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post #1921 of 8734
11/30/11 at 11:45pm
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

You could always start a Master List Of TREBLE in Movies With Frequency Charts thread and let me know how that turns out.

Calling the scene Colossal is stretching it 'til the lens cracks. And, to remind you, the movie was 110 more minutes than the train wreck. When the military was tanking through the town, being obliterated by homing missiles, the sound (and video) was like a home movie.

Bosso



Tee hee, you mean it is related to the title and plot and style of the movie?

Maybe you should make a movie called Super Bass Ass BossoBass!


http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...IEWS/110609989


"All the same, "Super 8" is a wonderful film, nostalgia not for a time but for a style of filmmaking, when shell-shocked young audiences were told a story and not pounded over the head with aggressive action. Abrams treats early adolescence with tenderness and affection. He uses his camera to accumulate emotion. He has the rural town locations right."
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post #1922 of 8734
12/1/11 at 7:30am
hey guys what about the IMAX shuttle launch?
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post #1923 of 8734
12/1/11 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by frankie2075 View Post

hey guys what about the IMAX shuttle launch?

I don't know about that one, but the shuttle launch in the IMAX Hubble movie is very impressive.
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post #1924 of 8734
12/1/11 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Wolf View Post

Narnia 3 - don't know how this hasn't been waterfalled yet, but I'll get a few tomorrow hopefully. Easy 4.5 stars on this one, particularly the storm at sea, dragon attack, and sea monster scenes. Made good use of the tapped horns.

I bought the BR+DVD combo pack, so I'll be yanking the waterfalls off the DVD copy's Dolby Digital. Hope it's not too much different from the DTS-MA LFE.

There's some good stuff in that movie. Lot's of scenes where the lows make me smile.
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post #1925 of 8734
12/1/11 at 1:23pm
The Chronicles of Narnia - Voyage of the Dawn Treader - DVD, Dolby Digital

Audio ripped and processed right off the DVD via Hypercube, as usual. Playback and capture via the Behringer UCA222. 80Hz bass redirection in effect.

Extension to below 5Hz, but not too much quantity that low. Most of it is 10Hz and up. Definitely four and a half stars. The sound mixers did a great job on this one. Wish I could see if the DTS-MA audio adds even more below 10Hz, but I'm just not set up for it.

Stormy weather at sea:





Dragon attack:







Sea serpent attack:











The scene was not over when I shut things down, but the sea serpent attack goes on for ages and it's all like the above shots.
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post #1926 of 8734
12/1/11 at 4:48pm
^ The entire track on that movie is top notch.
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post #1927 of 8734
12/1/11 at 5:13pm
I watched Conan last night DTS master 7.1, there were definitely house shaking moments! I would like to know how low those moment actually were?
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post #1928 of 8734
12/1/11 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Bosso -- I agree that Battle LA's LFE was spectacular and that Super 8's was not. As noted in an earlier post, though, thought the overall sound design of Super 8 was excellent, which made its inadequate low end even more frustrating and disappointing.

This is spot on. Doesn't mean Super 8 did not have good or enjoyable audio, just that the LFE was lower than you would expect, or get, in a comparable level movie.

Battle LA is a blast and seems appropriate to the action on screen. Need to check that out again.
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post #1929 of 8734
12/1/11 at 9:06pm
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

Did you check on what Dialnorm value was used on each track? Bluray DTS can also use Dialnorm, so you have to check DTS on Bluray these days just in case Dialnorm was used.

On the Region1 WOTW DVD, the DTS track plays back 8 dB (DN = -23) louder than the DD track due to the use of Dialnorm. Which track plays back at "reference level"?

No dialnorm in dts hd ma track, dolby tracks are -4db dialnorm value in that disk. And speaking of dolby versions of wotw, it's little different in low end spectrum than dts version actually.

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Originally Posted by Flageborg View Post

Yes I do...

But first you may have a look at an analysis performed almost 4 years ago...
DVD version - Dolby sound track





And now the Bluray version


But, that looks like you have uk blu-ray which have PCM 5.1, scandinavian have dts hd ma 7.1. Well i think i will got the uk blu-ray for the extras anyway.

