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post #1951 of 8214
12/4/11 at 8:56pm
Just watched 5 Days Of War. You want bass? The True HD sound track rivals films like Saving Private Ryan. Excellent surround and depth. My small den was shaking during the bombing attacks. Loved the tank scenes, especially when they were moving. Beware, lots of blood, but a good movie with a sensitive and very compelling story line.


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post #1952 of 8214
12/4/11 at 10:48pm
Was watching cowboys and aliens and WOW. the attack scene gee
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post #1953 of 8214
12/5/11 at 2:31am
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post


Roger Dressler was the specific person In this case.

Very interesting conclusion he has....
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post


I have both the DVD and the BD. The BD is indeed stunning. Very few systems can reveal the difference in the bass. Mine can, but the DVD is no fun to watch after the BD.


Master & Commander in the DVD/DTS-version has one of the best soundtracks so far....

What about the Bluray-version?

I had to re-capture the soundtracks from both DVD and BD to find out.

Please find enclosed three graphs from Master & Commander - 3 different soundtracks - and the question is WHY?


Master & Commander - DVD/DTS - English
(First sequence in this graph is THXplode intro...)






Master & Commander - BD/DTS HD Master - English






Master & Commander - BD/DTS 5.1 - Castellano

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post #1954 of 8214
12/5/11 at 9:17am
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I had to re-capture the soundtracks from both DVD and BD to find out.


What country is each DVD and Blu-ray from?

Also, by 'Castellano', do you mean that the third measurement was taken from the Spanish language track from the Blu-ray?

Thanks
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post #1955 of 8214
12/5/11 at 10:23am
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What country is each DVD and Blu-ray from?

Also, by 'Castellano', do you mean that the third measurement was taken from the Spanish language track from the Blu-ray?

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Both DVD and Bluray are from Norwegian versions.

Yes, Castellano = Spanish soundtrack
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post #1956 of 8214
12/5/11 at 11:01am
I'm only seeing three red x's.
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post #1957 of 8214
12/5/11 at 1:12pm
Does the english version of the Bluray contain that spanish mix as it is by far the best bass of the three!! I will buy it just to demo that scene in spanish for that bass!!
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post #1958 of 8214
12/5/11 at 1:26pm
Anyone catch the new DTS HD-MA intro clip on the Conan Bluray? I didn't have it turned up very high but it was still pretty impressive.
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post #1959 of 8214
12/5/11 at 2:27pm
Yikes! I want the bass from the Spanish audio track.
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post #1960 of 8214
12/5/11 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by Flageborg View Post

Very interesting conclusion he has....


Master & Commander in the DVD/DTS-version has one of the best soundtracks so far....

What about the Bluray-version?

I had to re-capture the soundtracks from both DVD and BD to find out.

Please find enclosed three graphs from Master & Commander - 3 different soundtracks - and the question is WHY?



If you have time, could you turn off bass management and only show the LFE channel output?

One waterfall for the DVD.

One waterfall for the Bluray English version.


Also, I am having trouble getting all three of your waterfalls to display. I keep getting half charts along with some full charts. Can you size the charts for a 17" screen? I can do that resize at Photobucket.
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post #1961 of 8214
12/5/11 at 2:58pm
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Yikes! I want the bass from the Spanish audio track.


Just turn on the English subtitles and then you are all set!
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post #1962 of 8214
12/5/11 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

Just turn on the English subtitles and then you are all set!

Lol, I would have tried that with the French track that is on the Blu-ray. For whatever reason, that track has more deep bass but the overall fidelity didn't seem as good to me. Though that was a lossy DD 5.1 track and not DTS-MA. I usually find 640k tracks to sound okay enough but I felt that it sounded flat and tinny. Very frustrating. Glad M&C isn't one of my favorite movies.
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post #1963 of 8214
12/5/11 at 9:00pm
Maybe you guys should try some of the independent films like the one I mentioned earlier. They actually have very good sound.


Ian
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post #1964 of 8214
12/5/11 at 9:08pm
I basically ripped M&C bluray and merged it with the DVD track. Pretty pleased
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post #1965 of 8214
12/5/11 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

If you have a dialnorm readout in your receiver, it reads the dialnorm value direct between -31 (no dialnorm) and 0 (full dialnorm reduction).

Since your display reads as -4dB, that means your receiver calculates something called dialnorm offset. Dialnorm Offset calculates the amount of volume reduction based on a typical movie dialnorm value of -27. The THX Dialnorm Offset formula is (-27 dB minus Dialnorm value = Dialnorm Offset).

