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post #14191 of 16116
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

I recommend buying the plugin now. Play around with it a bit to get used to it and see what all the settings are all about. It will reduce the learning curve once it come in.


The beauty if the MINIdsp is you can immediately run an REW sweep and see the change immediately. Or while playing bass heavy content you can hear the change in real time. Very cool.


Good suggestion, had not considered that.  I am off till Monday so will do just that.  Thanks.

post #14192 of 16116
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Bee what happened to this thought? Looks like Luke brought you back to the good side lol

So much for being a purist

It was a very disturbing experience, I got ran over by reality. It's hard to say no when you're all tangled up in bicycle parts and horse manure.

...tongue.gif

(everybody else was doing it so I guess it's not a crime to try it and dang if it didn't work for our system)
post #14193 of 16116
Hey, HT is about what one prefers in their own home, all I am saying is that the stronger my low end became, the least amount of hot LFE was needed. I used to run 12 dBs hot with my 4 LLT's tuned to 13hz. 10 dBs hot with everything until my 12x12 system and I ran that 5 dBs hot. Now this IB gets flat with the Bassis boosting the low end only.
post #14194 of 16116
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

It was a very disturbing experience, I got ran over by reality. It's hard to say no when you're all tangled up in bicycle parts and horse manure.

...tongue.gif

(everybody else was doing it so I guess it's not a crime to try it and dang if it didn't work for our system)

Welcome! It's fun on this side. biggrin.gif
post #14195 of 16116
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Welcome! It's fun on this side. biggrin.gif

Thanks!

...biggrin.gif

All I can say is, it's much better and I'm much happier with the volume turned down -10dB and the bass levels jacked up +13dB over Audyssey, reference level flat. I'm quite sure the wife will be well pleased with the "adjustments" also.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 2/13/14 at 2:58pm
post #14196 of 16116
another trick I learned about boosting the bass with Audyssey was to disable dynamic eq and use the Tone Controls for bass as well. That way you could apply a shelf above 80-100hz as well without any other EQ toys. And if you feel the surrounds 'disappeared' just bump those up while you are at it smile.gif
post #14197 of 16116
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

After you do, tell me what you think about that scene!

Btw you going to Ivans?

WHEW!!!

I watched Cloverfield yesterday and lived to tell the tale. tongue.gif

Kevin, that scene in the street sounded pretty damn good.

I love the shot right before Hud gets knocked into the subway. The monster looks right at the camera and screams. A true s**t-your-pants moment if I've seen one. Damned near ripped the house open.

The bass, not the monster. wink.gif
post #14198 of 16116
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Welcome! It's fun on this side. biggrin.gif

Thanks!

...biggrin.gif

All I can say is, it's much better and I'm much happier with the volume turned down -10dB and the bass levels jacked up +13dB over Audyssey, reference level flat. I'm quite sure the wife will be well pleased with the "adjustments" also.

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Yup, playback at calibrated reference level is a bit too loud for my taste.

For "loud" playback I playback at about -5 dBrl.
post #14199 of 16116
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

Yup, playback at calibrated reference level is a bit too loud for my taste.

For "loud" playback I playback at about -5 dBrl.

That's why I'm always curious when people say they are running their subs hot. I listen at -5 to -10 and have raised my sub output to compensate. +5 at reference is a lot different than +5 at -10. smile.gif
post #14200 of 16116
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Originally Posted by bass addict View Post

That's why I'm always curious when people say they are running their subs hot. I listen at -5 to -10 and have raised my sub output to compensate. +5 at reference is a lot different than +5 at -10. smile.gif

That's why I set it up the way I did. Now I can listen at -10dB MVC and still have full bass reference level as I jacked the bass up +13dB. biggrin.gif And what's sweet about this setup, there's no worry about frying the subs because they're no higher than normal reference level playback. Nothing but the good stuff.
post #14201 of 16116
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

That's why I set it up the way I did. Now I can listen at -10dB MVC and still have full bass reference level as I jacked the bass up +13dB. biggrin.gif And what's sweet about this setup, there's no worry about frying the subs because they're no higher than normal reference level playback. Nothing but the good stuff.

Were you worried about frying them before?

Just keep in mind that there are a lot of movies that have really "hot" soundtracks (WOTW, etc). The nice thing about not running aggressive is those with under performing subs don't have to worry about a hot track taxing their subs to the point of clipping or bottoming.
post #14202 of 16116
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

WHEW!!!

