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Originally Posted by sputter1 View Post


Oh great, another film that will make my wife crush my hand.

#2 had some good bass too,
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The Fast & The Furious: Tokyo Drift (Chapter 15)

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Flageborg: Everyone appreciates your effort, but you're still clipping most of the time. It makes your graphs worthless.
post #2344 of 16113
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

Flageborg: Everyone appreciates your effort, but you're still clipping most of the time. It makes your graphs worthless.



Flageborg is not clipping his soundcard. He never hits 100% on the amplitude graph.
post #2345 of 16113
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

Flageborg: Everyone appreciates your effort, but you're still clipping most of the time. It makes your graphs worthless.

Lol, I was gonna say... I can't even see the pic. Most of the time his pictures don't load past the first 1/4 of the picture. Then after a day or so the picture loads fine. So it's 'clipped' but this time not in level related sense. Just actually 'clipped off'.
post #2346 of 16113
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post


Lol, I was gonna say... I can't even see the pic. Most of the time his pictures don't load past the first 1/4 of the picture.

Just curious.....at what internet-connection speed are you having this "download" problem?
Picture size is about 700KB.
The server is located in Norway and I don't experience any problems here with my 20/20Mbit/s internet-connection.
post #2347 of 16113
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

Flageborg is not clipping his soundcard. He never hits 100% on the amplitude graph.

But everything looks like a loudness war era CD - - no dynamics at all, and the little green line above the waterfall appears to go off the charts repeatedly. IDK the system, but have toyed with getting it, but those (forgive me, they look like .wav graphs) look like a hard limited/digitally clipped track turned down 2 dB rather than the kind of highly dynamic (lots of low levels mixed in with the higher levels) waveforms I'm used to seeing for movies. IDK what it means, but it does seem curious.
post #2348 of 16113
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Originally Posted by Flageborg View Post

Just curious.....at what internet-connection speed are you having this "download" problem?
Picture size is about 700KB.
The server is located in Norway and I don't experience any problems here with my 20/20Mbit/s internet-connection.

I'm at work at the moment which has a very crappy DSL connection. However, I get EVERYTHING ANYWHERE just fine. Just....slow. You're the only person who posts pics where the image just stops about 1/4 down. So I get just a cut 'top' of the picture. Usually a few days after you have posted it, it clears up, so I haven't brought it up. This happens at my home too where I have a very fast cable connection.

No worries, just commenting on it.

The one second of the very top of that graph looks pretty good though! Deep extension there.
post #2349 of 16113
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Originally Posted by JHAz View Post


But everything looks like a loudness war era CD - - no dynamics at all,
....(forgive me, they look like .wav graphs)

Maybe this example of .wav graphs with a lot of known dynamics can help?


André Previn & The Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra - Telarc Sampler 5 - 13 - Also sprach Zarathustra, excerpt

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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post


No worries, just commenting on it.

The one second of the very top of that graph looks pretty good though! Deep extension there.

Thank you

I am using Google Chrome - and it makes a big difference on my computers.
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Ah... now your F&F Tokyo Drift graph comes up perfectly. Your new Telarc one? Cut off.

Wow! Nice 5hz extension on Tokyo Drift. Sweet.
post #2352 of 16113
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

Flageborg: Everyone appreciates your effort, but you're still clipping most of the time. It makes your graphs worthless.

right click, show picture
post #2353 of 16113
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai View Post

right click, show picture

Nube was talking about Flageborg's signal clipping, not the picture itself. His most recent graphs have been free of overloaded input, as far as I can tell. I think I'm the only one mentioning the picture being incomplete was me but the issue fixes itself over time anyway so I'm not too bothered.

However, the 'show picture' method does not work. The browser sees the incomplete picture as fully loaded. No amount of refreshes ever fixes it. Thanks anyway.
post #2354 of 16113
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

His most recent graphs have been free of overloaded input, as far as I can tell.

So you are saying those samples have some content at 1 Hz?
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I could be completely off here, but when looking at SpecLab's documentation and user discussion groups, it sure sounds like anytime you can draw a ruler-straight line down the peaks of the right side of these graphs and have 25% (or more) of peaks end at this line, you have clipping taking place somewhere in the signal chain. Every one of Flageborg's much-appreciated graphs exhibit this tendency, and it manifests itself by showing up as more and higher level content than actually exists in the media selection. Nobody else's graphs do this, even on the same material/scenes.
post #2356 of 16113
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

So you are saying those samples have some content at 1 Hz?

Which one?

And some stuff does have content there. Yup.
post #2357 of 16113
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Originally Posted by Flageborg View Post

Maybe this example of .wav graphs with a lot of known dynamics can help?


André Previn & The Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra - Telarc Sampler 5 - 13 - Also sprach Zarathustra, excerpt

Seems to me the movie clips should look similar, and certainly should not go off the map on the top which I assume shows average and peak values for the relevant frequencies. Like post 2331
post #2358 of 16113
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Originally Posted by Flageborg View Post

Maybe this example of .wav graphs with a lot of known dynamics can help?