A dialnorm value of -27 shows a dialnorm offset of 0 dB (-27 - (-27) = 0).

A dialnorm value of -31 shows a dialnorm value of +4 dB (-27 - (-31) = +4).

A dialnorm value of -23 shows a dialnorm value of -4 dB (-27 - (-23) = -4).

Your WOTW DD dialnorm value should be -23, which gives you 8 dB of volume reduction as compared with the Dolby standard. The Dialnorm Offset reading of -4 dB means the Dialnorm value is 4 dB lower than the typical -27 Dialnorm value used at encoding.

My receiver don't have dn value ability, i just got the information from here.

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich..._of_the_worlds

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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

Depends on where I set the mic.



These days I just set the mic on the floor next to me as I watch a movie. Even that is a huge effort, and, believe me, a dip in response at the mic at 73 Hz has NOTHING to do with what I heard in S-8 at the LP or the track in general.

No way I give up the sweet spot for this thread. Of course no in-room FR is perfectly flat to 2 Hz so you can see minor omissions, dips and peaks if you study the comparos, but I've been through this before with other nit pickers.

I could instead just post no charts and pick at your preference for settings of your right to disc charts.

Bosso

Ok, i understand. Keep the good work up bosso and thanks for your contributions.

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Otherwise, trains are plug-your-ears annoying... not cuddly, lovey, warm, bass blankets...

No boomy boom boom bass?

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Originally Posted by Steveo1234 View Post

Where can I find a guide on how to do these waterfall plots for blu-ray movies? I need to do them without the help of a receiver, external soundcard or mic. Just using a computer with a blu-ray player and the necessary software.

You need spectrum lab software.

http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html

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Originally Posted by FOH View Post

Bummer, you've never had the pleasure....

As an individual that's been involved in making hi-fidelity, two channel recordings of locomotives of all types since the 70's, I'd have to have strongly disagree with your post. I've made environmental recordings of many things loud and deep, nothing I record pushes the limits of extension like trains. Even today, the LF from an occasional train on a CSX line, .9 miles from my property, supports my contention. Whether one's right next to the tracks, or .9 miles away, the spectral content of a passing locomotive is weighted strongly toward the bottom octaves.

Oddly, I believe I've only taken in Unstoppable at the theater, which resulted in the ubiquitous JBL mid-bass spectacular.


Thanks

Yep, those danley train demo tracks should proof something and be pretty bassy in low end... i have not yet listened them(just dl them), but fireworks track was fun...the last big shells...holy crap.

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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

Don't remember how it looks, but it sounds damn impressive. There's some body pounding scenes in that one.

There is lotsa ulf bass in that movie, but the dvd DD track what i have now sounds...not very good in higher area(was it the last chapter were they are inside in sun).

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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Does the english version of the Bluray contain that spanish mix as it is by far the best bass of the three!! I will buy it just to demo that scene in spanish for that bass!!

It's only in region b blu-rays that spain dts track, but if you can play b blu-rays...go a head, it's worthy every penny and i think the end battle was even crazier than that first one(at least it feels like it).

Edit: just found that region a blu-ray have that spain track too, but its only in dolby digital form.
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post #1966 of 8214
12/6/11 at 3:21am
I was wondering if there's someone here who
- can reproduce seriously low frequencies
- can reproduce at reference level without distortion and compression
- is able to do real-time monitoring of the power consumption of the complete audio system

and who would be willing to post some reference-level power consumption numbers for some of the most demanding scenes documented here?

(Of course, we would need efficiency numbers, speaker distances, room size, and similar, too.)

It could be interesting ...
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post #1967 of 8214
12/6/11 at 4:43am
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Originally Posted by lfe man View Post

You need spectrum lab software.

http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html


Well, yes, I know. But, I have no idea how to get SpecLab to analyze the audio of a blu-ray disk, or any other format. There doesnt seem to be any way to select an input that makes speclab monitor the HDMI-audio. Atleast not one that I found.

EDIT: I can get it working for cd-records ripped to .wav-format. No luck with anything else though.
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post #1968 of 8214
12/6/11 at 8:55am
IMAX: Hubble 3D Blu-ray
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post #1969 of 8214
12/6/11 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

Maybe you guys should try some of the independent films like the one I mentioned earlier. They actually have very good sound.

Ian

Lol! One day has gone by since you mentioned it. Give me a chance and maybe I'll get to it.