I watched Cloverfield yesterday and lived to tell the tale. tongue.gif



yep...that movie is a blast

i gotta say tho...during the surprise party when the monster first hit (when the party had moved to the roof)...that scared the hell outa me...

set the stage for the rest of the movie for sure...

as an aside, one of the tunes played during the party was by the band "of montreal" called "wraith pinned to the mist and other games"...

real nice bass riff and sounds better the louder its cranked...
post #14203 of 16116
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Originally Posted by bass addict View Post

Were you worried about frying them before?

No. But I wasn't running them +13dB hot either. Now I am. Also, at -10dB MVC, I'm not worried about needing to turn the volume up so I'm not worried about frying the subs by over driving them.

"It's beautiful man!"

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 2/13/14 at 5:15pm
post #14204 of 16116
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

WHEW!!!

I watched Cloverfield yesterday and lived to tell the tale. tongue.gif

Kevin, that scene in the street sounded pretty damn good.

I love the shot right before Hud gets knocked into the subway. The monster looks right at the camera and screams. A true s**t-your-pants moment if I've seen one. Damned near ripped the house open.

The bass, not the monster. wink.gif

Knew you'd love that scene! Just watched the movie again...hot damn what a experience!
post #14205 of 16116
All is Lost – 5.1 DTS-MA
Played back reference level
Really impressive track , Sound design is stunning –
Places you in same space as Redford –
Very rare for soundtrack to pull that off.
So much detail and layering of sound effects
I actually went back and played some sequences with PJ off
and just listened to the sound field in my pitch black HT.
Hope never to be stranded on boat in middle of night in storm
but now have idea of what it sounds like
Low end is terrific – supports the whole movie
and perfectly executed.
Not a soundtrack to run hot at all as will mask all the
subtle details and imaging.
post #14206 of 16116
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

No. But I wasn't running them +13dB hot either. Now I am. Also, at -10dB MVC, I'm not worried about needing to turn the volume up so I'm not worried about frying the subs by over driving them.

"It's beautiful man!"

-

But it's the same output level. wink.gif
post #14207 of 16116
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Originally Posted by GPBURNS View Post

All is Lost – 5.1 DTS-MA
Played back reference level
Really impressive track , Sound design is stunning –
Places you in same space as Redford –
Very rare for soundtrack to pull that off.
So much detail and layering of sound effects
I actually went back and played some sequences with PJ off
and just listened to the sound field in my pitch black HT.
Hope never to be stranded on boat in middle of night in storm
but now have idea of what it sounds like
Low end is terrific – supports the whole movie
and perfectly executed.
Not a soundtrack to run hot at all as will mask all the
subtle details and imaging.

I just finished it and coudnt have said it better myself. Best sound I've heard in a while.
post #14208 of 16116
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Originally Posted by bass addict View Post

But it's the same output level. wink.gif

He's actually 3db hotter now, probably more with dynamic eq on. I'd be worried. hope he has a highpass filter, since that's at least double the power level of reference.
post #14209 of 16116
Built in limiters me thinks
post #14210 of 16116
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Originally Posted by notnyt View Post

He's actually 3db hotter now, probably more with dynamic eq on. I'd be worried. hope he has a highpass filter, since that's at least double the power level of reference.

I think he was 3db's hot before, but either way, AMEN to that, lol.
post #14211 of 16116
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Originally Posted by GPBURNS View Post

All is Lost – 5.1 DTS-MA
Played back reference level
Really impressive track , Sound design is stunning –
Places you in same space as Redford –
Very rare for soundtrack to pull that off.
So much detail and layering of sound effects
I actually went back and played some sequences with PJ off
and just listened to the sound field in my pitch black HT.
Hope never to be stranded on boat in middle of night in storm
but now have idea of what it sounds like
Low end is terrific – supports the whole movie
and perfectly executed.
Not a soundtrack to run hot at all as will mask all the
subtle details and imaging.[/
quote]

Glad you mentioned that little tid bit , I find the only time to run hot, is when the bass is lacking and should be adjusted on a soundtrack to soundtrack basis and not at the cost of the sound fields overall balance!

I'm looking forward to this one indeed!
post #14212 of 16116
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Originally Posted by GPBURNS View Post

All is Lost – 5.1 DTS-MA
Played back reference level
Really impressive track , Sound design is stunning –
Places you in same space as Redford –
Very rare for soundtrack to pull that off.
So much detail and layering of sound effects
I actually went back and played some sequences with PJ off
and just listened to the sound field in my pitch black HT.
Hope never to be stranded on boat in middle of night in storm
but now have idea of what it sounds like
Low end is terrific – supports the whole movie
and perfectly executed.
Not a soundtrack to run hot at all as will mask all the
subtle details and imaging.



great mini review GP...
post #14213 of 16116
I watched lotr tfotr last night. Now i see why its 5 star in this list. My God when gandolf and the balrog fought it was intense. Can't wait to each the other two now. Love my pb2000s!
post #14214 of 16116

Does anyone know if White House Down has received an individual measuement on Data-Bass?, as I cannot find it anywhere.

