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post #1591 of 8203
11/2/11 at 7:59am
Are we voting on movies that have bass comparitive to each other at the same volume or whichever sounds best. That's like putting a captivator up against a submersive and setting one to 55db and the other to 80db...the one that is louder will be the one everyone says is better. I thought the idea of home theater is to try and re-create a movies audio track as close as possible to the directors original vision. I'm pretty sure the directors don't mean for us to turn up certain channels.

I do know a manager of a movie theater that gets requests from movie studios to play certain tracks louder than reference but that includes all channels. For instance Despicable Me came with a minion card that said +7db. People actually complained how loud it was so te theater turned it down again.
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post #1592 of 8203
11/2/11 at 8:20am
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

I guess my thought was, if we crank the LFE up when we feel like it on certain movies, then what's the point of doing a serious calibration at all? We should just forget all the room eq stuff and just do what sounds good to us. Or is that a simplistic view of things. For what it's worth, I have my room eq'ed with Audyessy XT32 and a SMS-1 and I think it sounds great.

We calibrate and eq so that we can start with a level playing floor and we can hear things the way they were intended to sound. That doesn't mean we will actually like the way they were intended. If we don't like it, there should be no stigma about adjusting things to our liking. If things were calibrated properly before adjusting to preference, it should be very easy to return to flat afterwards.

The same should apply to music listening as well.
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post #1593 of 8203
11/2/11 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

We calibrate and eq so that we can start with a level playing floor and we can hear things the way they were intended to sound. That doesn't mean we will actually like the way they were intended. If we don't like it, there should be no stigma about adjusting things to our liking. If things were calibrated properly before adjusting to preference, it should be very easy to return to flat afterwards.

The same should apply to music listening as well.

Understood. The only time I have played with any LFE level at all was with TRON when I had to lower it a bit because it seemed to distort on high playback. So I lower the level on my SMS-1 for that one movie and then I can up the overall level to more what I am used to. Then, when I turn of the SMS-1 it goes back to normal. So I understand what you mean. I may up the level on a few movies that may be considered to be low LFE to see if I like it.
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post #1594 of 8203
11/2/11 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by Mpray1983 View Post

Are we voting on movies that have bass comparitive to each other at the same volume or whichever sounds best. That's like putting a captivator up against a submersive and setting one to 55db and the other to 80db...the one that is louder will be the one everyone says is better. I thought the idea of home theater is to try and re-create a movies audio track as close as possible to the directors original vision. I'm pretty sure the directors don't mean for us to turn up certain channels.

I do know a manager of a movie theater that gets requests from movie studios to play certain tracks louder than reference but that includes all channels. For instance Despicable Me came with a minion card that said +7db. People actually complained how loud it was so te theater turned it down again.

I agree but what I am saying is rate a movie at normal levels but please watch it to enjoy it!! If you look at Bosso's graphs there is tons of 5-15hz bass but not as loud, to enjoy it even more that movie will really benefit because it is not filtered.
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post #1595 of 8203
11/2/11 at 8:37am
I just went to an IMAX(a good one) and the experience was so much better because it was turned up and you can feel the bass for once.
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post #1596 of 8203
11/2/11 at 9:14am
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I just went to an IMAX(a good one) and the experience was so much better because it was turned up and you can feel the bass for once.

My experience with IMAX is not so much that they actually turn the bass up, but that there was true extension and extreme cleanliness and headroom down to at least 20hz.
This also was in a "real" IMAX.
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post #1597 of 8203
11/2/11 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

My experience with IMAX is not so much that they actually turn the bass up, but that there was true extension and extreme cleanliness and headroom down to at least 20hz.
This also was in a "real" IMAX.

I know, I meant their volume is louder than a regular theater and the experience is better.
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post #1598 of 8203
11/2/11 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by Mpray1983 View Post

For instance Despicable Me came with a minion card that said +7db.

I wish I could find one of those, that would make a great HT decoration.

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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I agree but what I am saying is rate a movie at normal levels but please watch it to enjoy it!! If you look at Bosso's graphs there is tons of 5-15hz bass but not as loud, to enjoy it even more that movie will really benefit because it is not filtered.

To me, it felt like the overall level on CA was a bit low - I left it that way because I was watching with my wife, but I may go back and rewatch all or parts with it turned up (master, not just LFE) to see what I missed out on.
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post #1599 of 8203
11/2/11 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by Mpray1983 View Post


I do know a manager of a movie theater that gets requests from movie studios to play certain tracks louder than reference but that includes all channels. For instance Despicable Me came with a minion card that said +7db. People actually complained how loud it was so te theater turned it down again.