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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

I basically ripped M&C bluray and merged it with the DVD track. Pretty pleased

Hey! Quit holdin' out on us, man!

No really... gimme!


Well, I'd prefer the DTS-MA track.... in a corrected form.
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post #1970 of 8214
12/6/11 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Lol! One day has gone by since you mentioned it. Give me a chance and maybe I'll get to it.

Thanks Scott. The point I was making was aimed at Independent films, which I would like to see discussed more often on this thread.


Ian
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post #1971 of 8214
12/6/11 at 2:12pm
No worries.
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post #1972 of 8214
12/6/11 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by ReneV View Post

I was wondering if there's someone here who
- can reproduce seriously low frequencies
- can reproduce at reference level without distortion and compression
- is able to do real-time monitoring of the power consumption of the complete audio system

and who would be willing to post some reference-level power consumption numbers for some of the most demanding scenes documented here?

(Of course, we would need efficiency numbers, speaker distances, room size, and similar, too.)

It could be interesting ...

I think this is a very interesting query. It would be quite interesting to see what the power consumption at that type of level would be.

Another thing i usually say is, why the hell do people, such as myself even, worry about having subs if, according to bosso, most of us cannot replicate what information is actually on the disc???? I personally think it would be a pleasure to visit such people like bosso (most interested),MK,Simon,penngray,counsil and the likes to see what an actual movie is "supposed" to feel and sound like because i know my system cannot reproduce the information correctly (by that i mean, cleanly reproduce it at reference) but i still enjoy watching movies on it but then that joy goes when i think that how i am hearing it, it really not what it is supposed to sound like.

Question, once a system can cleaning reproduce everything on a track at reference level, is it fair to say that the system is 100% complete?
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post #1973 of 8214
12/6/11 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Lol! One day has gone by since you mentioned it. Give me a chance and maybe I'll get to it.




Hey! Quit holdin' out on us, man!

No really... gimme!


Well, I'd prefer the DTS-MA track.... in a corrected form.


Hahah why didthey messwith the loseless track
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post #1974 of 8214
12/6/11 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by the_abbot View Post

Watched The Rite tonight. The movie wasn't that great, but it had some crazy bass!

I agree and would vote at least 4 stars for this one.
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post #1975 of 8214
12/7/11 at 2:29am
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Originally Posted by Kimwyn View Post

I think this is a very interesting query. It would be quite interesting to see what the power consumption at that type of level would be.

Another thing i usually say is, why the hell do people, such as myself even, worry about having subs if, according to bosso, most of us cannot replicate what information is actually on the disc???? I personally think it would be a pleasure to visit such people like bosso (most interested),MK,Simon,penngray,counsil and the likes to see what an actual movie is "supposed" to feel and sound like because i know my system cannot reproduce the information correctly (by that i mean, cleanly reproduce it at reference) but i still enjoy watching movies on it but then that joy goes when i think that how i am hearing it, it really not what it is supposed to sound like.

Question, once a system can cleaning reproduce everything on a track at reference level, is it fair to say that the system is 100% complete?

A system is complete when you are happy with it.

According to FilmMixer, most mixing stages can only reproduce to the low teens in Hz, and nearly every theater cannot reproduce below 20-25Hz. So the "artist's intent" is kind of a moving target....

Yes, a bosso type system is the goal. Reproduce everything on the disc, without distortion or compression, with a flat frequency response for all listeners from 3Hz to 20kHz. Pretty lofty goal.

JSS
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post #1976 of 8214
12/7/11 at 9:27am
Have any of you seen the new prequel Neverland? In the second half of the movie has the most LFE of any made for tv movie I have ever heard. Not that it knocks pictures off the wall but impressive for a tv show.
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post #1977 of 8214
12/7/11 at 7:07pm
watched Warrior's Way tonight
tons of slam and extension in the fight scenes
worth checking out
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post #1978 of 8214
12/7/11 at 7:44pm
I would like to extract special effect portion of movies. I have dvdfab. I never tried extracting before. Is dvdfab good for this? I believe I should use blu-ray ripper. It seems it supports to extract as MKV, M2TS and vob. Not sure which one is good

What is the best software and best way and format to clip portions of blu-ray without loosing quality of audo or video.

Thanks,
sukumar
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post #1979 of 8214
12/8/11 at 9:21pm
No activity Where did everybody go yesterday?



Ian
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post #1980 of 8214
12/9/11 at 4:30am
X-Men First Class

Scene 19: Magneto - turning satellite dish
Scene 26: Magneto - rise of the sub

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