparison. That's by the numbers, not opinion. Opinions vary on every movie and are almost exclusively married to in-room response at the LP and variations in playback levels.

Do you (or, does anyone) have the anechoic frequency response of the S2?


Thanks Bosso and I understand what you are saying. I just found the track a bit too weighted toward the ULF region in general and without that stronger mid stuff to go along with it just felt a bit incomplete in accordance with what I was watching on screen. Throw in what I consider weak/wimpy sound design for a lot of the weapons effects and Oblivion in particular IMO has more solid and supportive audio/bass overall. I have watched Oblivion 2 or 3 times now and I cant think of any moments from a sound perspective that did not hit with appropriate weight and conviction which I cant say the same for Elysium. Again though, overall I still thought Elysium was a very good track for bass and overall sound, just not quite as high on it as you and some others are. Some more of that STRONG mid type 30-50hz bass would have gone a long way in complimenting the awesome ULF in this film IMO.

Sorry, I don't have the anechoic freq response of the S2.
post #12598 of 16108
It's the same as the Captivator S but with a second 18" driver, twice as wide (or tall) and has our 4000 watt, DSP, class D amplifier.

Here is the cap S1.




Arbitrary level, with built in 110hz lowpass.
+/-1db 22hz-104hz ground plane (-6db at 15hz)
post #12599 of 16108
That is because we are so used to midbass and not ULF. In real life there are many moments where ULF only occurs. Elysium was a breath of fresh air.
post #12600 of 16108
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

That is because we are so used to midbass and not ULF. In real life there are many moments where ULF only occurs. Elysium was a breath of fresh air.


Just like a track that does not have much below 30hz feels incomplete (although to a greater degree of course if it's filtered), Elysium to me had a similar quality (again, not as extreme as a FAT track since there was obviously still a decent amount of mid bass) but for the opposite reason. My favorite bass tracks are very strong at both. Elysium is not real life by the way! tongue.gif
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