Fascinating. Is anyone else familar with anything of this sort? I've never heard anything like this before.
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post #1600 of 8203
11/2/11 at 11:07am
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Fascinating. Is anyone else familar with anything of this sort? I've never heard anything like this before.

No.... Not saying that didn't happen, but I've never heard of them asking for them to exceed standards.

Some studios have sent letters urging that films be played at reference and that the light output is set properly.

And there is no easy way to turn it up 7db.... The cinema processors use a relative value (I.e. the Dolby cinema processors have a 0-10 scale, with 7 being reference. To go to +7db would require turning it up to 9+..... I suspect if Universal had sent out a notice, it was to set the CP to 7, and not 7db over.)
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post #1601 of 8203
11/2/11 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post


No.... Not saying that didn't happen, but I've never heard of them asking for them to exceed standards.

Some studios have sent letters urging that films be played at reference and that the light output is set properly.

And there is no easy way to turn it up 7db.... The cinema processors use a relative value (I.e. the Dolby cinema processors have a 0-10 scale, with 7 being reference. To go to +7db would require turning it up to 9+..... I suspect if Universal had sent out a notice, it was to set the CP to 7, and not 7db over.)

I just guessed 7db but I'm sure what you are saying is correct
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post #1602 of 8203
11/2/11 at 12:59pm
Don't remember seeing the HBO series Pacific on here it's got some strong hits but not real deep.....
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post #1603 of 8203
11/2/11 at 1:08pm
The Pacific was probably the best sounding production for TV that I've ever heard.
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post #1604 of 8203
11/2/11 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

The Pacific was probably the best sounding production for TV that I've ever heard.

+1

Superb in every way. One of the most compelling, gut wrenching, thrilling releases I've seen in a long time. Taught my two kids all about WWII, wife loved the love story, even with the most graphic violence one can imagine. The battle scenes are extremely well done, words can't convey. Additionally, the LFE was kick ass too
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post #1605 of 8203
11/2/11 at 1:46pm
I've been putting off buying "The Pacific", and you guys don't make it easy...
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post #1606 of 8203
11/2/11 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by FOH View Post


+1

Superb in every way. One of the most compelling, gut wrenching, thrilling releases I've seen in a long time. Taught my two kids all about WWII, wife loved the love story, even with the most graphic violence one can imagine. The battle scenes are extremely well done, words can't convey. Additionally, the LFE was kick ass too

The symphonic intro is quite dynamic and I fully enjoyed cranking it to reference before every episode to set the mood.

Tony, the BR is a buy for sure if your into war movies.
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post #1607 of 8203
11/2/11 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Testing has shown that most people prefer a flat response but that is with the audible range. I like my LFE hot so I can feel more.

Hmm... I thought that according to Harman people preferred a House curve with a slight bump in the bottom octave and a slight roll off in the top octave. The flatness was more a reference to the all important midrange region. I believe I read this in one of Tim's threads (Hifisponge)
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post #1608 of 8203
11/2/11 at 4:29pm
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I've been putting off buying "The Pacific", and you guys don't make it easy...

Same here. I'm just waiting for a good sale on it.
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post #1609 of 8203
11/2/11 at 5:07pm
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The Pacific was probably the best sounding production for TV that I've ever heard.

Thank you for the nice comments.. it's was very rewarding to be a part of.
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post #1610 of 8203
11/2/11 at 8:33pm
How can I find out how low the bass was in a movie?

I was watching this on Netflix.

Being Human (U.K.) version, season 3, episode #4 called The Pack' @ 38min. It was a scene were the vampire was about to have sex, and he was losing control, and it was suppose to be his heartbeat. I was kinda falling asleep, and it woke me up, and I was confused and thinking What the F*#k is that' I kid you not, I thought my house was coming down, but not the walls shaking coming down. I mean pure power from something like two large jets sitting next to my home.

I have:
(2) SVS PB12 plus
Onkyo 5008
PS3 for the streamming.

Of course I have much more, but that's the list I feel is playing the biggest part.
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post #1611 of 8203
11/3/11 at 12:06am
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Same here. I'm just waiting for a good sale on it.

To be honest, I enjoyed Band of Brothers alot more than the pacific. Don't get me wrong I'm a marine and Im moto but the pacific just didn't feel as "great" as Band of Brothers. I guess I enjoyed the dramatic story telling from BoB. BUT somehow the pacific, when it does come out on bluray, will end up in my collection.

Edit: nevermind its out already. Just ordered through amazon prime
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post #1612 of 8203
11/3/11 at 3:46am
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Thank you for the nice comments.. it's was very rewarding to be a part of.