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Originally Posted by ken wu View Post

I took some time comparing SPR BD with DVD, placing the speclab results here.

The captures for the BD (DTS core) I made were set at volume 15 on pre-pro, 0-120Hz (SW output) and 200-2kHz (Center channel output) respectively.

As for R1 dvd (DD only) I took 3 captures for volume 15, 16, 17 for 0-120Hz and another 3 caps for 200-2kHz.

I'm not sure if dialnorm was applied, from the captures I notice some soundtrack discrepancies between BD and DVD, although they don't seem to be caused simply by level difference, the bass for the DVD has bumped prominently as I see (and hear) it.

Well again my blu-ray have better bass than my r2 dvd and it have bigger amplitude than dvd with same volume level and even lower bass than that dvd.,but it looks to be same as your blu-ray.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...Dtankscene.jpg
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Originally Posted by dominguez1 View Post

Just watched Hanna...holy !!!!

One of the most memorable scenes for me lasted about 3 seconds. It was the scene in the beginning (after she turns on the homing beacon IIRC) where the father is reading Hanna the story about the dog that went to outerspace. When they turn the page to the picture of the moon, for a few seconds I couldn't 'hear' anything...except my HT door shaking, and I believe I got that ear popping sensation...

Anyone care to SpecLab that one?

That was 20hz.

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Originally Posted by milkfat View Post


Has anyone considered that real-life trains are full of ear-splitting higher-than-bass frequencies? On a nearly daily basis I stand within 10ft of freight trains going ~45-50mph, and except for the locomotive there isn't really much bass to be had (or at least it is vastly overpowered by the higher frequencies). The clacking, the screeching, the rattling of sheet metal; I can imagine an epic train crash such as this being likened to an epic giant drummer tossing about his epic giant cymbals. Sad to say, but the VLF guys are going to be left out if the audio engineers are aiming for realism.

Whaat, real life big trains have toons of lfe, you newer noticed that the ground shakes/vibrates when they pass near of you and if some heavy cargo drops from somewhere in 20 meters in near of you it should and it do some serious shockwave that make you loose your balance and make you fall in your knees.

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post


Often I think, as you do, that the bass has been put in there 'just because they can'. I've never heard car doors slam in such a way they shake the surrounding buildings for instance

Try some fun and go your car and sit in front seat and ask someone to hit backdoor shut with full force, its quite experience and nice pressure wave you got right there.

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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Exactly and for those playing the home game, one would notice that in each post I've ever mentioned the BD of M&C I've mentioned how much better the lossless DTS-MA is over the lossy stuff on disc. If the bass had not had it's balls cut off, it would be perfect.

Hmm, weird that you say that because that dd french track have even lower and stronger bass than dvd dts track, though dts hd ma(core) sounds little more open(i only quickly compared them in some scenes). What else i found in region b blu-ray it have dts spain track and wow what a cannons shot this audio track have...totally nuts(i think it have same low end than french dolby track in region a blu-ray)... maybe flageborg can light us and give us some comparisons.

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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

I'll just say that if there is a problem it's definitely software related. And then there is the French dubbed version on the BR, which has what appears to be a completely different 3rd audio version.

It would be great if Roger could post his in-room FR. Then we might get to the crux of his "better" comment. Otherwise, it's nothing more than a subjective review.

Bosso

You may have null in your room in that 60-80hz area, if those are from mic from listening position charts. I have noticed this in your other charts too. You should post only right from the disk charts..just saying

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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

Was not expecting that bass in Hanna when the house gets raided lol

Yep, it was loud 48-60hz bass, i was what fuuk just happened my ears. Needed to blow them open with pushing my nose and hmmm... yeah like that.

New conan have very low bass to single digs. This is for sure 4.5 star movie, sadly it sucked other way. Rent it only.
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post #1930 of 8734
12/1/11 at 9:56pm
Right. I found the overall SQ of the DTS-MA English track to sound the best but the bass was lacking.
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post #1931 of 8734
12/2/11 at 3:43am
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Originally Posted by lfe man View Post

No dialnorm in dts hd ma track, dolby tracks are -4db dialnorm value in that disk. And speaking of dolby versions of wotw, it's little different in low end spectrum than dts version actually.