 

I find the track has some awful mixing with the centre channel recorded too low making the dialogue somewhat harsh at reference as the bandwidth is stretched. The centre can be drowned out with all the mayhem.

It is definately one of Sony's worse mixes.

 

Is it 24bit or 16bit?.. There is a warm and almost blunt sound to the bass.

post #14215 of 16116
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Originally Posted by zero zero seven View Post

I find the track has some awful mixing with the centre channel recorded too low making the dialogue somewhat harsh at reference as the bandwidth is stretched. The centre can be drowned out with all the mayhem.

What AVR and Center Channel are you using? I ask to see if at reference the system is stressing which will cause output problems at reference level play.

My cure to a similar problem, was to upgrade the Center Channel and the old AVR to a XT32/SubEQ HT capable receiver. The old were very capable but not good enough; Marantz SR5007 and Klipsch KV-4 center channel. The end of the tale, in our 3300^3 room, open to other large spaces, as good as they still are, they can't keep up with the demands of today's sound tracks so they were retired to the gee-rage as backup.

Another trick you can try, jack the subwoofer levels up 10dB and turn the (MVC) main volume control down to -10dB MVC which will give you all the managed subwoofer provided bass and at the same time reduce the harshness of the center channel. It never hurts to dial in an extra 3dB into the center channel during movies to improve on listenability of the center channel.

After movie viewing, when back to regular cable programming, I dial the system back to flat playback so as to not have bass heavy television content.

Hope the above helps with your concerns.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 2/14/14 at 8:09am
post #14216 of 16116
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Originally Posted by GPBURNS View Post

All is Lost – 5.1 DTS-MA
Played back reference level
Really impressive track , Sound design is stunning –
Places you in same space as Redford –
Very rare for soundtrack to pull that off.
So much detail and layering of sound effects
I actually went back and played some sequences with PJ off
and just listened to the sound field in my pitch black HT.
Hope never to be stranded on boat in middle of night in storm
but now have idea of what it sounds like
Low end is terrific – supports the whole movie
and perfectly executed.
Not a soundtrack to run hot at all as will mask all the
subtle details and imaging.

Have this coming tom from NF. Looking forward to it. Also have Carrie coming which I have not heard anything about.
post #14217 of 16116
AIL doesn't sound like a bassfest but does sound like a movie worthy of an evenings family entertainment. Thanks for the mini-review.

(even used, it's still too expensive for my blu-ray budget)
post #14218 of 16116
AIL is absolutely a bassfest, and an expertly crafted one, at that. GPBURNS' review is pretty spot on.

There's a big difference between MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF BASS FOR BASS'S SAKE and MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF BASS FOR STORYTELLING'S SAKE that seems to get lost on this thread. I don't mind what anybody likes, but it's really important to me that people be accurate. All Is Lost is not lacking for bass in any sense. Quite the contrary, actually. Whether you like or prefer how its bass is designed and mixed is quite another story.
post #14219 of 16116
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

AIL is absolutely a bassfest, and an expertly crafted one, at that. GPBURNS' review is pretty spot on.

There's a big difference between MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF BASS FOR BASS'S SAKE and MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF BASS FOR STORYTELLING'S SAKE that seems to get lost on this thread. I don't mind what anybody likes, but it's really important to me that people be accurate. All Is Lost is not lacking for bass in any sense. Quite the contrary, actually. Whether you like or prefer how its bass is designed and mixed is quite another story.


I agree with you, but it is a matter of perspective/opinion what constitutes either one. While you might describe something like DiT as a "MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF BASS FOR BASS'S SAKE" type of mix, I would disagree and say the bass had purpose and very much supported the over the top storyline and feel of the film with an over the top bass track. Same with MWTIF and some others. Just because you or me or whomever sees a track one way or the other does not mean it is universally so. Point of all this being, I don't understand how you can make the "seems to get lost on this thread" remark since perception and perspective on this type of thing depends on the listener and there really is no wrong in light of that.
post #14220 of 16116
A lot of bass is a statement of quantity, and the amount of bass in a movie can be quantified. That's the main point of the other site's measurements of movies.

I bring up the conversation about preference because it doesn't matter if you like 'em or not, TMWTIF and DiT and PacRim and TIH and WOTW and AIL all have tons of bass. By contrast, even if it's your favorite movie with bass ever, Gone With the Wind doesn't have much bass.
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