André Previn & The Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra - Telarc Sampler 5 - 13 - Also sprach Zarathustra, excerpt



Let's try a comparison of the same content. How about track #3 and # 4 of this CD sample from Amazon. Leave the volume control located up on top of the Amazon sampler page at full volume.

http://www.amazon.com/Telarc-Sampler...=5336055023-20


Here is my quick waterfall of those two tracks. The right side amplitude graph shows both channels with no compression. 50% is equal to -6 dB FS, and I do not show many peaks above that 50% point with my soundcard settings.

SL scroll speed is set to 140 ms for this sample.




post #2359 of 16113
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

I could be completely off here, but when looking at SpecLab's documentation and user discussion groups, it sure sounds like anytime you can draw a ruler-straight line down the peaks of the right side of these graphs and have 25% (or more) of peaks end at this line, you have clipping taking place somewhere in the signal chain. Every one of Flageborg's much-appreciated graphs exhibit this tendency, and it manifests itself by showing up as more and higher level content than actually exists in the media selection. Nobody else's graphs do this, even on the same material/scenes.


You are not wrong. Volume levels are off somewhere in the PC chain. There are multiple volume level controls that can interact, so a little detective work must be done.

Probably at least too strong a signal level caused by the soundcard record setting. Then a contrast and brightness readjust will be needed after signal levels are lowered.
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post


Let's try a comparison of the same content. How about track #3 and # 4 of this CD sample from Amazon. Leave the volume control located up on top of the Amazon sampler page at full volume.

http://www.amazon.com/Telarc-Sampler...=5336055023-20

Ok, just to confirm the correct track choices...?
#3 Song of the Blacksmith
#4 Conclusion
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Tracks...


LL
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Waterfall...
#3 Song of the Blacksmith
#4 Conclusion


LL
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Underworld Awakening: An IMAX 3D Experience

Just got back from viewing this one, and I believe everyone here will love the bass that I heard unless of course they ruin it on Blu-ray.
Anyway, I loved the entire experience!
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Finally got my hands on Conan... I think I'd be ok with five stars, but only just. No scenes really stood out to me for demo material except the wheel battle. Prefer Drive Angry to this one.

As far as the movie itself, let's just say it sucked the will to live right out of me. This was a rental copy, so tonight is the last night I'll ever see it. Not adding this one to my collection.
post #2365 of 16113
Where has all the deep bass gone, long time passing?
Where has all the deep bass gone, long time ago?
Where has all the deep bass gone?
Gone from Blu-Ray, almost everyone
Oh when will they ever learn?
Oh when will they....ever learn?



Ian
post #2366 of 16113
It is in X:1C, B:LA, T:L......

We also must realize that most cinemas are multiplexes that can not only barely replicate 25-30Hz, but to do so would mean sound leaking into other auditoriums.....I think we will see more films mixed like Thor, than less....

JSS
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Originally Posted by maxmercy View Post

We also must realize that most cinemas are multiplexes that can not only barely replicate 25-30Hz, but to do so would mean sound leaking into other auditoriums.....I think we will see more films mixed like Thor, than less....

My experience at the two large cineplexes I frequently attend has been for loud, low bass tones from adjoining auditoriums to routinely be audible. It happened again yesterday at the AMC Quail Springs Mall cineplex in OKC. I was watching The Artist while Underworld: Awakening was playing in the IMAX 3D theater next door. The bass output from next door was loud enough and happened often enough to be disconcerting. In short, if AMC Quail Springs or the engineers who mix the films they show have been pulling any LFE punches you couldn't prove it by me.
post #2368 of 16113
Watched The Tree of Life last night and it had some surprisingly great LFE moments here and there. This is no WOTW of course, but there are some great LFE spots in this one.

Also watched Elektra a few days ago or so and it was a very good LFE track. Certainly not up to par with the big boys IMO, but it was well worth a rent for a good LFE fix (thanks OW!). I would give a solid 4 on this one. Having said that, I thought the movie itself was absolutely horrible......glad I rented!

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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Wolf View Post

Finally got my hands on Conan... I think I'd be ok with five stars, but only just. No scenes really stood out to me for demo material except the wheel battle.

I felt the same way about Conan. I could go 5 on this one, but just barely. Great overall LFE track though as there is tons of it.
post #2369 of 16113
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Having said that, I thought the movie itself was absolutely horrible......glad I rented!

Heh - there's a good reason why I found it in the five dollar Blu-Ray bin
post #2370 of 16113
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Originally Posted by Flageborg View Post

Waterfall...
#3 Song of the Blacksmith
#4 Conclusion






Those are the correct tracks.

You should turn down the record volume level on your sound mixer to get your amplitude graph peaks near 50% (down 6 dB FS). Then fine tune the SL brightness & contrast to make your waterfalls look the way that you want them to look.

Not sure if that clipping will affect the waterfall in that you use the internal PC bluray player to play your content.
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