So now it's a great show, great sound, great LFE, AND I can support a fellow forum members work.....order placed.
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post #1613 of 8203
11/3/11 at 8:22am
I liked band of brothers...but IMO, the pacific was so much more emotionally intense and found the bass far better! I will be buying the pacific in BD. Probably one of my favorite war movies. Even had some romance for the wife. I agree...awsome sound mixing...some of those battle scenes were CRAZY good!
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post #1614 of 8203
11/3/11 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

...We can turn up the LFE and makes things perfect!!! If the LFE is low so be it, rate it 3 stars but don't watch it that way, turn it up or do whatever to make it sound good to you. Lets not forget the reason we are in this hobby, we enjoy movies and movies with great sound with bass... I watched it with my kids the other day at -10MV but for fun ran the LFE +10 so the LFE was at reference still... Anyways, CA has lots of bass, turn it up and enjoy!!!!

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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

I guess my thought was, if we crank the LFE up when we feel like it on certain movies, then what's the point of doing a serious calibration at all? We should just forget all the room eq stuff and just do what sounds good to us. Or is that a simplistic view of things...

I can argue both sides of this argument. On the one hand, I am a firm believer in using your own ear, so start off with calibration, then tweak to your own taste after. However, on the other hand, since every artist mixes with their own ear and taste, it is a lot of effort to continually re-tweak for each movie/song/whatever. So I do my final tweaking on stuff that I am very familiar with, and then I tend to leave it alone after that. Not to mention I do not like tweaking during a movie. It is annoying to the family, and takes me out of the moment of the movie.

But that is where this thread comes into play. I have not watched Captain America at home yet, and when I do, I will know ahead of time that I probably want to crank the bass up by 3 or maybe even 6 db. Then put it back to my norm afterwards.

So, I would like to take a moment to thank all of you guys that contribute to the thread with your expert opinions. You may not realize it, but your reviews and insight actually helps others like me get more out of our own listening experiences.
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post #1615 of 8203
11/3/11 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by [KYA]Mega View Post

I can argue both sides of this argument. On the one hand, I am a firm believer in using your own ear, so start off with calibration, then tweak to your own taste after. However, on the other hand, since every artist mixes with their own ear and taste, it is a lot of effort to continually re-tweak for each movie/song/whatever. So I do my final tweaking on stuff that I am very familiar with, and then I tend to leave it alone after that. Not to mention I do not like tweaking during a movie. It is annoying to the family, and takes me out of the moment of the movie.

But that is where this thread comes into play. I have not watched Captain America at home yet, and when I do, I will know ahead of time that I probably want to crank the bass up by 3 or maybe even 6 db. Then put it back to my norm afterwards.

So, I would like to take a moment to thank all of you guys that contribute to the thread with your expert opinions. You may not realize it, but your reviews and insight actually helps others like me get more out of our own listening experiences.

Oh now your just sucking up

On another note. I am going to be getting the Star Wars Complete Saga on Blu-Ray in the mail today or tomorrow. I may watch just Episode one at first since I plan to get some friends together and do a Star Wars Marathon on Saturday. To be honest I am really looking forward to 13.41666... hours of viewing pleasure. (yes i am aware of the changes made and aware it is not the uber transfer from 35mm film and all that Jazz, but I can only get what is available and love Star Wars enough that I can deal with the minor changes) If I remember correctly, it has received great praises for audio quality, even if the Bass may be lacking a bit.
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post #1616 of 8203
11/3/11 at 4:12pm
If you want the closest thing to the originals in pseudo-HD:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/top...t/topic/12713/

I have seen all 3, and though some of it is blatantly upconverted 480p, It is VERY well done, all by an amateur! The color correction is great, and the soundtracks are well done as well.

JSS
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post #1617 of 8203
11/3/11 at 8:34pm
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Originally Posted by raistline View Post


If I remember correctly, it has received great praises for audio quality, even if the Bass may be lacking a bit.


Hey dont know where you are getting the info on lacking bass, all 6 episodes have amazing LF. Enjoy the marathon!
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post #1618 of 8203
11/4/11 at 11:42am
Anyone seen Kung Fu Panda 2 (KFC2) yet?, just watched the br version with Dolby TrueHD 7.1 on it,but couldnt crank the volume due to neighbours anger management,found some scenes with possible "angry grinn smile" you know,skidooshh
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post #1619 of 8203
11/4/11 at 10:10pm
Speaking of IMAX, the top theater in the US is opening their new $10M IMAX in one month! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdY-rA8C_QM
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post #1620 of 8203
11/5/11 at 10:14am
Just watched the new Conan. Had some scenes with serious bass.
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