If you have a dialnorm readout in your receiver, it reads the dialnorm value direct between -31 (no dialnorm) and 0 (full dialnorm reduction).

Since your display reads as -4dB, that means your receiver calculates something called dialnorm offset. Dialnorm Offset calculates the amount of volume reduction based on a typical movie dialnorm value of -27. The THX Dialnorm Offset formula is (-27 dB minus Dialnorm value = Dialnorm Offset).

A dialnorm value of -27 shows a dialnorm offset of 0 dB (-27 - (-27) = 0).

A dialnorm value of -31 shows a dialnorm value of +4 dB (-27 - (-31) = +4).

A dialnorm value of -23 shows a dialnorm value of -4 dB (-27 - (-23) = -4).

Your WOTW DD dialnorm value should be -23, which gives you 8 dB of volume reduction as compared with the Dolby standard. The Dialnorm Offset reading of -4 dB means the Dialnorm value is 4 dB lower than the typical -27 Dialnorm value used at encoding.
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post #1932 of 8734
12/2/11 at 4:55am
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Originally Posted by lfe man View Post

You may have null in your room in that 60-80hz area, if those are from mic from listening position charts. I have noticed this in your other charts too. You should post only right from the disk charts..just saying

Depends on where I set the mic.



These days I just set the mic on the floor next to me as I watch a movie. Even that is a huge effort, and, believe me, a dip in response at the mic at 73 Hz has NOTHING to do with what I heard in S-8 at the LP or the track in general.

No way I give up the sweet spot for this thread. Of course no in-room FR is perfectly flat to 2 Hz so you can see minor omissions, dips and peaks if you study the comparos, but I've been through this before with other nit pickers.

I could instead just post no charts and pick at your preference for settings of your right to disc charts.

Bosso
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post #1933 of 8734
12/2/11 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by lfe man View Post



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Originally Posted by ken wu
I took some time comparing SPR BD with DVD, placing the speclab results here.

The captures for the BD (DTS core) I made were set at volume 15 on pre-pro, 0-120Hz (SW output) and 200-2kHz (Center channel output) respectively.

As for R1 dvd (DD only) I took 3 captures for volume 15, 16, 17 for 0-120Hz and another 3 caps for 200-2kHz.

I'm not sure if dialnorm was applied, from the captures I notice some soundtrack discrepancies between BD and DVD, although they don't seem to be caused simply by level difference, the bass for the DVD has bumped prominently as I see (and hear) it.

Well again my blu-ray have better bass than my r2 dvd and it have bigger amplitude than dvd with same volume level and even lower bass than that dvd.,but it looks to be same as your blu-ray.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...Dtankscene.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...etankscene.jpg

Thanks for your reply and captures.
By adjusting and matching the level and color palette settings,I guess it's safe to say that we could compare the graphs on a closer basis.
Now if we can come up with a methodology on this..
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post #1934 of 8734
12/2/11 at 9:44am
Uh oh, did bosso just say he is miking the room in his charts?
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post #1935 of 8734
12/2/11 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by SbWillie View Post

Uh oh, did bosso just say he is miking the room in his charts?

He has been doing that for some time now. That's how freakin' awesome his subs are. It's been brought up a few times somewhere around these parts. Might have to dig around for more on that though.
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post #1936 of 8734
12/2/11 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

He has been doing that for some time now. That's how freakin' awesome his subs are. It's been brought up a few times somewhere around these parts. Might have to dig around for more on that though.

Sorry, I just started having flashbacks of massive screenshots with Left rear near side upper middle channel bass graphs!
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post #1937 of 8734
12/2/11 at 2:05pm
I miss that JBLPRO4648 guy.
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post #1938 of 8734
12/2/11 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post


I miss that JBLPRO4648 guy.

What about him?
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post #1939 of 8734
12/2/11 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

I miss that JBLPRO4648 guy.

He was....dedicated.
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post #1940 of 8734
12/2/11 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by lfe man View Post

Whaat, real life big trains have toons of lfe, you newer noticed that the ground shakes/vibrates when they pass near of you and if some heavy cargo drops from somewhere in 20 meters in near of you it should and it do some serious shockwave that make you loose your balance and make you fall in your knees.

Ha ha ha! Are you standing on Jello? I admit, you may be knocked over if you are standing on a huge Jello platform and there is a heavy cargo impact within 20 meters of you.

Otherwise, trains are plug-your-ears annoying... not cuddly, lovey, warm, bass blankets... except for maybe that one in The Polar Express. I seem to remember that one in Unstoppable sounding pretty cool too.
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post #1941 of 8734
12/2/11 at 8:32pm
Super 8 Blu-ray

Request: Could one of you waterfall gurus please post a graph of the scene when the creature knocks over the military bus with the kids locked in the back. That scene was (among others) absolutely brutal, at least in terms of amplitude. I watched it at -11 reference. My software isn't working for me right now. - Thanks

Time counter: 1:22.02 - 1:22:12
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post #1942 of 8734
12/3/11 at 7:17am
Where can I find a guide on how to do these waterfall plots for blu-ray movies? I need to do them without the help of a receiver, external soundcard or mic. Just using a computer with a blu-ray player and the necessary software.
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post #1943 of 8734
12/3/11 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by milkfat View Post

Otherwise, trains are plug-your-ears annoying... not cuddly, lovey, warm, bass blankets... except for maybe that one in The Polar Express. I seem to remember that one in Unstoppable sounding pretty cool too.

Bummer, you've never had the pleasure....

As an individual that's been involved in making hi-fidelity, two channel recordings of locomotives of all types since the 70's, I'd have to have strongly disagree with your post. I've made environmental recordings of many things loud and deep, nothing I record pushes the limits of extension like trains. Even today, the LF from an occasional train on a CSX line, .9 miles from my property, supports my contention. Whether one's right next to the tracks, or .9 miles away, the spectral content of a passing locomotive is weighted strongly toward the bottom octaves.

Oddly, I believe I've only taken in Unstoppable at the theater, which resulted in the ubiquitous JBL mid-bass spectacular.


Thanks
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post #1944 of 8734
12/3/11 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

He was....dedicated.

Think I just blew a little coffee out my nose reading this........

Dedicated.................he was.
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post #1945 of 8734
12/3/11 at 11:51am
I wonder how the bass looks like in Sunshine. Saw the film awhile ago and really enjoyed it.
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post #1946 of 8734
12/3/11 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

I wonder how the bass looks like in Sunshine. Saw the film awhile ago and really enjoyed it.

Don't remember how it looks, but it sounds damn impressive. There's some body pounding scenes in that one.
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post #1947 of 8734
12/4/11 at 4:45am
Smurfs had a few moments! LOL. And there was a trailer for the new movie "The Pirates" by the folks that did Wallace and Gromit. That trailer has a moment in it that shook my room to the likes of Cloverfield and Hulk. May be promising!
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post #1948 of 8734
12/4/11 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Wolf View Post


Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass:
How about Master and Commander Bluray version. Some well regarded people say it is better than the DVD version!


Funny this one should come up again. I have the DVD, but had somehow never gotten around to watching it since I got serious about LFE. Hadn't seen it since before even the LLT came and went. Ran it last night, and the cannons through the tapped horns had my hair moving. Very few movies do that unless I crank the LFE to unreasonable levels.

Judging from the reports, I'd be very disappointed with the Blu-Ray. Then again, not too many people without subs like ours can tell there's extension missing.

Yes, just like "something" missing...?!

Just curious....wonder who those "well regarded people" are....?
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post #1949 of 8734
12/4/11 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Smurfs had a few moments! LOL. And there was a trailer for the new movie "The Pirates" by the folks that did Wallace and Gromit. That trailer has a moment in it that shook my room to the likes of Cloverfield and Hulk. May be promising!

Do you happen toknow what scene theyare? I dont think i can watch the full movie haha
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post #1950 of 8734
12/4/11 at 5:36pm
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Yes, just like "something" missing...?!

Just curious....wonder who those "well regarded people" are....?

Roger Dressler was the specific person In this case.
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